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Routes / Re: Sierra Cascades Piedra route mystery.
« on: November 26, 2011, 11:29:24 am »
Disclaimer:  I live in Tulsa and only did my analysis using Google Maps so you get what you pay for  ;D

Since you provide only limited info to go on, if I had to guess, you would find the bridge at the GPS coordinates of 36.818823,-119.341822 .  Copy and paste the coordinates into Google Maps and see the satellite view.  It shows a narrow bridge that has closed (see the white barrier on the SE side of the bridge).  The road (Pine Flat Rd.) leads to what appears as a campground on the south side of Kings River SE of the bridge that crosses the river below the dam.  The bridge crosses Mill Creek which is a tributary of Kings River.  From your picture, the bridge doesn't appear to cross a river but a stream.

My guess is after the store, you went left and crossed over the river to the park for lunch then went east Elwood Rd to Pine Flat Rd (the one on the south side of the river).  It appears you should have taken the Pine Flat Rd on the north side of the river (via Trimmer Springs Rd) then crossed the river at the COE office.

If you think this is wrong (remember my disclaimer!), it would help if you could give more detailed info as to how you got there.  For instance, if leaving the park we turned right onto Piedra Rd. then left onto Elwood Rd.  The bridge we know was before "X" and after "Y".

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Routes / Re: Milwaukee, WI to Jasper NP
« on: November 25, 2011, 02:08:33 pm »
Hello Lindsey,

The maps are wonderful.  They are geared specifically for cyclists showing all the info you need, i.e. where food, camping, elevation profile, turn by turn description, etc. are located.  I have used them for decades and rarely have a gripe with them.  Be sure to look at the addendum before/during your trek as small town stores close and open with regularity.

Hope you have a great trip!

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Routes / Re: Southern tier
« on: November 25, 2011, 01:58:32 pm »
Depending on what direction you are headed, I would think you could handle the NT if going west bound.  There are a few noteworthy hills in New England then relatively flat until Glacier National Park in Montana.  From there, you get the typical western Rocky topography, i.e. long ups and downs.  If going westbound, you should be in pretty strong shape by then but you will have battled some headwinds during the trek.  I did this east bound and only thought western OR and Glacier were the more difficult areas.  Perhaps you could do a "warm up" tour on the San Juan Islands before heading east???

The TransAm is a great route (my favorite ACA route).  However, this route has more sections of noteworthy hills.  I personally think the Ozarks are harder than the Rockies since the hills tend to go over versus around the hills.  The Rockies are overall pretty steady slopes whether going up or down.  Then eastern KY/Western Va is at times a bit of a struggle.  The Rockies in Colorado really aren't that much trouble but the altitude might slow you down.

I have not done the Southern Tier (I plan on doing 1/3 this spring).  The entire eastern half (Austin, TX east) is flat.

I would suggest you look at several journals over on CrazyGuy to see what you think.  I would also suggest that if you did the Atlantic Coast route without difficulty, you would most likely be fine on any of the route IF you were in shape prior to starting.

No matter which route you choose, hope you have a great trip!

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Routes / Re: Suitability mapping?
« on: November 07, 2011, 12:09:54 pm »
Hello Ginny,

If I had know you were going to be there, I would have attended.  None of the PR info mentioned you, just plugged Ron Haldemon again.

If eyes were opened, it would be great.  I met with them when OBC tried to get a grant for developing a US-66 route but they basically said we have no desire or intention of doing anything.  Again, this was the "bike coordinator" and his superior.  Nice people, just not interested in biking.  The same attitude occurred back in the early 80s when Freewheel was going strongly.  They had no desire to help.  The tourism people who helped to try to get the grant were great.  Just our DOT.  Hopefully, they will improve.

Senator Coburn is a love/hate relationship for me.  As a conservative, I like him.  As a biker, I do not.  I spoke to his offices a couple? months ago when he first proposed axing the Transportation Enhancements.  While they understood our (bikers) viewpoints, Sen. Coburn's is that we must cut "unneeded" spending.  Thankfully, his proposal got killed but I hear a different version is up now.  From what I hear, he is not running for re-election so that may be helpful for the biking community.  In either case, I will continue to work in any positive way I can to promote bike tourism, not just for Oklahoma but for all.

Thanks for all YOU do also.

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Routes / Re: Cross Country Dream
« on: November 07, 2011, 09:01:23 am »
Thanks so much for the awesome feedback everyone! We are going to be leaving the last week in June and would actually have a 10 weeks to enjoy the ride.  The main thing motivating us to do the Western Express is this guys journal...
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=RrzKj&doc_id=7318&v=1V0
we would try to take a bunch of side trips to the parks like he did!
were just concerned that it would be too hot to enjoy and opinions?
Why not just ask Wayne directly.  Use the Guestbook section of the journal.  Wayne is a good guy and I would be surprised if he didn't answer your question.  Just be prepared for an answer you don't want to hear.

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Routes / Re: Suitability mapping?
« on: November 06, 2011, 07:14:27 pm »
Heck, I would be happy if "Bicycle/pedestrian" components of projects would be "we put in 6" of shoulder for bicyclists".

In Oklahoma, we pay for our roads with a gas tax.  However, since our tax is one of the lowest in the nation (gas is now as low as $3.07 in parts of metro Tulsa compared to $3.43 nationally) our roads are not the best.  The vast majority of the state highways have no shoulders even if traffic counts are higher.  It is literally sometimes safer to ride a 4k/day AADT road with an 18" shoulder than a 2k/road with no shoulder.  A lot depends on the road, i.e. is it a bedroom-commuter road or just a regular rural highway.

