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My wife and I just finished a very long bike ride and our daughter joined us for the final 6 months of it and all three of us just wore underwear. We personally know of another young lady that spent over 3 years solo and all she wore was underwear too. 

Gear Talk / Re: Touring Bike Selection
« on: July 16, 2015, 07:51:47 am »
Thanks for the plug for Stan's. I appreciate real world feedback.
As for the fenders, I'm going to give it a try. I'll buy from a shop with a liberal return policy in case they don't work.


One downside with using Stan's and low tire pressure would be hitting a bump and causing the tire to "burp". Breaking the seal/bead on the tire and rim. This only seemed to happen to the guys running very low pressures out on the MTB trails and hitting a lot of roots or taking a turn to fast (this shouldn't be an issue fully loaded ;-)); otherwise, the stuff works great. i hope this makes sense what I am trying to explain.

Gear Talk / Re: Gearing for Touring Bike
« on: July 15, 2015, 07:25:54 pm »
Seem you left that word out of your earlier posting.

Yeah I did that intentionally. It was suppose to be more of a silly (not to taken seriously) response. Everyone else is listing measurements or 44,32,22 X 11-44 combos, so I thought I would just throw out our simple combo of 38x17 out there. However, I did not expect the... "Tour de France guys can't do it, then no one can..." blah blah blah comment! Hence my follow up being even more sarcastic. Whatever! I try to occasionally come on here and offer up some of the things that have worked for us in real world touring experiences and not what is spoon fed to me via magazine articles and I also like to have a little fun. 

Gear Talk / Re: Touring Bike Selection
« on: July 15, 2015, 07:06:33 pm »
8) I'm planning to put fenders on my bike and convert the MSO tires to tubeless.
I currently have tubes installed. Running 30 psi front and 35 rear unloaded. They are very nice on hard packed gravel.


Sounds great, please let us know how this works out. With our 26" 2.0 tires unloaded we would run low like that too, but when loaded up we would be around 50psi and this still provided some cushion. Whereas on our other touring bikes with the 700x35, we would have to run them a little harder and you could feel it on the road and this partially why we went with 26" so we could have fatter tires and lower PSI. The thought of going tubeless with STANS liquid has crossed my mind a couple times too. On my XC racing machines I've been using STANS since about 2005 and swear by it. Great stuff.

Gear Talk / Re: Touring Bike Selection
« on: July 14, 2015, 10:49:06 am »
I also own a Co-Motion Americano. I recently installed Clement X'Plor MSO 40 x 700c tires. They are lighter than the 35 x 700c tires I replaced. No fenders yet. They will be next. After that, Old Man Mountain racks. USA made. I ride gravel roads. I hope to ride the GDMBR.
Oh, 24-34 low gear. I won't tour with anything less.
I plan to tour with an all up weight under 235 pounds. If I hit my target, my touring weight will be less than some riders without touring gear.


Sent from somewhere around here.

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Yeah you can run fatter tires on the Americano and Cascadia (NorWester Tour) without fenders.

Gear Talk / Re: Gearing for Touring Bike
« on: July 14, 2015, 09:45:25 am »

You recommend a 38 tooth front chainring and a 17 tooth rear cog for climbing mountains on a touring bike.  Professional Tour de France riders use easier gears than that for climbing mountains.  And they don't carry panniers and gear on their bikes.  38x17 low gear.  Sure.

I guess we are pretty darn tuff then aren't we? Yup, we started out with a 44x16 combo but that was a bit rough on the knees, so we changed our gearing to 38x17 and that seems to be a nice spot for us. We did met a Dutch fella that was cycling with a 40x21 and he seemed real pleased with that.  8)

Here we are crossing Brenner Pass, Austrian and Italian Border. Made it with a 38x17 on my 26" Co-Motion Pangea Rohloff. ;-)

Gear Talk / Re: Gearing for Touring Bike
« on: July 12, 2015, 09:10:11 am »
I have 26" wheels, 26x32 is my lowest gear. Would it be best to go with a 22" in the front?

26" wheels kind of implies you are using a mountain bike for touring.  Fine. 

No the OP could be the owner of Surly LHT or a Co-Motion Pangea, they both come in 26".  As for gearing, we found that a 38 front and 17 rear seem to work just perfect giving you plenty of range for flats and the most demanding climbs.  :)  8)  :o

You're welcome Lachlan. I picked up a pair of Scottish made Endura Hummer 3/4 shorts while cycling through Avimore back in Oct 2014 and have only been wearing them since. The pair I have are a little thick for extreme hot weather, but I see Endura makes a thin pair so they are on my want list. The inner shorts are ok if you wear padded shorts, I personally find it more comfortable to just wear plain old underwear than cycling shorts.


