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General Discussion / Re: bike tour spring summer 2014 questions
« on: February 03, 2014, 03:55:08 pm »
i know im taking peanut-butter as a main staple any ideas as for cheese that will last with out refrigeration i love cheese

Any hard cheese will last for 2-3 days without refrigeration, although they may get oily in heat.  I like the 8 oz. packages of Kraft cheddar or pepper jack that come in tear-open, zip-lock close bags.  If you're on any kind of road system you'll probably be able to re-supply every day or two, since almost every grocery store and half the mini-marts carry it.

Gear Talk / Re: (Cyclo)cross-country
« on: February 01, 2014, 11:26:51 am »
I think your gear spread should be fine if you're traveling light but you will know from the steep stuff near where you live. None of the climbs out west that I've run into are steep, it's just a long grind. 7 - 15 miles at 6 or 7% is like being on a Stairmaster for an hour or two. It's nothing like Mt. Washington, N.H.

I'll just throw in a mention that New Hampshire is between the Portlands of OP's proposed trip.  Even though it's not necessary to go over Mt. Washington, there seem to be a lot steeper climbs in the east than most of the roads out west (except perhaps for the Sierra passes).

General Discussion / Re: bike tour spring summer 2014 questions
« on: February 01, 2014, 11:08:07 am »
Drink a lot, eat a lot, ride a lot.

On a bike tour of more than a few days, you need to think about sustaining yourself and your energy.  Plan to eat what you like to eat, just more of it.  Junk food excluded, in my experience, mainly because the high fat/greasy stuff is hard to digest while rolling up the road.  Although french fries with lots of salt can sometimes be great.  Breads and potatoes are OK, cheese is a good lunch with some fruit and maybe a hard sausage, but for a long ride, start looking for more fruits and vegetables.  They seem surprisingly scarce in rural grocery stores and cafes.

Make sure you keep the fluids flowing, as well.  I think some people have been surprised at the steady $5/day Gatorade cost for extended touring.  (I prefer orange juice and V8, myself...)  And if you start feeling utterly wiped out, you probably need some salt -- pills, caplets, or sprinkled generously on a baked potato.

On the maximum calorie front, one of my daughter's classmates hiked the AT a few years back.  Half way through he was so hungry that he stopped in a grocery store and ate a stick of margarine before he got to the checkout.  (Collective "eeuw" from all his listeners.)  He sort of shrugs when he tells the tale and says, "I was hungry."

Gear Talk / Re: Ortlieb Pannier Shoulder Straps???
« on: January 24, 2014, 09:32:07 pm »
So: Is there any reason to haul shoulder straps across the country?  We have handlebar bags with shoulder straps for off-bike use.  Am I missing something? Please respond only if you have experience based on using Ortliebs for extended touring.  Thanks in advance. 

My Ortliebs are the 'packer series instead of the classics, so I can't answer the specifics of the closures John addressed.  For my use, I carried four panniers by the loops in two hands as you suggest.  Ortlieb contributed four more to the various unused nylon carrying straps with various attachments cluttering my house.

General Discussion / Re: Link to this forum is buried, why???
« on: January 24, 2014, 09:23:47 pm »
My overall reaction to the new site is that some new "graphics design" graduate got to play around and they took it live, but AC is not the only site that does stupid stuff like that.  I was able to bookmark the forum link, and that's how I find Adventure Cycling now; I can click on the link at the top of the forum page if I want to find anything else.

Having said that, it seems like the forum response time has increased quite a bit in the last month.  That'll turn me off faster than anything else.  It needs to be something quick, like a second or two to display the page.  Straight html / text for speed.  If I have to watch the spinner for 3-5 seconds every time I click a link, I'll lost interest pretty quickly.  (Geezer alert! That was always the advantage newsgroups had over web-based forums; you could download lots of headers or messages, skim through them and respond quickly.)

Gear Talk / Re: First Touring Bike
« on: January 23, 2014, 05:47:23 pm »
As paddleboy suggests, finding a good local bike shop (LBS) is key to getting a bike with which you'll be satisfied.  If the two bikes on your short list are from different shops, I'd suggest interviewing each LBS.  If you have to narrow it down to one question, ask "Will youwork with me and swap out stems for free if necessary to get me a good fit?"  Don't buy from there if the answer is no.

You may be able to call around and find a Sojourn in your size, particularly if you can wait until about March.  Spring touring bike shipments seem to start about then.  Look under "Dealers" on the manufacturer's web page.  You may have to drive a few hours to find a bike shop that stocks it in your size, but that few hours is nothing compared to the hours you can spend on your bike while touring.

The good news is that bicycling is so easy, even a 13 year old can do it safely!  (The better news is that, by teaching your daughter to bicycle safely now, she'll be a safer driver in a couple years when she gets a learning permit.)

I agree strongly with John re: problems tend to happen in towns and cities.  I started my girls when they were 13 and 10.  For the first month or so, our rides must have looked like "Make Way for Ducklings" on wheels; I led, the girls in the middle, and my wife at the back.  We made sure everyone was on the right side of the road, not swerving all over the place, stopped for stop signs, checked both ways, etc.  When we were sure they could survive in suburbia, we graduated to longer rides; a book store and ice cream store were both about 5 miles away, which was a good distance for newby cyclists to catch our breath before heading back home.  If you can do something similar, starting April or maybe March, you and your daughter will be ready to go when summer comes.

