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GPS Discussion / Re: Oregon 650 With City Nav Maps
« on: July 25, 2014, 12:34:14 am »
This could be for a number of factors. However, without getting too much into them, we have received very little positive feedback that the turn prompts are reliable.

It has been very common that, when the GPS unit attempt to calculate the turn prompts, it misinterpret the route, hence giving false turn prompts. This is more challenging with City Navigator as it does not contain trails.

I have used various Edge mapping devices (705, 810, & 1000) with routes from various sources (GPSies, Ride with GPS, & Garmin Connect). While they work most of the time, there are enough times that they give me incorrect turn prompts. Instead, I rely on following the visible track on the screen.

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GPS Discussion / Re: Please help! How to follow waypoints?
« on: July 01, 2014, 06:13:48 pm »
I've actually realized now what I really want is not the waypoint data but instead track data which is made available here:

http://www.topofusion.com/divide/gps.php
Good choice. Tracks are the way to go.

Where are you storing the files on your eTrex device?

I just downloaded both files, copied them onto my eTrex under the folder /GARMIN/GPX. They loaded fine:
  • Turn on the device after you copy the files
  • Select Where To
  • Select Tracks
  • These two files should be there.
Be cautious of the following:
  • Neither track has a name in the file. They will both appear as "Track" on the device. Take a guess which is which.
  • There appears to be a large discrepancy between the files. One shows a distance of 1,030km while the other of 4,338km.
  • The two tracks show different outline on the map preview.
  • The web site calls one of the tracks as "official". The only official data I know of is on the Adventure Cycling Association web site.

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GPS Discussion / Re: Please help! How to follow waypoints?
« on: June 30, 2014, 05:13:13 pm »
I downloaded waypoints for the route from topofusion.com but have not put them on the unit yet.
What is the download link? Where did you find the route on that web site?

How do I install waypoints so I can then follow the route?
I am not aware of a track for the GDMBR that follows the route exactly. There is a compilation of route points in a very low resolution. They will give you general guidance about the route, but not exact directions.

Your most reliable source will be from the paper maps. You can then supplement the maps with the GPS location.

Here are the steps to follow:
Be aware of two problems with these files:
  • The files contain each point twice as route point & as waypoint. There are 1,590 waypoints in the GPX files. They will quickly consume the 2,000 waypoint memory from your device, in case you need it to store points of interest & services. It may be best to remove these waypoints in BaseCamp or manually.
  • There is a chance that your unit may decide to recalculate the route based on its internal map. The result will not be the same as the intended route. You can remove maps from the unit to avoid such problem. Be sure to regularly validate the GPS display against the paper maps.
Also, does it matter which direction I ride in?
Yes. You must reverse the route, as needed, using BaseCamp or other tools.

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GPS Discussion / Re: Please help! How to follow waypoints?
« on: June 28, 2014, 09:55:25 pm »
Which route are you trying to follow?

In general, you need a GPX file. Connect the eTrex 20 to your computer. A storage device should appear. Copy the file to your device under the folder /GARMIN/GPX.

However, some GPX files need further processing or do not contain sufficient information.

Please add more details about the route & file.

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GPS Discussion / Re: Need GPS advise
« on: June 05, 2014, 12:13:11 pm »
Take a look at an earlier discussion on this forum with comparison chart.

Several considerations to keep in mind:
  • Do you need maps? The Edge 500 & 510 do not accept maps. They will show you a track on a blank screen. For most of the time, you can follow the track without problems. There may be times at an intersection where it is not clear which road to take. Never worry though. As soon as you are off the track, the unit will warn you.
  • What do you expect your primary use of the unit beyond this trip? For regular bicycle touring & riding on new routes, consider the Edge Touring. It comes with maps for the region you bought it from. You can then download & add more maps for Puerto Rico. More discussion about that is at:
  • What is your price limit? Go all out & purchase the latest Edge 1000, which promises great connectivity functions, clear screen, & maps.
  • Do you want a multi-purpose GPS? For other uses, such as hiking & paddling, consider the eTrex 30. This is a solid unit, allows for many functions beyond just the bicycle, such as 2,000 waypoints to mark the route, man-over-board location marker, etc. The two AA batteries will last several days & you can replace them on the road. You will have to add the maps per instructions above.

