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GPS Discussion / Re: How do you use the Adventure Cycling GPS waypoints?
« on: August 14, 2012, 11:00:46 am »
And how do Jenn and the crew do this in a production environment? "With an xslt processor" will not cut it. They need a maintained, documented, supported program to perform the task every week

If this becomes desirable I can set the crew up with a maintained, documented and supported xslt processor, and the transform that does what they need.  There are many freely available, they may already have one installed and not know it, e.g. xsltproc is in included in mac os x snow leopard and many other linux distributions.  I would need to know what operating system(s) they use.

A disadvantage of including
3. Routepoints created by Garmin software when told to navigate following roads. Garmain calls these mapoints in their user interface, and rpt in the GPX file.
may be the gpx file size.

GPS Discussion / Re: How do you use the Adventure Cycling GPS waypoints?
« on: August 14, 2012, 06:07:40 am »

Let's talk about an example from AC01v007.gpx.    We have wpt elements from the gpx schema.   We have rtept elements from the gpx schema.  The rtept elements may contain RoutePointExtension elements, defined in the GpxExtensions schema.  The RoutePointExtension elements may contain rpt elements from the GpxExtensions schema.  I believe by
additional intermediate routepoints
you mean the rpt elements from the GpxExtensions schema, show as gpxx:rpt below.

Code: [Select]
<rtept lat="44.4350200" lon="-68.9465600">
      <cmt>US 1 &amp; SR 3 bend</cmt>
      <desc>US 1 &amp; SR 3 bend</desc>
        <gpxx:RoutePointExtension xmlns:gpxx="" xmlns:xsi="" xsi:schemaLocation="">
          <gpxx:rpt lat="44.4350504" lon="-68.9464883">
          <gpxx:rpt lat="44.4352770" lon="-68.9466763">
          <gpxx:rpt lat="44.4349766" lon="-68.9485216"/>
          <gpxx:rpt lat="44.4349337" lon="-68.9489079"/>
          <gpxx:rpt lat="44.4345474" lon="-68.9515257"/>

As you indicated we also have wpt elements from the gpx schema that are used in two different ways.  A012E0 is used to mark a point of interest, while A012C0 is used to mark a turn on a route.  Note that the previous example had a rtept A012C0 corresponding to the wpt A012C0.

Code: [Select]
  <wpt lat="44.4350200" lon="-68.9465600">
    <cmt>US 1 &amp; SR 3 bend</cmt>
    <desc>US 1 &amp; SR 3 bend</desc>
      <gpxx:WaypointExtension xmlns:gpxx="" xmlns:xsi="" xsi:schemaLocation="">

  <wpt lat="44.4295910" lon="-68.9739490">
    <cmt>Moorings Oceanfront RV Resort CG</cmt>
    <desc>Moorings Oceanfront RV Resort CG</desc>
      <gpxx:WaypointExtension xmlns:gpxx="" xmlns:xsi="" xsi:schemaLocation="">

It would be easy to separate all the wpt elements from all the rtept elements.  gpsbabel can do this, or it could be done with a xslt processor.
It would be easy to delete the rpt elements with a xslt processor.
To separate the two usages of wpt elements, we would need to make some assumptions about how to distinguish them, e.g. the included sym element is either Waypoint or something else. Note the sym element is optional.  You indicated you have a way to do this, but I am not sure what you had in mind.

Given this example, can you reword your question to include the specific element types you would like to separate?
The Garmin mapping software and most GPS receivers--but not the Edge series--when told to navigate by following roads, will calculate additional intermediate routepoints to show the path along the roads. I do not know any way to separate these routepoints from the waypoints except the manual editing of the GPX file that you described earlier. If you know a program that can do this, please let us know too.

GPS Discussion / Re: How do you use the Adventure Cycling GPS waypoints?
« on: August 09, 2012, 12:17:38 pm »
I use the gps data, including the waypoints and routepoints, to create online maps and google earth files showing the ACA routes.  These are available at  Personally I use these in the winter to get ideas about next summers ride.  Its nice to have the waypoint data so you can scan for campgrounds and imagine how the days might break up.  Once I have the ride selected then its off the the ACA store for good old paper.  No newfangled navigation for me on the bike!

My process for generating these files is up and running, so to make it easiest on me don't change too much!  Actually, if the waypoint + routepoint data is available I can probably adapt.

