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GPS Discussion / Re: New Garmin Edge Touring
« on: April 18, 2014, 05:01:00 pm »
I got mine.  You should get yours.  I have 5 garmin devices and this one is by far the best for touring.  The battery is an issue, but my hub dynamo remedies that.
Are any of your other devices in the Edge series? Why do you think the Touring is "by far the best for touring"?

I have found the Edge series works best for me across all my activities. While I do agree with your statement, I am curious what you found appealing in this device.

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In terms of the issue with J07740_48 is this the U-Turn that you were describing? It's West towards Ead's Municipal Airport. My map doesn't show the airport but I believe I identified it as Map 78 on TA section 7.
My reference to the U-turn example was at the end of Route J08870_46.

However, just the same, in the example you post below with Route J07740_48, you notice the route on the paper map continues from 287 directly to 96. However, in BaseCamp, it shows that it travels on 287, W Lowell Avenue, then loops on CR40, before it continues on 96.

These will not got you lost. They may just be minor nuances along the way. Verify your route against the paper maps.

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But can you help me with assuring this is the correct routes' following and connecting to the next.
The only assurance I can give you is to make sure you have the paper maps with you. Regularly, validate your location on the GPS versus the paper maps.

That said, your routes look good. Consider renaming them in the order of travel. My earlier notes still stand. For example, in this latest file, I find:
  • Route J08870_46, towards the western end, it continues west on route 156, only to make a U-turn and then travel north.
  • What is J06700.ADDED.01? Is that a spur for a site visit that you are planning?
  • Route J06730 1.ADDED.02 is identical to route J06730_49. Why have both?
You may have your reasons for doing them that way. They are not as obvious to me.

However, even with these comments, I think you will be fine for the majority of the route. Keep the paper maps as a close reference.

  • When I'm done editing what I need from them should I export and take the <rte> <rte/> out in the files?
When you export the waypoints, there should not be any <rte> tags in the file. If you are seeing them, then something is going wrong in the export process.

In BaseCamp, select the folder you want to export, for example Campgrounds. From the menu bar, select Export "Campgrounds". The result file should contain only the waypoints you have in the Campgrounds folder. Are you seeing different results?

  • Should I contain them in one folder or as named (Campgrounds, Restaurants, Bike Shops, etc)?
That is up to you. This is only for organization purpose in BaseCamp. This way you can decide to use all or part of them.

However, once they are on the GPS device, it will not make a difference what folder they were in, or what GPX file they are stored in.

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From there, I would like to get to New Haven Connecticut to take the Farmington Canal Trail to Northampton. Does anyone know this trail? It seems like a pretty direct route, though it doesn't sound like it is all paved and that could be problematic.
Yes, this is all paved. This includes both the sections from New Haven to Cheshire and the one from Farmington to Westfield. There may be a few short sections of the Farmington Canal Trail on hard packed dirt that I am forgetting. I only remember that the entire route was very pleasant (made a short video of it).

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Will the GPS be able to read the files from the SD on the route automatically or do I need to load them for each route I start?
The GPS device will look for routes & waypoints in its internal memory & on the SD card.

I usually save all data on the SD card leaving the internal memory free. I then have another SD card identical to the first as a backup.

Also will this give me turn by turn directions? Yesterday I rode 30miles to test out a local route and it prompted me to turn correctly on my route.
The routes that you charted should give you navigation prompts. This is an excellent idea that you are practicing some rides in your neighborhood ahead of the trip.

Do not make the routes too long. Keep them in small chunks as you had sent them to me earlier. The eTrex 30 will take routes with a very small number of route points (I believe only up to 50).

