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General Discussion / Re: How do you like the new forum?
« on: January 11, 2009, 09:10:20 pm »
It seems to be exactly the same as the previous forum.  How is it any different?  The light blue text is slightly harder to read and it takes a little longer to log on to post a message. ::)
The content is the same as the old forum as it was all converted over to run in the new software. The old software often locked up and cause errors as well as slowed down the entire adventure cycling website. The old forum software was nine years old and no longer developed and impossible to get support for. The search feature rarely worked and we received a lot of complaints about the forum in general.

The new software is current and well developed. It is a full featured and I hope will provide a better experience for everyone using it. Sorry that your initial impressions were not good but I hope that they change over time.

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General Discussion / Re: How do you like the new forum?
« on: January 11, 2009, 02:21:47 pm »
Answer my own ? How do i post Image -Image>Additional Options>Attach>
Hi Jim,
There are two ways that you can add a image to a message on the forum. One way is preferred over the other but both options are available. The first way is what you mentioned above. Images can be uploaded from your computer as attachments to the thread and displayed that way. This is a less preferable as we have a limited amount of storage space on the server so we need to limit the size and type of attachments.

The other option is to link to an image already hosted on the internet. There are a number of photo sites where you can place images to then link to on the internet or you can use your own personal web space that often comes with an internet account. Once the image is on the internet somewhere you can add it to the thread. An example would be if I wanted to show the current Photo of the Week from the Adventure Cycling website I would do the following:
1. Bring up the desired image in your web browser.
2. Right click, or control click on the mac, on the image and choose properties. Look for the url or location. For this example it is http://www.adventurecycling.org/weeklyphoto/595.jpg
3. In the message that you are composing look for the insert image icon. It is the second on the second row and if you hover over it a tooltip will appear that says, "Insert image".
4. Enter the url into the dialog and press ok.

The image should appear.

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General Discussion / Re: How do you like the new forum?
« on: January 11, 2009, 02:06:25 pm »
How do you like the new forum?

I like it! Fast and does not stall. John Sieber, was it you who chose and installed the SMF software? Good going. I expect it saves you a deal of grief.

Members: this forum has many more options and features than we are used to. If it seems bewildering, give yourself a couple of days to get familiar with navigating it.
Hi Fred,
I did choose the SMF software to replace the old cfforum software that the forum was running on since its beginning. I've been wanting to move the forums over to this software for a long time so it was nice that the time became available to get it done. I'm hoping that the new features and better performance will help to grow the community and make this an even better resource of information on bicycle travel.

There are a lot of new features so if anyone has questions or thoughts this thread is a good place for them. I'll try to keep an eye on it and answer what I can. Sorry that it took so long to get this done.
-John

124
Cycling Events / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:12:16 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

125
Bike Clubs / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:10:34 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

126
Underground Railroad / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:10:03 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

127
Classifieds / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:08:50 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

128
Urban Cycling / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:07:52 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

129
Youth Bicyle Travel / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:07:08 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

130
Gear Talk / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:06:29 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

131
GPS Discussion / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:05:02 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

132
Connecting ACA Routes / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:04:06 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

133
Routes / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:03:22 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

134
General Discussion / Adventure Cycling Forum Rules and Etiquette
« on: January 09, 2009, 12:30:08 pm »
ADVENTURE CYCLING FORUM ETIQUETTE
Adventure Cycling Association maintains this user-to-user forum for the benefit of all. There are some common-sense rules to follow that help make using the forum a pleasant experience for everyone.

1. Be gentle with newbies.
2. Read before you post.
3. Stay on topic.
4. Be professional; avoid flames or profanity.
5. When answering, quote sparingly.
6. Please don't cross-post.
7. Please don't create multiple threads.
8. Please don't post more than 2 attachments.
9. Posting of pirating information is prohibited.
10. No advertising or solicitation, please.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

1. BE GENTLE WITH NEWBIES!
Remember, everyone was a beginner at one time! We don't want people to feel intimidated. Some may appear on the forum before having read these guidelines, so give people a break if they don't yet know the intricacies of online etiquette.

If you don't have the patience to point them politely toward the posting guidelines, please ignore them and let somebody who does have patience answer them.

If posters get seriously out-of-hand with regard to consideration of the forum community, it will usually get the attention of an Adventure Cycling administrator. The administrator can take appropriate measures for chronically abusive people.

2. READ BEFORE YOU POST
Please make an effort to scan the last few days' posts to see if your question has already been asked and answered. Much of the traffic on the forum consists of the same questions asked frequently. You're very likely to find your answer quickly, and it is a courtesy to others on the forum.

3. STAY ON TOPIC
We don't want to be so stuffy that we frown on every humorous or side comment, but let's try to keep the traffic reasonable.

Adding OT: or Off-topic to the subject is the standard, accepted way of posting side comments. That way people in a hurry may avoid the post if they wish.

It's preferable to avoid perpetuating off-topic threads.

4. BE PROFESSIONAL -- AVOID FLAMES OR PROFANITY.
If you do feel the need to be critical, make it constructive criticism. If you're addressing the behavior in the forum, do address the behavior, not the person. Personal attacks (flame wars) are bad form. Ask yourself: would you say the same thing if you were face-to-face in person?

Avoid profanity: you know what the words are. If most people wouldn't say it in front of their mothers, it doesn't belong in this forum. Even posts which are not flames and which may contain great technical information may be removed because of offensive language.

Remember: you can have a sense of humor, but maintain a professional tone. Your friends may be reading the forum, and there's no sense in giving them the impression you're too temperamental to ride with!

5. WHEN ANSWERING, QUOTE SPARINGLY
When replying to a post, it is often advantageous to quote sections of the original post. However, quoting an entire message can be excessive. Save other people time and bandwidth by quoting only enough to make clear what you are responding to.

6. PLEASE DON'T CROSS-POST
Most people read more than one forum. Please don't make them read your post more than once.

7. PLEASE DON'T CREATE MULIPLE THREADS
Asking the same question in the same forum in a short time can actually work against you. The thread can't be tracked as easily, and some forum members will be so annoyed that they may use their newsreader's filter so they won't see your future posts.

Keep in mind that folks in the forum answer questions out of their own goodwill, so an immediate answer may not be forthcoming.

Urgent technical questions may be directed to Adventure Cycling

8. PLEASE DON'T POST MORE THAN 2 ATTACHMENTS
Please be courteous and do not post attachments unless necessary. Not everyone's browser is equipped to handle attachments, and not everyone has unlimited usage, high-speed internet connections. Some people even have to pay a per-minute connection fee, often for low-bandwidth connections!

If you want people to see your images, it is better to post a URL where others can download them at their leisure. Most ISPs provide a small amount of space for a personal web site, and there are even a few free web hosting sites available.

While you're at it, please try to post in plain test (ASCII) rather than HTML or rich text.

9. POSTING OF PIRATING INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED
Adventure Cycling Association neither condones nor supports copyright infringement. Posts containing copyright information, whether belonging to Adventure Cycling or not, will be removed.

10. NO ADVERTISING OR SOLICITATION PLEASE!
Adventure Cycling Association reserves the right to remove any posts. Posts identified as SPAM will be deleted without notice.

135
Gear Talk / BOB Suspension or Not
« on: January 11, 2007, 07:12:59 pm »
This article might help.


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