I don't care about the waypoint/routepoint names, rename them as you wish.  I don't rename them myself.

I certainly display the ACA routes using the routepoints supplied, but I am not sure if you mean something different by "sample routes".

Jennifer, enjoy your ride in Colorado.

General Discussion / Re: Cyclists Only Campground
« on: August 02, 2012, 06:40:57 am »
If you are on the trans am or lewis and clark don't miss the one in twin bridges, it is quite nice.

Routes / Re: Ideas from San Fran??? End of tour advice needed please.
« on: July 30, 2012, 04:15:08 pm »
After all those miles you are ready for sonora pass.  It is exceptionally beautiful.

Utah canyon country can be very hot this time of year.

We stayed at the church the night of 7/18/2012.  Apparently they had multiple incidents that led to this decision.

This was posted:




The rules were also posted.  Apparently some cyclists violated the rules or common courtesy.  If you feel you may have been responsible I urge you to contact Pastor Brent and apologize and make amends.

Dear bicyclists,
First Baptist Church of Jeffrey City, Wyoming is pleased to have you stay with us!  Please keept the helpful information and rules on this page in mind.  Doing so will allow you, your fellow cyclists, and those who may come after you to continue to enjoy having a place of shelter while traveling this leg of the journey!  Thank you and enjoy your stay!

1. While there are no showers available, hot and cold running water is available in the restrooms, and you may take a sponge bath should you so choose.  Please remember to turn off the water, and to clean up after yourself.
2. The kitchen is fully functional, with a refrigerator, stove, and microwave.  Please remember to clean up after yourself.  There is hot and cold water available in the kitchen sink.
3. Should you wish to check you email or post your travel pictures to the internet, wifi services are available.  The SSID for this service is XXXX, and the passphrase is XXXX. ... Please be considerate of others and remember that bandwidth is limited.  In light of this, please do not abuse this privilege by watching videos on Netflix, YouTube, etc.  Any use of wifi to view pornography, or to engage in any activity that you would imagine a Pastor or curch would frown upon, is prohibited.  While we have no way of monitoring your online activity, God can clearly see what you're up to.  You're on the honor system.

1. No drugs, alcohol, or any related paraphenalia is allowed on church property.
2. The items that are being stored in the church basement are being stored here temporarily, and are the personal property of the Pastor and his family.  These items are NOT to be disturbed under any circumstances, or for any reason (including trying to "tidy up" to be helpful).  Please keep in mind this simple motto: "IF IT DOESN"T BELONG TO YOU, LEAVE IT ALONE."
3. Please turn off the lights when leaving a room.
4. Please turn off the water.
5. If you make a mess, please clean it up.  This is not a motel, and there is no housekeeping staff.
6. If you move it, please put it back.
7. If you open it, please close it.
8. If you turn it on, please turn if off.
9. If you break it, please fix it.  If you can't fix it, report it to someone who can.  If you do fix it, please report it anyway.
10. The main gym area of the basement is where bicyclist are to camp.  The other rooms (other than the bathrooms) contain nothing that would be of any interest to you during your stay with us, so we ask that your please leave them undisturbed.  The sanctuary upstairs is where we hold our church services, and is not provided as an area for sleeping or lodging.  Unless a guest is going upstairs to join us for services, there is no need to go upstairs.
11. Please do not litter.  Take only pictures and leave only footprints.
12. Please leave things in at least as good a condition as they were when you arrived.

Should you desire to leave a donation for the church, please drop it in one of the cup holders on the treadmill on the south wall of the basement gym area.

Its not suicide, but heat exhaustion and heat stroke are definite possibilities, especially if your are unlucky, unprepared, and ignorant of the desert.  We rode the western express in July once, temps up to 115.  Rode a lot at night.  many 85 miles stretches without any services or water.  We carried up to 2 gallons of water each.  You route would cross but wouldn't be on the western express, but I would expect plenty of heat and long stretches without services.  I really liked the WE but I don't think I would be at all tempted by the Jackson to LA route you mentioned.

Another idea is to get to the Oregon coast any way possible (ride,fly,bus,hitch ?) and ride the coast to LA.  Extremely beautiful.  State parks with hiker/biker sites abound.   Some wind like WY, but it should be blowing south! 

Or your original plan.

Best Wishes whatever you decide,

General Discussion / Re: My TA has begun
« on: May 04, 2012, 03:22:57 pm »

Congratulations on reaching Colorado.  If you decide to head uphill from Cortez some of the most beautiful mountains in the state await you, lizard head on 145 or molas,  coal bank, red mountain on 550.  Best wishes whatever way you choose.


