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General Discussion / Camping gas canisters
« on: February 27, 2007, 11:47:20 am » says this much better than I (Whiteblaze is a big Appalachian Trail (AT) website:

 Q: Is there more than one type of canister adaptor?

Yes. There are two different attachment fittings. The vast majority (including all US manufactures) of canister stoves use the EN417 Lindal valve, while in Europe, several use the Camping Gaz canisters which are very similar except that the valve is smooth instead of threaded like the Lindal valve. At least one stove, the MSR Superfly, will work with either type of fitting.

In the US, the Lindal fitting is by far the most common. In fact, it is difficult to even find canisters for the Camping Gas fitting.

I believe all the iso-butane gas canisters I use for my JetBoil is basically the Lindal Valve or EN417. I do know that to mount my canisters to the burner, you simply have to thread (std English thread) the burner to the canister and this would be the same for the MSR PocketRocket or the JetBoil or the Primus brand stoves.

We can also interchange canisters although of course, MSR will want you to use MSR brand canisters.

As far as finding them..... I would not really want to count on them as a sole source of fuel if you need to say boil water, a white gas stove would be more ideal. White gas or Coleman's Fuel can be found in many grocery stores and bigbox stores like Walmart and Target, and camping stores, but you may not find the iso-butane canisters for fuel. You should be able to find propane canisters but most of them are for car-camping type stovetops.  

However, I know I can go for 7-8 days on my little 4oz JetBoil canister so long as I don't have to use it to boil drinking water and using it just for breakfast (instant oatmeal) and a freeze dried dinner.  Knowing that in a pinch, you could probably plan on trying to keep a 2 canister minimum carry and then supplement that with bought food when possible to stretch the usage.  I would only rely on finding those canisters in camping/hunting type stores which I am not familiar the frequency you'll find them on the Northern Tier.  

If this was in a very very remote area, I would stick with a White Gas stove, like a whisperlite int. or similar which can run on gas, propane, even auto fuel in a pinch.  

However, you might want to look into an alcohol stove, or "esbit" stove, they are super small and can run on denatured alcohol and use that as a backup. It's slow but works and isn't too big or too heavy to carry.  You can google that and you can make one fairly easily. Just definitely practice with it before you go.

Or think about mailing yourself canisters to select Post Offices on the way so you can guarantee you will at least have known sources for them....

In other words, anything is possible, but for true self-reliable methods, white gas stoves would be more flexible.


P.S. the rest of the canister fuel FAQ on

This message was edited by JayH on 2-27-07 @ 7:48 AM

General Discussion / Expedition touring
« on: February 27, 2007, 09:05:33 pm »
Hi Paul, thanks for sharing your report. I haven't yet checked it out but I will in my spare time.

Keep on spinning!


General Discussion / solar chargers
« on: February 12, 2007, 10:53:47 am »
Check out the Brunton line of solar chargers... they make some fairly costly chargers from a roll of solar cells. I've seen them at STP before (sierratradingpost) but I would talk to Brunton first about the feasibility of them. I have no personal experience of using them and if they work as Badger mentions.  Best bet would be to talk to Brunton...


General Discussion / ACA TOURs - Sign in
« on: January 18, 2007, 12:56:24 pm »
If you're cycling in Alaska, also plan for construction, with the short thaw season up there, once the sun comes out, the construction crews come in, especially on the parks highway.  So the gravel experience and tire choice is good, especially when you're busy looking at the mountains and not paying attention where you're riding! :-)


General Discussion / Searching the web
« on: January 02, 2007, 09:26:14 am »
Park tool has some repair and info on their website. Sure they are an advertising tool for them but it is there:


General Discussion / Merry Christmas
« on: December 20, 2006, 02:46:20 pm »
Happy holidays to all and may all your wheels spin true. :)


General Discussion / The Ditty Bops...
« on: October 02, 2006, 03:51:37 pm »
Just spreading the word.... On a (somewhat) completly unrelated word... I heard this duet on internet radio and while checking out their website, it seems there is an ACA connection (even a link to ACA from their website) on two talented muscians who did a recent tour of the US by bike, using the ACA maps.

I thought it was way cool, not the first musical group to do so but certainly something more should do...  Just thought I'd pass it on. Their music is very good also!


General Discussion / Seeking advice on bringing a bike from Europe to U
« on: September 28, 2006, 12:18:29 pm »
If I lived on the west coast, I'd be glad to help ya out, but I think a bike shop would be willing to take shipment, I know many of them do and possibly for a fee would even put your bike back together if you want. The ACA maps will list nearby bike shops on the back of the maps, it would be a good start to look there or the Yellow Pages too.


General Discussion / Dalton Boys
« on: September 28, 2006, 12:19:37 pm »
"was out couple of days in a Dentists chair"

Wow, how fast do they go, did it have built in racks?  Campy or Shimano?



General Discussion / Loaded Weight
« on: September 15, 2006, 11:26:01 am »
Excellent advice all...

One thing that I use is I don't even bring 1 fork, spoon, or knife. For the knife, I have one in my multitool and I use a Snow Peak ti Spork so no separate fork and spoon and the Ti wont rust.


General Discussion / to late to ride?
« on: August 30, 2006, 04:02:52 pm »
I would imagine in the anywhere in the higher elevations can certainly get snow in October on.  Not sure the route the northern Tier goes through though...


General Discussion / Camping on private land
« on: August 30, 2006, 09:23:40 am »
Your wish is my command:

It's the Warm Shower's List.. I'm on it but haven't been for long and no takers yet.

I didn't find Maine too particularly hilly. I thought Dutchess County in NY going east west fairly hilly. ME has logging trucks that go at all hours of the morning which is good and bad, bad that they fly, good that they kind of suck you along.


General Discussion / Lots of hurting bikers out there
« on: August 08, 2006, 12:14:50 pm »
That's great guys. As a lifelong upright rider who has no problem doing long 90+ days on my MTB tourer, I think it is unfortunate that most bike shops don't carry 'bents and then you need even the right salesperson to mention that option to riders these days. It is hard for the average cyclist to try one out if their LBS doesn't carry them and not everybody is as online savvy as those who read these and other bike forums.  I know many folks who think upright bikes are uncomfortable and when I tell them about 'bents, it's like a day of discovery.  

My favorite bike shop that I go to always had a Rans 'bent on the ceiling and he was a guy who sold many bikes, road and mtb, sold everything from Rocky Mountain, to Trek, to Seven.  He is even in a pretty small shop in a small part of the woods too, not in the "big city", so to speak.


General Discussion / Touring w/Non-Cycling Spouse
« on: June 23, 2006, 09:22:19 am »
Well, if your husband can plan in advance, various stuff in the CA/OR area that he does like to visit, he can certainly drive out there, do the sightseeing or whatever and then meet you at camp. If you plan well, you can even figure out how long it take to get to the spot and meet him there.  Its definitely doable with some legwork.

There are many bicycle tours where they have different itineraries for cyclists and non-cyclists or for different level of cyclists so it is common for them to have different trips on the same day, but each night meeting up for dinner and after dinner events.


General Discussion / Motel bike touring
« on: June 21, 2006, 11:55:26 am »
You kind of want to have heavier things low. A lower center of gravity will help the bike's handling.

You might want to make a practice run, if not with real gear, perhaps using deadweight just so you can get the feel of touring with a loaded bike. Don't think you'll notice too much difference, 15lbs isn't that much, you'll notice it more at slow speeds than normal speeds though so get the hang of it in a empty parking lot.


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