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General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by JonnieCycle on July 22, 2014, 10:53:31 am »
Some are $50, and they're nothing special. Cost does not seem to correlate with how nice they are.

Yeesh...seems like someone figured out cyclists have money. 
General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by John Nelson on July 22, 2014, 09:40:31 am »
YIKES ...who'da' thunk camp grounds are $40?
Some are $50, and they're nothing special. Cost does not seem to correlate with how nice they are.
General Discussion / Re: dogs and security
« Last post by staehpj1 on July 22, 2014, 09:05:55 am »
Good, but I think by the time you start yelling and whistling, the angry dog will have already done his job (biting).
The risk of bites is grossly over rated IMO.  I have ridden hundreds of thousands of miles, many of them back in the 60's when dogs mostly roamed free where I lived.  I was chased on pretty much every ride.  In well over 50 years of riding I have never been bitten by any of the hundreds of dogs that have chased me.  Since I have been touring I can recall very few dogs that I thought wanted anything more than a good chase.
Routes / Re: Sierra cascade route question
« Last post by Lori Crum on July 22, 2014, 07:23:10 am »
Anybody planning on passing through Siskiyou County (McCloud, Mt Shasta, Gazelle, