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Update 07/28/14 - I spoke with folks in McCall, and the Twentymile Trail has been fully cleared in the past few day by moto riders and volunteers. Trail crews are working on Bear Pete right now.

This does not mean there will not be more trees that fall in the future. Even during this riding season.

As stated on the maps, I cannot emphasize enough that all of the Singletrack Options are true backcountry epics. They are extremely difficult, and riders need to plan for encountering obstacles such as downed trees, rutted out trails, long hike-a-bikes, and moving water crossings. If those situations are in any way unappealing, I recommend not attempting any of the Singletrack Options.

The reality is, none of the Singletrack Options will ever be 100% rideable.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« on: July 21, 2014, 12:03:58 pm »
Derek,

I get these following questions a lot, and was hoping you guys would be able to shed some light: How was riding the Main Route with a cross bike? What tires did you use? Was there any specific point that you felt the Main Route overwhelmed the tires, bikes and pannier setup?

Anyways, I'm Glad you guys had a great ride, and I 2nd breakfast at the Stanley Baking Company and beer at the Galena Lodge!

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07/16/2014 - 3 lightning caused wildfire which are being managed as the "Whiskey Complex" have closed the Main Route between Placerville and Garden Valley. It has also closed the Hot Springs Campground on the Lowman Cutoff. It is advised riders stay off the Lowman Cutoff west of Lowman as well.

Current updated info here: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/3955/
Closure area map as of 07/15/2014 here: http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/IDBOF/2014-07-15-1055-Whiskey-Complex/picts/2014_07_15-20.49.54.620-CDT.pdf

EDIT: The Main Route is not closed, but all areas to the immediate east of the road are. This could change at any moment. So, please use caution on Alder Creek Rd.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« on: July 16, 2014, 01:20:03 pm »
Awesome, Josh.

Sounds like it was a bit too early in the season for some of that singletrack. I too ran into the same problem last year on the Secesh forcing a 13hr day of downed tree after downed tree, but a week later a friend rode it with no down trees! It all depends when the moto riders hit it, and I have reports of them hitting Twentymile in the past few days. So, I'd bet I would be good to go in the next week or so.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Route Questions
« on: June 24, 2014, 05:08:11 pm »
I saw some pictures of folks backpacking through snow in the White Clouds last weekend. It is retreating fast though.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Route
« on: June 24, 2014, 05:07:03 pm »
You will be fine with your alcohol stove. Most fire restrictions do not include small backpacker stoves

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A few folks have come across this closure notice in the past few days:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/sawtooth/home/?cid=stelprdb5385065

Please ignore it.

I just talked to the folks at the Stanley RS, and Decker Flat Rd./FR 210 is OPEN. They just haven't updated any website to reflect this

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All routing remains open, but there are a couple of area closures to note. More info and maps can be found here: http://www.fs.usda.gov/land/sawtooth/landmanagement

- The area surrounding the Main Route to the east of Dollarhide Summit is closed. Bicycle travel is restricted to FR 227. All recreation activities in the closure area are not permitted at this time, including camping. This does not affect any hot springs. Reference this map for the closure: http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3800701.pdf

- Due to fire damage, Baumgartner Campground and hot springs are closed. They will reopen sometime summer 2014.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Route Questions
« on: May 27, 2014, 12:07:00 pm »
If the snow continues to melt as it has been the past few weeks, I think you will be fine to start in late June. I've driven both sections you are planning on. In ideal conditions they are doable with 2WD. Although, with the possibility of a rogue snow patch or two, I'd opt for an AWD or 4WD. Also, it would not be a bad idea to pack a chainsaw and shovel in the vehicle.

Here are some resources for you to check:
- http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/ - The snow depth map here is not that detailed but gives an overview of whats going on. Click on the outlined Northern Rockies region on the map at the top. Then, click the Snow Depth map below.
- http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/Idaho/idaho.html - The Snotel sites give a good indication of specific location snow depth. The Banner Summit and Deadwood Summit snotels are on the route. So, check them. The Big Creek Summit and Secesh Summit ones are off route but will give addition insight into whats happening in the area.

Both of the above sites have historical data on them as well.

A couple of other things:
- The Middle Fork of the Boise Road is not that bad. Especially early season.
- Another option may be to ride McCall to Ketchum. Probably the nicest stretch of that length. Although not as many hot springs.
- That photo was taken at Burgdorf Hot Springs, north of McCall. It is on the Secesh Option on the Singletrack Options Map. There is a road that connects it with McCall. It's 95% paved. It's a great spot, and if you have a spare day, it'd be worth it.

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Routes / Re: Hot Springs Route Idaho - sandy roads??
« on: May 01, 2014, 02:29:51 pm »
You may find a rogue patch here or there, but you will not find any significant stretches of sand on the entire route.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« on: October 21, 2013, 11:54:01 am »
No problem.

We are working on getting some more info up on ACA's website, but for now if you want a general idea of what the route is about, check out these articles:

- http://www.adventure-journal.com/2013/08/bike-touring-special-the-500-mile-idaho-hot-springs-mountain-bike-route/
- http://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/outdoor/idahos-wild-singletrack-spa-20131021

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« on: October 21, 2013, 11:50:58 am »
No goatheads. I ran tubes and lightweight tires and never punctured. Maybe I just need to rage more, huh.

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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« on: October 21, 2013, 11:42:00 am »
On the Main Route, the elevation will range from 3000ft to 8900ft. The singletrack option through the White Clouds tops out at just under 10000ft.

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Great Divide Section 3 - Map B

This picture is from Wyoming SR 70 somewhere between miles 25.0 & 42.1.

Bruce Burrows, from the Wyoming Department of transportation, and his on-site engineers in the area have granted permission for cyclists to walk around the landslide on State Route 70. The engineers seem to be confident that racing and touring mtb'rs are savy enough to get around it. He did stress to use caution. Also, there could be people/heavy equipment working in the area.

This might change later in the summer when they start working on the road. Here is number to contact for more info:
Wyoming Department of Transportation - 307.777.4375

Again, the Wyoming Department of Transport has granted permission for cyclists to walk around the landslide

-Casey Greene
cartographer, Adventure Cycling Association

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