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In terms of the waypoints, is the Route and Services GPS Waypoints the appropriate download on the AC site?
Yes:
  • Download the file from Adventure Cycling web site.
  • Import it into BaseCamp as is.
  • Create a new folder (New List) in BaseCamp under My Collection to store the waypoints you want to use.
  • You may create multiple folders for food, lodging, and services. Organize this information as you see fit.
  • Drag & drop the waypoints from the bottom left list onto the new folder. Select only the waypoints you want to use on the road.
Remember:
  • The waypoints with a small solid circle next to them are not for services. These are route markers that you do not need.
  • The eTrex can only process 2,000 waypoints at a time. To store more than that keep them all on separate micro SD cards. Use each card with the appropriate coverage area.
  • Save the waypoints on the SD card instead of the device. This allows you to release the memory when you replace the card.
You can set proximity alarms for multiple waypoints at once:
  • Select one of the folder you created.
  • Select all the waypoints within that folder.
  • From the menu bar, select Edit > Get Info.
  • From the new small window, select Advanced.
  • Enter the distance from the waypoint that you want to receive the alert at in the Proximity field.
  • You should now see small red circles around the waypoints in the map of BaseCamp
Export the waypoints:
  • Select one of the folder you created.
  • From the menu bar, select File > Export <folder name>.
  • Save the file to the SD card.

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However, I now need to add the Waypoints. Do I do this using the same method for the route? If you can guide me through, I'd really appreciate it...
Of course. We shall work on the waypoints next.

The long hours in front of BaseCamp seem to have paid off. The route looks good. I have a few clarifying questions about the route:
  • Why three starting points? From the east, the route comes from three branches:
    • Near Allentown, PA: route A02230
    • Near New York City, NY: A22N20_01B, which also travels east instead of west
    • Richmond, VA (A03370_13)
  • Why keep route alternates? There are many areas with multiple options to travel through. For example:
    • Baltimore, MD: A03310_08A versus A43010_08B
    • South of Louisville, KT: J0AC30_31 versus JAAMC1_31A & JAAC31_31B
    • West of Reno, NV: K02120_63A versus K12141_63B
Aside from that, I noticed a few spikes on the route. These indicate to me that some route points are not connected correctly. For example, route J07740_48 near Pueblo, CO:
  • It approaches Pueblo to the west. It makes a U-turn back east briefly before heading south.
  • It continues west, turns north toward the airport, only to make another U-turn back south.
  • In Pueblo, it turns east before looping back west.
Something is not right about these spikes. You may need to experiment with more ways to move or add route points to keep the route continuous.

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Yeah I noticed that too, here is the file... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/82601114/demoJ0CE90.GPX.zip
This is great work. I think you have the route correctly.

The file still has the waypoints. I see many <wpt> tags inside the file when I open it with a text editor. You should remove them. Otherwise, they will take up unnecessary memory from your device:
  • In BaseCamp, import the file
  • In the bottom left window, you will see a long list of waypoints (with a dot symbol and any other symbols that are not a bicycle) and one route (with a bicycle symbol).
  • Delete all those waypoints. They should not impact the route at all.
  • Save the file.
  • Open it with a text editor. There should not be any <wpt> tags. There should only be <rte> tags.
By now, you are ready to repeat the same exercise for the remaining portions of your route.

You also need to be aware that City Navigator does not route through trails. It only works on roads. For example, in the sample file you sent me, between waypoints J0C9H01 & J0C9F01, the actual Adventure Cycling route is on a trail. However, that is not possible to create as a route in City Navigator. You had to devise an alternate plan, such ask mark a trailhead waypoint or split the route.

Confirm back when ready. We can work on the campgrounds.

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Looks like I i had to let it acquire the satellite and the route wrapped right on the road. Again I followed all the steps you took in the video. Is this correct? If so I can manipulate my other routes the same way. Afterwards I'd have to setup the waypoints for them.
Post a copy of the GPX file you generated please. I am seeing many waypoints on the picture of your device—not sure why they are there. They are not in the BaseCamp screen capture. Let me take a look. They may be residual on other files that you have to clean up.

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I'd like to continue working on the gps routes. I feel like I'm almost there.
That is what I was hoping to hear. It is a bit tough learning curve at the beginning. But the final product is beautiful and will be tremendous help once you are out there on the road.

I'm go to give it another shot tonight when I get in and will post results.
Please try to use the TA exactly as shown in the video. The final product should match exactly the sample file I posted for you. Then it is just a matter of repeating the steps for the remaining sections.

I also notice city navigator is a bit slugish in my basecamp and gps. Is that normal.
I am not sure. I suppose this may be because the maps are on the SD card, therefore, there is some data transfer lag.