Gear Talk / Re: Touring without fenders - big mistake?
« on: July 10, 2015, 11:37:56 pm »
Would not leave home without them.

Our suggestion would be to go with a long sleeve made from Merino wool. Wear a Buff made from Merino wool around your neck and on dusty days you also use it to cover your nose and mouth. Get yourself a thin lose fitting pair of 3/4 pants and you're set. :-)

The Merino stuff (i.e. Smartwool, Ibex, Ice Breaker, etc...) is great because you can wear it for several days and it will not stink, unlike that silly made for bicycle clothing that stinks to high heaven after one use. Plus Merino wool absorbs a lot and dries really fast. Been wearing this stuff for commuting and touring for several years and swear by it. :-)

Gear Talk / Re: Touring Bike Selection
« on: July 10, 2015, 11:21:53 pm »
If I can be of any assistance please let me know. We own 4 Co-Motion bikes, 2 Pangea Rohloff and 2 Nor'Wester Tours (now called Cascadia) all 4 have bikes have S&S couplers.

We just recently completed traveling for 769 days 28 countries, 14 US states on our Pangeas. In the past we have done several fully loaded short tours in Europe riding our Nor'Wester Tours. We can understand your hesitation with buying a bike without being able to "test" ride it. We had the same issue and to add to that there were maybe one or two reviews out there. If we keep our Nor'Westers they will only be for commuting now. Although they are great touring bikes, they can not carry the weight like the Pangea, plus our Pangeas are Rohloff and once you've ridden a Rohloff you will not want to go back. 769 days in all types of conditions and not one single issue or adjustment needed, other than doing the oil change a couple times on the Rohloff.

As for the Surly and Trek, sure they are fine bikes and many have made it around the world too, but they're not made in the USA. This is our personal choice, but we go out of our way to not buy stuff made in China and if you look hard enough you can find a lot of items made elsewhere. Nomads look to be like pretty stout bikes and we came across a few of them during our travels, but they too are made in China/Taiwan, so no thanks. We also came across many Koga brands, they are very popular in Europe and they seem pretty good too and I believe they are made in Holland, but I think they are aluminum frames. 

Buying a Co-Motion is expensive but the quality is top shelf, it's built by craftsman and not machines or some poor sap making a few dollars a day in miserable conditions, and it helps keep a US builder in business.

I personally would not buy a Cascadia or Americano unless you plan to stick to mostly paved roads. The largest tire for either bike with fenders installed is a 35c and that is not big enough for extended gravel or dirt or mud. With the Divide or Pangea you can run much larger tires with fenders and they provide a much smoother ride over the rough stuff. Just remember with the larger tires comes added weight.

If you have any questions shoot me an email at pedalpowertouring(at)gmail(dot)com


Photo:Vietnam looking back at the mountains we came down the night before in the dark.

General Discussion / Re: Cycling Around the World, but.........
« on: March 03, 2015, 01:56:58 am »
Hello Stephen, thank you. Our blog is about 2 months behind but we we are working on getting updated. I'll send you an email with the plugin about the map that we use.


We have over 7000 miles cycling with MKS Lambda pedals and Power Grip straps. About 5000 of those miles were done while wearing hiking boots and the last 2000ish have been done wearing plain old tennis shoes.

General Discussion / Re: Question About Minimum Stay Requirements
« on: March 02, 2015, 11:58:51 pm »
I've often found that campgrounds have more flexible rules for bicycle tourists.  I stayed in some RV oriented sites that do not allow car campers, but DO welcome bicycle tourists. 

I wish we could say the same thing; however, our experience so far crossing through Arizona and New Mexico has been anything but RV friendly places and the couple private campgrounds that will allow tenters are asking stupid prices ($30 to $60) to pitch a tent. If you're not afraid to camp out in the desert it's free, quiet, and very beautiful.

General Discussion / Re: Cycling Around the World, but.........
« on: March 02, 2015, 11:51:32 pm »
Our advice is to be flexible and take it day by day. Your route and your plans will change as you roll down the road, at least this has been our experience, so be prepared for that. Next week marks 2 years on the road and it has been an amazing journey. Currently cycling across the great southwest of America back to our home in Florida. Good luck and have fun. Will we ever do it again... Heck yeah without a doubt.... but first we need to earn more freedom credits. ;-)

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