Routes / Re: Northern Tier: Change of route May 2012
« on: April 30, 2012, 10:46:28 am »

The revised GPS data for sections 3 and 4 are now included in the download at the web site.

You can look at on online map or download a google earth version of the revised northern tier at

Routes / Northern Tier is intact again
« on: April 20, 2012, 04:28:10 pm »
ACA has updated the northern tier route, and it is once again contiguous.  Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.

You can see the entire route including the changes in North Dakota here:

Gear Talk / Re: Need a large lightweight bag
« on: April 14, 2012, 01:31:45 pm »
You may want to consider checking your bike, with any bits that you can't carry on, e.g. a knife, and carrying on the rest.  we usually put one nearly empty front pannier in the box with the bike holding the restricted items.  be sure to tie the pannier to the bike in case the box gets ripped.  We usually put the tent poles and blue foam sleeping pad in the bike box also.  Don't overstuff the bike box, try to keep it as light as you can.  Then we carry on the other front pannier, and the two back panniers snapped together. we stuff our sleeping bags and tent into one of the panniers.   wear your helmet.  wear your bike shoes.  wear your coat.   you may be at the carry on limit, but we have never had a problem.   we evolved to this system after years of putting the panniers in their own box and checking them.  the only trick is finding a bike box for the return flight.

General Discussion / Re: Campgrounds and bear boxes
« on: March 15, 2012, 05:39:01 am »
Certainly not.  There are fairly common, but not ubiquitous, in the Canadian and U.S. National parks.  One of the campgrounds on the icefields parkway we stayed at didn't have boxes, but they did have cables rigged to a high crossbar that worked just as well.  Also be aware that not all the campgrounds on the icefields parkway have drinking water, we had to filter ours at some.  The icefields parkway is fantastic, we tried to ride extra slow to make it last longer.  Outside the national parks, even in Montana, boxes are rare and you will need to fend for yourself.  We got by fine with a rope that weighed a lot less than two pounds.

WE is a great route, but be prepared for serious heat and lack of support and water.  115 degrees when we did it one summer.  I remember hearing weather reports that Phoenix was even hotter.

General Discussion / Re: overseas travel
« on: March 05, 2012, 01:17:36 pm »
The airlines will sell a bike box to anyone who wants one.

Russ,  As far as I can tell airlines selling bike boxes was something from the good old days.  Do you know of any airlines that still sell bike boxes?  I haven't got a box from an airline since the mid 1990s.  It sure made things easier on the return leg, although we often found that they wouldn't have any when we got to the airport to pick them up.  If I am just looking at the wrong airlines I sure would appreciate knowing it.

Routes / Re: Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes
« on: March 01, 2012, 12:33:21 pm »
Be prepared for some very steep sections going over Dobson.

Well that settles it.  We managed Sonora Pass a few times fully loaded, I welcome the steep!  Bruce put some good gears on our bikes, front/rear = 22/30 and 22/32.

Routes / Re: Trail of the Coeur d'Alenes
« on: March 01, 2012, 06:40:55 am »
Thanks to everyone for their ideas and information.  I am intrigued by the Lewiston grade commuter mentioned, a.k.a. the old spiral highway,_Idaho#Highways.  I may have to turn this trip around and go east so we can climb this (and have much more favorable winds along the Columbia).

For future reference Rick Shaffer, the "Prime Minister" of the Friends of the Coeur d'Alene Trails had the following ideas. You can reach him through

Ideas- take Rte 200 from Missoula to Paradise to Thompson Falls; come over the divide to Murray and Rte 456 over Dobson Pass to Wallace which is 7 miles in from the e trailhead of the Trail of the Cdlens.   All good road.

#2 per my knowledge, you can get most of the way from Missoula to St. Regis on the frontage road Along I-90.  Then take the 17 mile ride to Paradise and follow the above.

If you have tires that will take dirt, u can go all almost all the way from St. Regis to the Silver Valley on a frontage road.

Also from St. Regis, you can take a great ride over Gold Creek Pass to Avery – St. Marys.

More- after doing the trail of the Coeur d’Alenes; you can ride up 95 to Coeur d’Alene and jump on the bi state Centennial Trail into Spokane.

Of course, wider tires allow for more options.

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