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General Discussion / Re: [California] SF to SD Biking Trip
« Last post by adventurepdx on July 22, 2014, 12:52:28 pm »
Let's see that is about 110 miles a day.

I don't understand your math here. Using bike directions on google maps, the distance from San Francisco to San Diego is about 620 miles. It'll probably be slightly longer, so it might be more safe to say 700 miles. And the OP has 14 days (two weeks) to do it. Doing the math, I get 50 miles a day, which is pretty manageable for many people touring.
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General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by JonnieCycle on July 22, 2014, 12:41:43 pm »
I don't think they are considering cyclists at all. They set these prices based on big RVs with big boats, and they don't see any need to offer reduced rates for people with smaller footprints.

Got it ...had made the assumption the campsites that had been mentioned catered mainly to cyclists, run by cyclists etc.  So they're just your standard campgrounds ...I get it.
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Aaron at Gravity Sports in McCall called about the riding conditions on the Secesh Option. Basically it is unrideable in a couple of sections due to an excessive amount of downed trees and/or rutted trails:

1) From Twentymile Trailhead to Foolhen Meadows Trailhead - he was out here himself and said it wasn't suited to loaded riding of any kind right now due to the number of trees down. He only got about 5 miles in before he had to turn back.

2) From A to F on the map, in addition to downed trees, the trail is quite rutted - this was reported by cyclists coming into the shop. They had spent hours climbing over the downed trees and were frustrated by the amount they encountered.

Aaron talked to the local forest rangers and they stated it would be at least mid-September before they would have a chance to get in there and clear any of it. Apparently this is common due to the nature of the area.
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General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by John Nelson on July 22, 2014, 12:17:54 pm »
Yeesh...seems like someone figured out cyclists have money.
I don't think they are considering cyclists at all. They set these prices based on big RVs with big boats, and they don't see any need to offer reduced rates for people with smaller footprints.
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General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by JonnieCycle on July 22, 2014, 10:53:31 am »
Some are $50, and they're nothing special. Cost does not seem to correlate with how nice they are.

Yeesh...seems like someone figured out cyclists have money. 
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General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by John Nelson on July 22, 2014, 09:40:31 am »
YIKES ...who'da' thunk camp grounds are $40?
Some are $50, and they're nothing special. Cost does not seem to correlate with how nice they are.
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General Discussion / Re: dogs and security
« Last post by staehpj1 on July 22, 2014, 09:05:55 am »
Good, but I think by the time you start yelling and whistling, the angry dog will have already done his job (biting).
The risk of bites is grossly over rated IMO.  I have ridden hundreds of thousands of miles, many of them back in the 60's when dogs mostly roamed free where I lived.  I was chased on pretty much every ride.  In well over 50 years of riding I have never been bitten by any of the hundreds of dogs that have chased me.  Since I have been touring I can recall very few dogs that I thought wanted anything more than a good chase.
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Routes / Re: Sierra cascade route question
« Last post by Lori Crum on July 22, 2014, 07:23:10 am »
Anybody planning on passing through Siskiyou County (McCloud, Mt Shasta, Gazelle, Grenada, Montague) California who would like to spend some more time in this beautiful area and enjoy any if the many outstanding climbs with screaming fast descents that surround our valley, I can send routes and GPS points.
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Gear Talk / Re: Best foot wear for touring?
« Last post by Mongoeric on July 21, 2014, 10:02:22 pm »
I used Crocks on my last tour. Hard to get lighter, drying not a problem, and certain not to get confused with someone who cars about fashion!
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Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« Last post by Adventure Division on July 21, 2014, 09:41:52 pm »
Derek,

I get these following questions a lot, and was hoping you guys would be able to shed some light: How was riding the Main Route with a cross bike? What tires did you use? Was there any specific point that you felt the Main Route overwhelmed the tires, bikes and pannier setup?

Anyways, I'm Glad you guys had a great ride, and I 2nd breakfast at the Stanley Baking Company and beer at the Galena Lodge!

cgreene,

First off thanks again for creating an awesome route!!!

Overall I thought that the main route was no problem on a cross bike and Christine agrees.  She had previous experience on some 100+ gravel races but I literally only had 20 miles of gravel road biking in my life going into this trip.  Also I've only used a mountain bike once in my life so all I will say is that if you already own a cross bike then it's not necessary to go buy a mountain bike just to use on the main route.

I actually used my exact same bike set up from my 12 day Pacific Coast tour from Portland OR to San Jose CA back in May of this year:  http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/ADPC2014

I stuck with my 32mm Continental Tour Ride Tires which I believe are the same ones that come stock on the Surly Long Haul trucker.  Christine also had 32mm tires with similar tread.

With my setup, I did not have to hike on any portions of the climbs but I definitely had to take rests.  My rear tire would only start slipping on the real steep parts that were sandy.  Christine had to hike with her bike on certain steep parts of the climbs when the dirt road became too crappy.  A nice gentleman we met who had completed the Continental Divide last year was hiking in the real steep spots also.

The sections that had the most washboard and sand were probably the most annoying parts of the ride and I assume that wider tires and shocks would provide a smoother ride.

The downhills were probably the sketchest part for our bike setups especially when hitting sandy spots with decent speed.  I could feel the front tire losing traction in the sand and wanting to slide left or right if I didn't hold my line straight.  For the most part though, this was not an issue on most of the downhills and could easily be avoided by taking it slower on the descents.  My arms were definitely tired after the real bumpy downhill parts and shocks would probably help eliminate some of that stress.

Long story short....  We had no problems using our cross bikes with rear panniers and 32mm tires on the main route.

Just stay off the Toll Road :)
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