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I'm getting closer and closer to my trip and can't believe I'm still struggling with this.
I assume you have the paper maps, correct? They should be your primary source for navigation. Meanwhile, we shall find a way to get you some GPS navigation that will help you.

The current GPX file formats you are downloading are indeed due for an upgrade. In fact, Adventure Cycling is rolling out improved digital navigation formats. They are being put to the test on the Northern Tier this year.

I've attached a zipped file of the route exported.
I found the following in the file you sent me:
  • It still contains waypoints. In the video instructions I posted earlier, the first step was to remove the waypoints. Otherwise, they will take memory from your device and confuse the route.
  • The route does follow roads, only not the intended ones. It spikes in and out of the main route. In the video I show how to move the route points slightly to match the intended route per the paper map.
  • This sample file is not for TransAmerica route. This is from Atlantic Coast route Section 4 near Suffolk, VA. The video instructions to download and edit the TransAmerica, including reversing it to go east to west as will be your first leg of the tour.
Where there are unclear instructions or steps in the video that you need help with, post them here. Otherwise, the end product should be identical to the result file from the video.

The alternate option is to use these digital files almost as is, with little manipulation. They will remain as straight lines. You will not receive turn prompts. However, when you look at them on the device, you will remain fairly close to the line, giving you some assurance that you are on the right route.

Do you prefer to go with this easier option? Or do you want to give the routes another try?

Once we finish with the route, we will set you up with the campgrounds. They should be much easier to manage.

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Also in terms of naming the routes in the order I prefer, would it effect the code in the GPX file as it would be named different.
No. No impact on the GPX file content or its performance. This is just a label to the file. You should be able to use it as is.

The route on the gps displays the campsites and other intrest that match Basecamp. However, the roads are still aren't identical.
Something is definitely not right. The eTrex is showing straight lines compared with curved ones following the road on BaseCamp.

My recommendation is split the effort of creating the route from the waypoints for campgrounds & other services.

I will focus the discussion below on getting you ready with the routes. Once we have those ready and transferred to your eTrex, we shall proceed to getting you the waypoints as well. You can place multiple .gpx files in your device. It will process them as one. You do not have to combine all data in one file.

To make sure we are starting cleanly on your device, please remove all files in the GPX directory:
  • Connect the eTrex to your computer via the USB cable
  • Two new storage devices should appear: one for the eTrex and the other for the micro SD card
  • Navigate to /garmin/gpx folder in both storage devices
  • Make a backup copy of all files in that directory
  • Remove all files from that directory
  • As I believe you are using a Mac, you need to empty trash to make sure these files are removed from the devices
We shall start with Section 12 of TransAmerica. Manipulate it per earlier discussion and as describe in the video.

What is the result? Did it work for you?

When done, highlight the route as you finished it, select File from the menu, select Export <route name>, and save a copy on your computer. Post a copy of that file somewhere (such as Dropbox) where I can download and review it.

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I have another issue. Not sure why the route isn't being displayed as it is in basecamp here...
The two screens are showing two different map sets: BaseCamp is showing the "Global Map" while the eTrex is showing City Navigator. They do not match.

Switch BaseCamp to show City Navigator. It should then match the eTrex.

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I want to be able to scroll down from route to route in consecutively. In other words, how do I set the route up in my direction of travel?
Congratulations. You made it.

Order of routes is according to their names, alphabetically. Change the name. You can do that in the properties window. In the screen capture, you have a window open on the top right, labelled A02240. There is a field at the top of that window with the route name. Change it to 01 or whatever you like to indicate your order preference.

Voilà.

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My question is if I click on a campground can I just set up a proximity alarm for it to notify my as I'm approaching. If so how would I enter that information.
See our earlier exchange about setting up proximity alarms in this topic.

Also I noticed that the route goes West to East. In inverting the route to go East to West I noticed that it would change course. is this normal, should I leave it or drag the routes waypoints the way I want them?
BaseCamp in this case is recalculating the route. You will then have to go through the exercise discussed earlier and shown on the videos.

Alternatively, you can set the map from the menu bar to "Global Map". This map does not have routing information. When you reverse the route, it will keep as is, only reversing direction. Note again that these straight lines will not give you turn prompts at intersections.

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