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All looks well except when I place my Waypoints on my Garmin SD card it does not recognize it in the device.
This is surprising. Do you have the GPX file on the SD card under /garmin/gpx folder? It should work. Otherwise, send me a copy of the file.

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GPS Discussion / Re: New Garmin Edge Touring
« on: April 18, 2014, 08:01:00 pm »
I got mine.  You should get yours.  I have 5 garmin devices and this one is by far the best for touring.  The battery is an issue, but my hub dynamo remedies that.
Are any of your other devices in the Edge series? Why do you think the Touring is "by far the best for touring"?

I have found the Edge series works best for me across all my activities. While I do agree with your statement, I am curious what you found appealing in this device.

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In terms of the issue with J07740_48 is this the U-Turn that you were describing? It's West towards Ead's Municipal Airport. My map doesn't show the airport but I believe I identified it as Map 78 on TA section 7.
My reference to the U-turn example was at the end of Route J08870_46.

However, just the same, in the example you post below with Route J07740_48, you notice the route on the paper map continues from 287 directly to 96. However, in BaseCamp, it shows that it travels on 287, W Lowell Avenue, then loops on CR40, before it continues on 96.

These will not got you lost. They may just be minor nuances along the way. Verify your route against the paper maps.

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But can you help me with assuring this is the correct routes' following and connecting to the next.
The only assurance I can give you is to make sure you have the paper maps with you. Regularly, validate your location on the GPS versus the paper maps.

That said, your routes look good. Consider renaming them in the order of travel. My earlier notes still stand. For example, in this latest file, I find:
  • Route J08870_46, towards the western end, it continues west on route 156, only to make a U-turn and then travel north.
  • What is J06700.ADDED.01? Is that a spur for a site visit that you are planning?
  • Route J06730 1.ADDED.02 is identical to route J06730_49. Why have both?
You may have your reasons for doing them that way. They are not as obvious to me.

However, even with these comments, I think you will be fine for the majority of the route. Keep the paper maps as a close reference.

  • When I'm done editing what I need from them should I export and take the <rte> <rte/> out in the files?
When you export the waypoints, there should not be any <rte> tags in the file. If you are seeing them, then something is going wrong in the export process.

In BaseCamp, select the folder you want to export, for example Campgrounds. From the menu bar, select Export "Campgrounds". The result file should contain only the waypoints you have in the Campgrounds folder. Are you seeing different results?

  • Should I contain them in one folder or as named (Campgrounds, Restaurants, Bike Shops, etc)?
That is up to you. This is only for organization purpose in BaseCamp. This way you can decide to use all or part of them.

However, once they are on the GPS device, it will not make a difference what folder they were in, or what GPX file they are stored in.

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From there, I would like to get to New Haven Connecticut to take the Farmington Canal Trail to Northampton. Does anyone know this trail? It seems like a pretty direct route, though it doesn't sound like it is all paved and that could be problematic.
Yes, this is all paved. This includes both the sections from New Haven to Cheshire and the one from Farmington to Westfield. There may be a few short sections of the Farmington Canal Trail on hard packed dirt that I am forgetting. I only remember that the entire route was very pleasant (made a short video of it).

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Will the GPS be able to read the files from the SD on the route automatically or do I need to load them for each route I start?
The GPS device will look for routes & waypoints in its internal memory & on the SD card.

I usually save all data on the SD card leaving the internal memory free. I then have another SD card identical to the first as a backup.

Also will this give me turn by turn directions? Yesterday I rode 30miles to test out a local route and it prompted me to turn correctly on my route.
The routes that you charted should give you navigation prompts. This is an excellent idea that you are practicing some rides in your neighborhood ahead of the trip.

Do not make the routes too long. Keep them in small chunks as you had sent them to me earlier. The eTrex 30 will take routes with a very small number of route points (I believe only up to 50).

