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Routes / Re: Ochco Divide Campground on Trans-Am (Oregon)
« on: July 16, 2015, 01:28:31 pm »
The web site says you can make reservations. Maybe call Reserve America at 1-877-444-6777, at least for the fee question.

It looks like the only thing reserveable is the group site, so I don't think they'd be much help, either.

Routes / Ochco Divide Campground on Trans-Am (Oregon)
« on: July 15, 2015, 05:24:24 pm »
I'm doing some research for a tour through Eastern Oregon that I'll be riding later this summer. I'll be using the Trans-Am for parts of it. When checking out the website for the Ochoco Divide Campground on US 26 about 30 miles west of Prineville, I noticed that the PDF map indicates a "bike site" just to the right of site no. 25. This was the first I heard of this! I wanted to find out some more info, but the web page for the sites says nothing. I actually called Ochoco NF to find out more, but was a fruitless endeavor. (Which unfortunately happens frequently when I try to contact a national forest.)

So I'm asking you fine folks if you know anything about this bike site at Ochoco Divide, esp. if you've used it in the last couple years. What I'd like to know is:
  • How much does the site cost? Is it a "per-person" fee like most hiker/biker sites?
  • Is it a group site that would fit multiple cyclists, or is it only intended for one party?

Pertinent links:
The web page for Ochoco Divide CG:!ut/p/c4/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gDfxMDT8MwRydLA1cj72BTJw8jAwjQL8h2VAQAzHJMsQ!!?ss=110601&ttype=recarea&recid=38724&actid=70&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&position=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&navid=110410000000000&pnavid=110000000000000&cid=null&pname=Ochoco+NF-Ochoco+West+-+Prineville+Area+-+Ochoco+Divide+Campground
map of the campsite:

Routes / Re: Transam West to East; Florence or Astoria?
« on: July 12, 2015, 12:13:35 pm »
If you want to opt for a few less miles or feel the logistics work better for Florence it is an OK place to start, but I am baffled that anyone would find the start in Astoria awful.  I thought that part of the coast was very pleasant.

I think a lot of it has to do with how tolerant one of is traffic while riding. For some folks, they can only fixate on that, rather than all the beautiful scenery around.

Routes / Re: Transam West to East; Florence or Astoria?
« on: July 11, 2015, 10:47:27 pm »
You asked "When do you plan on starting?"  Per my post; "I will be riding from Oregon to Canon City, CO on the transam starting in early August." In my case, early August is Aug 8.   And indeed it was the traffic and lack of shoulders that the cyclist was referring to.   

Oops, missed that part. I think if you avoided the weekend, you should be better, since the traffic will be heavier then. So maybe wait until Monday August 10th to depart from Astoria? And make sure you use any "get off 101" routings you can!

Routes / Re: Transam West to East; Florence or Astoria?
« on: July 11, 2015, 09:42:05 pm »
When do you plan on starting? This can make a difference. The "horribleness" that this other cyclist talks about is probably the high volume of traffic on US 101 during the peak season, not necessarily the hardness of the route itself, though there are a few significant hills. But the scenery can be great. Many people ride the coast in the middle of summer, so it isn't the worst thing in the world, but there will be lots of traffic, and shoulders are not always as wide as they should be. Plus, there are a couple tunnels. There are several places to get off 101, so you can do that where you can.

Also, no need to post this in multiple forums.

Shawmt, it's hard to give good input without seeing the ad link and/or a pic in the post. That being said, it's probably a decent mid-80's touring bike, and for that price it would be a good value. The big thing is: Does it fit you? The only way to know is to try it out. But if you are on a budget and want to get into touring (and the bike(s) you own aren't that appropriate) $200 is a good deal. Be advised that you'll probably spend just as much on changes/upgrades. The ad doesn't say anything about racks (and no pic to tell) so you'll have to buy some too if they aren't on the bike.

Depending on who you talk to, some folks like 80's touring bikes better than modern ones. The big issues with older touring bikes is:
  • They usually used 27" wheels. Not a dealbreaker, as there are still good 27" tires on the market. But they are not as easy to find (at least "good" ones) as 700C tires, and there just isn't the breadth and depth of selection of 27" tires as there is with 700C tires.
  • Most older tourers lack front-fork braze-ons, meaning front rack attachment is more difficult, but not impossible.

General Discussion / Re: shuttle or transport from Missoula to Banff
« on: June 16, 2015, 03:22:14 pm »
The Whitefish Hostel is pretty great! We've actually got them listed as a shuttle resource on the pdf I referenced above. =)

Just to clarify things, there are two hostels in/around Whitefish. The Whitefish Bike Retreat (the one with shuttle service talked about above) is located about 7 miles outside of downtown Whitefish.

Then there is the Whitefish Hostel, which is right in town, just a few blocks from the Amtrak stop:

General Discussion / Re: Please answer poll question
« on: June 02, 2015, 06:41:48 pm »
Alan, can you explain how answering this poll question this will help? All the poll does is ask how one travels to work, that's it. No specifics on location, nor are there any specifics where this will be used. This seems way too vague to be of any use. Maybe I'm missing something here?

Overnight costs.  Europe is 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of USA.  The US is unbelievably expensive for housing.  Campsites in the US are as expensive or more expensive as motels/pensiones/hostels in Europe.  You get a private room with a bed and small breakfast and maybe shared bathroom in Europe for the same price you pay for a campsite at a park in the USA.