Oklahoma has a lot of diverse scenery and cool historical/cultural places, especially Native American, but it can be a little frustrating at times riding here.  I guess that is why I am so frustrated since we have great stuff and hardly any support.

I will now end my rant :)

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Routes / Re: Suitability mapping?
« on: November 06, 2011, 03:00:04 pm »
Jamawani,

Oklahoma's Bike Coordinator is no longer, at least in any real capacity.  I have met in person with ODOT and they say they don't actually have someone who does anything anymore.  It may have been the actual "coordinator"  but was a couple of years ago so can't quite remember.  I am very well aware of the AADT maps and other resources.  My question was more about trying to force Oklahoma to actually DO something with the federal funds, especially if it is a mandate, or give up the funds.

I have created my own bicycle suitability map by color coordinating the traffic counts, etc.  I, and several others, have even offered to so all the work if they will just publish it.  Even the state tourism department agrees but until ODOT gets around to it (past 2 decades!), nothing is being done.  I am tired of us having crappy resources when, to me, it is so easily corrected.   That is why when a federal mandate was mentioned, I perked up since I thought maybe we could force them to do something.

As far as the OP is concerned, I tour extensively.  I do 2-5 tours multi-week tours every year.  I always go to the state's website looking for "bicycle map" or similar.  I then cross reference with county road maps (if available on-line) and of course, AADT maps, again if on-line.

For instance, I am currently planning multiple trips for next year, Tampa to New Orleans; Jackson, WY to Denver (via Grand Junction); Jackson to Phoenix, Jackson to Portland, Asheville to Baton Rouge, Boston to St. Johns, NF, and others.  I most likely will tour 5-8 weeks next year on mainly self-developed routes (I have literally hundreds).  So, yes, for me, these types of maps are critical.

John

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Routes / Re: Suitability mapping?
« on: November 06, 2011, 01:40:45 am »
The mapping varies considerable by state.
Federal highway legislation for the past 20 years has required multi-modal planning.
That means that states have included bicycle/pedestrian use in their DOTs.
(Sometimes that is 10% a a single person's job description - FWIW)

The results reflect as much.
Oregon's bike map is super - has been since well before the federal mandate.
Arizona's is iffy - their criteria for traffic volume is too high.
Also, states often only consider state highways -
when county roads are nearby which are far preferable.

Caveat emptor.
(Except that the maps are usually free)

What federal mandate?  Oklahoma (where I live) does not have a suitability map and the DOT refuses to produce one even if the grunt work is done by volunteers.



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Routes / Re: biking Belize
« on: October 20, 2011, 04:07:54 pm »
Go over to CrazyGuy and search on Belize.  Several have toured through Belize and most have camped.

Have a great tour!

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Routes / Re: How to reach Yorktown (Transcontinental) by airplane??
« on: September 20, 2011, 02:05:24 pm »
From Dulles, go to Reston, VA (about 5 miles) and get on the W&OD bike path (paved) west to Purcellville.  From there, take back roads to Front Royal.  Avoid US-50 as it is pretty busy.

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Routes / Re: Western Express - Nevada & Utah
« on: August 31, 2011, 06:42:16 pm »
(Nobody in the A.C.A. forums has done this A.C.A. route? :-[)
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While I have done many ACA routes, I have not done this one.  You will find that many more touring cyclists use CrazyGuy.  It seems that people new to touring come here first and then migrate to CrazyGuy for some reason.

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Routes / Re: Western Express - Nevada & Utah
« on: August 31, 2011, 04:31:26 pm »
I would suggest you go over to CrazyGuyOnABike and review this list of journals which go on all or part of the Western Express http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/categories/?o=1r4vFZo&category_id=201&doctype=journal.  You will probably have your question answered.

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Routes / Re: San Diego to Portland
« on: August 27, 2011, 02:18:23 pm »
Sorry for late reply.  I too have done the south to north following the ACA route but back in 1987 so can't comment as to US-1 now.

However, I too would HIGHLY recommend going north to south.  When I did it, it was due to ignorance that I went that direction.  I enjoyed the route but numerous days were very tough.  Mind you, I was 23 at the time and a very strong rider.  Also, I noticed is that I had to continually cross over to the west side (south bound) of the road to get a better view.

You don't say how much time is left on your visa but be sure to ride the Monterrey to San Luis Obispo (or reverse) section.  It is a fantastic section.  You could easily hop Amtrak from San Diego to Salinas (near Monterrey) for as low as $65.

No matter what you do, have a great time!

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Routes / Re: Addenda Confusion
« on: August 25, 2011, 07:55:39 pm »
No matter what, you need to take the addendum with a grain of salt.  I have sent in 6 service changes (motel closed, campground closed, and four stores opening or closing) on their little update postcards in the past 3 years but only 2 have appeared.  I even called on one after not seeing it the following month but it still took another 4 months to appear so it may not have been my notice that caused the appearance.

I love and recommend the maps but in my case at least, the addendum (and ACA's follow up) were severely lacking at times.

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I am like you in that I did the official route.

However, after doing a bit of quick research, I noticed that Phil's route has up to 10 times the traffic according to the Missouri Bike Federation map http://mobikefed.org/files/d10trafficcount.pdf.  You need to enlarge the map a lot to see the numbers.

While MO-32 has a nice shoulder and fairly nice sight lines, it does have traffic averages of over 4,300 to 7,300 cars per day compared to 412 to 786 per day (on narrower more-curvy no-shoulder roads) on the official route.  I love ferries and think Phil's route is a possible alternative but would probably recommend sticking to the original route due to significantly lower traffic counts.  I would rather deal with 16 cars an hour passing me (on average) than 152 even with a shoulder.  

Just my two cents.

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