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In terms of the waypoints, is the Route and Services GPS Waypoints the appropriate download on the AC site?
Yes:
  • Download the file from Adventure Cycling web site.
  • Import it into BaseCamp as is.
  • Create a new folder (New List) in BaseCamp under My Collection to store the waypoints you want to use.
  • You may create multiple folders for food, lodging, and services. Organize this information as you see fit.
  • Drag & drop the waypoints from the bottom left list onto the new folder. Select only the waypoints you want to use on the road.
Remember:
  • The waypoints with a small solid circle next to them are not for services. These are route markers that you do not need.
  • The eTrex can only process 2,000 waypoints at a time. To store more than that keep them all on separate micro SD cards. Use each card with the appropriate coverage area.
  • Save the waypoints on the SD card instead of the device. This allows you to release the memory when you replace the card.
You can set proximity alarms for multiple waypoints at once:
  • Select one of the folder you created.
  • Select all the waypoints within that folder.
  • From the menu bar, select Edit > Get Info.
  • From the new small window, select Advanced.
  • Enter the distance from the waypoint that you want to receive the alert at in the Proximity field.
  • You should now see small red circles around the waypoints in the map of BaseCamp
Export the waypoints:
  • Select one of the folder you created.
  • From the menu bar, select File > Export <folder name>.
  • Save the file to the SD card.

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However, I now need to add the Waypoints. Do I do this using the same method for the route? If you can guide me through, I'd really appreciate it...
Of course. We shall work on the waypoints next.

The long hours in front of BaseCamp seem to have paid off. The route looks good. I have a few clarifying questions about the route:
  • Why three starting points? From the east, the route comes from three branches:
    • Near Allentown, PA: route A02230
    • Near New York City, NY: A22N20_01B, which also travels east instead of west
    • Richmond, VA (A03370_13)
  • Why keep route alternates? There are many areas with multiple options to travel through. For example:
    • Baltimore, MD: A03310_08A versus A43010_08B
    • South of Louisville, KT: J0AC30_31 versus JAAMC1_31A & JAAC31_31B
    • West of Reno, NV: K02120_63A versus K12141_63B
Aside from that, I noticed a few spikes on the route. These indicate to me that some route points are not connected correctly. For example, route J07740_48 near Pueblo, CO:
  • It approaches Pueblo to the west. It makes a U-turn back east briefly before heading south.
  • It continues west, turns north toward the airport, only to make another U-turn back south.
  • In Pueblo, it turns east before looping back west.
Something is not right about these spikes. You may need to experiment with more ways to move or add route points to keep the route continuous.

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Yeah I noticed that too, here is the file... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82601114/demoJ0CE90.GPX.zip
This is great work. I think you have the route correctly.

The file still has the waypoints. I see many <wpt> tags inside the file when I open it with a text editor. You should remove them. Otherwise, they will take up unnecessary memory from your device:
  • In BaseCamp, import the file
  • In the bottom left window, you will see a long list of waypoints (with a dot symbol and any other symbols that are not a bicycle) and one route (with a bicycle symbol).
  • Delete all those waypoints. They should not impact the route at all.
  • Save the file.
  • Open it with a text editor. There should not be any <wpt> tags. There should only be <rte> tags.
By now, you are ready to repeat the same exercise for the remaining portions of your route.

You also need to be aware that City Navigator does not route through trails. It only works on roads. For example, in the sample file you sent me, between waypoints J0C9H01 & J0C9F01, the actual Adventure Cycling route is on a trail. However, that is not possible to create as a route in City Navigator. You had to devise an alternate plan, such ask mark a trailhead waypoint or split the route.

Confirm back when ready. We can work on the campgrounds.

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Looks like I i had to let it acquire the satellite and the route wrapped right on the road. Again I followed all the steps you took in the video. Is this correct? If so I can manipulate my other routes the same way. Afterwards I'd have to setup the waypoints for them.
Post a copy of the GPX file you generated please. I am seeing many waypoints on the picture of your device—not sure why they are there. They are not in the BaseCamp screen capture. Let me take a look. They may be residual on other files that you have to clean up.

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