Just a couple recommendations.  For Mom, pick up a copy of John Franklin's "Cyclecraft." and read it.  Make sure you get the American translation from British.  You could also try John Forester's "Effective Cycling", but Forester needs editing to cut out the politics and autobiography before it would be as good a resource as "Cyclecraft" on riding a bicycle safely.

I've been impressed by a few web sites:
And for your review and study:

My knee-jerk reaction is that you've put too many constraints on your wish list.  1,000-1,500 miles, to my knowledge, just isn't possible in a loop format while staying off roads.  You might be able to largely stay off roads on the continental divide trail, but that breaks the loop.

Having said that, the Adventure Cycling routes do an excellent job of keeping you on lightly traveled roads.  Their magazine had an article a few years back where a bunch of kids wondered if they could ride a mile naked in Kansas without anybody seeing them.  (Spoiler: they chose the wrong mile.)  Most TransAm veterans smiled, lots of roads are that empty.

Off the top of my head, you might try Lewis and Clark east on the Katy Trail, then head north on Great Rivers, then west on the Northern Tier until you meet up with L&C, then head back south.  (Adjust to fit where in Iowa you want to start, of course.)  NT has been re-jiggered to use more rail-trails in Minnesota, and of course you've got a couple hundred miles on the Katy.  I suspect that's as close as you can get to your previous wish list.

One more point about the AC maps, they'll have points of interest called out.  You might want to ask the various state tourism offices for maps, or get the state books from AAA, and plan out additional near-but-not-on the-route stops you want to make.  That should keep you busy for a few months while waiting for summer to arrive!

General Discussion / Re: van supported Transam
« on: January 11, 2014, 10:33:45 am »
I think the answer to your question is "no". The tour descriptions do not mention side trips in the van and none of the journals I've read of van-supported tours mention them either.

If you're staying with the group, I agree with John.  I'll note, though, that membership in the group that was close to us was somewhat fluid; people would take off on a side trip for a few days to do their own thing, and then might rejoin later.  A few left the trip, and some of the journals I've read suggest other people might hook up with the group later in the trip.

Food Talk / Re: Best Foods for Training
« on: January 08, 2014, 10:15:21 am »
Hmm.  Either my memory isn't as good as I thought it was, or Rodale changed the title of the book.  Ride Your Way Lean is what's showing on Amazon -- same cover picture I remember:

Food Talk / Re: Best Foods for Training
« on: January 07, 2014, 09:20:23 am »
Most of it can be summed up in a few sentences.  Eat a balanced diet.  Cut out the junk food, except for some low-fat junk food while riding.  (These are called "power bars" and "energy drinks.")  After long rides, try to get in some quality carbs in the 30 minutes after you stop riding. 

Selene Yeager's "Pedal Off the Pounds" has some solid nutritional advice.  It might be worth scanning for what and how to eat, regardless of whether you're going to try to lose weight or not

Gear Talk / Re: 700 C wheels for Surly Cross Check
« on: January 03, 2014, 04:10:45 pm »
Thank you all for the advice.  I would like to build my own wheels, and I have a truing stand, but it seems a little intimidating.  That why I was looking for stock wheels. 

That being said, I would like to try building my own.  So where is the best place to buy hubs, spokes, nipples and rims?  I was looking for alex adventurer because that what comes on the Surly Long Haul Trucker, and thought it would be the best for touring. 

Lickton ( often has the "best" (for me) combination of rims and hubs in stock, and decent spoke prices.  (I get aggravated at paying $2 for a bog-standard double butted spoke!)  Velocity Dyad is a nice rim.

Spend some time surfing over the on-line versions: and

You could drop down between Elkin and Yadkinville, if you wanted to.

I'd still recommend paper maps for directions, though

Gear Talk / Re: Tent - One Person and Freestanding?
« on: January 03, 2014, 09:37:24 am »
BTW, I'm also tall at 6'2", so that may play into tent selection. It also needs to be able to fit my long version of the NeoAir XLite sleeping pad, which is 77" in length.

Definitely try the tents.  In several tents I was brushing the head and foot when I lay down.  Just like the time in the Tetons when the mosquitos were chewing my feet because they were up against the side walls.

Gear Talk / Re: 700 C wheels for Surly Cross Check
« on: January 02, 2014, 10:58:17 pm »
I'd take a slightly different slant to Russ. Go find a set of wheels, and either tension and stress relieve them yourself or pay a good wheel builder to do it for you.  Big companies can machine-build a wheel for dirt cheap compared to what you'll pay retail for parts; you may be able to find a set of hybrid wheels for $100 or so.  Add $50 for that good wheel-builder's labor, or a cheap truing stand and Brandt's "The Bicycle Wheel" if you want to learn how to DIY, and you've got a decent set of wheels.

Alex rims are decent, but not top of the line.  And it's funny how "hybrid" wheels seem to have most of the best attributes of "touring" wheels.

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