There's a lot of hiker/biker spots on the Pacific Coast, which cost usually $5 a night per person. And outside of that, if you stay in state parks, you shouldn't pay more than $20. Private campgrounds are of course another matter. The most I spent on my coast tour in 2006 was at a KOA that had "hiker/biker" accommodations for about $20.

Are motels/pensiones/hostels in Europe really that cheap?

A few more notes:
  • If you're heading down the coast, you'll primarily be on US 101 through Oregon until you hit Highway 1 in Mendocino Co.  in California. There are some alternates (take them when you can!) but I'd say over 80% will be on 101 and 1.
  • There are many hiker/biker sites on the coast, especially in Oregon, where you'll be able to stay in a state park hiker/biker site each night.
  • Adventure Cycling puts out a good map. Oregon Dept. of Transportation puts out a good free bike map. And the "bible" of touring down the coast is the book "Bicycling the Pacific Coast".

In about 3 weeks I'm going to start up the coast from San Francisco to Portland...

Tim, I have no experience with touring in Europe, so I can't compare.

But I'll be the first of probably several more people to let you know that most people tour north-to-south along the Pacific Coast, since the wind comes out of the NW during summer. Now late May is still a bit variable, and you can get storms which mean winds from the SW. But you'll probably be looking at more headwinds than tailwinds. Also, the best views are on the west side of the road, which would be handily on the right when going south (and you don't have to cross the road to see it!) Plus when the road is narrow and the highway department can only put a bike lane/shoulder on one side, it's going to be the southbound side. So I'd advise you to rethink the direction and start in Portland instead.

General Discussion / Re: Which shops stock ACA maps?
« on: April 30, 2015, 02:26:51 pm »
Here in Portland, OR, besides the local map shop that had a pretty old Transam map the last time I checked, the REI downtown has some ACA maps. But it's only for the routes closest to Portland, and the stock isn't always great. So if you're looking for Pacific Coast Section 2, you might be in luck, but you won't find Northern Tier Section 4. I'm guessing that other REIs would have a few ACA maps of local-ish routes, but I can't say for sure.

So as others have stated, it's hard to find ACA maps from shops on the road, which makes it difficult if you are making up the trip as you go along. Best bet is to figure out your next section a few weeks in advance and have Adventure Cycling mail them to you on the road, whether General Delivery (info on that has been posted on these forums a few times) or at a place you know you'll be staying at.

Routes / Re: Getting bikes to Canada from California
« on: April 23, 2015, 01:49:58 pm »
Are you sure the train is actually cheaper?  I have often found flying to be cheaper, so don't rule it out without checking.

If you left on Tuesday, July 16 from Los Angeles on the Coast Starlight to Seattle, the one way adult fare is $115, and from Seattle to Mount Vernon on the morning of Thursday July 18 it's $22. This doesn't include bike fees or the lodging fee for being in Seattle overnight.

Routes / Re: Getting bikes to Canada from California
« on: April 23, 2015, 01:45:55 pm »
No Amtrak to Victoria - need to get there by ferry. Several options exist and I think others can speak to that. There is a ferry from Seattle but my recollection is that it is $$$. You could take the Amtrak Cascade to Vancouver from Seattle and then take BC Ferries to Victoria - if you're coming up the coast via the Starlight that means an overnight in Seattle. I'm sure there might be some other options.

You can do that, but getting a bike between downtown Vancouver and the ferry terminal in Tsawassen is a major pain in the you know what. I've done it many a time, and I've tried the gamut of options, none of them are easy, fast, or convenient. Unless you want to check out Vancouver (and it is a city worth checking out), the easier ferry option via Amtrak would be this:
  • Take Coast Starlight from unknown city in California to Seattle, overnight in Seattle
  • The next morning, take the Amtrak Cascades to Mt. Vernon
  • Ride 20 miles west to Anacortes
  • Hop on the Washington State Ferry to Sidney, BC
  • Ride the 20 miles south on the Galloping Goose Trail to Victoria

Of course, since you're now on an island, you'll need to take a ferry from Victoria to start the coast route. Then you'll use the Black Ball/Coho ferry to get to Port Angeles, WA.

My tip: If you are going to make the point of starting the trip to Victoria, budget in the extra time to explore the San Juan (US) and/or Gulf (Canada) Islands up there. Worth it! There is also some nice exploring to do around Victoria.

Routes / Re: Getting bikes to Canada from California
« on: April 22, 2015, 04:36:49 pm »
You’ve got to respect the 50lb weight limit as well. The weight weenies in Seattle made sure I was aware of this the last time we traveled on Amtrak (and right now it probably is the last time sadly).

I agree that the 50 lb limit is somewhat annoying, but I'd refrain from calling them "weight weenies". I think that limit is in effect because at some small stations, there is only one ticket agent/baggage handler that has to do everything. They want to keep the baggage weight limit reasonable so one person can load/unload a train without help, and at a relatively fast speed, as they're trying to keep a schedule. (Insert snarky joke about Amtrak and schedules here.)

And to note: It's not just Seattle that will weigh bikes, I've had that happen in Portland too. And it doesn't need to be a tandem to tip the scales...

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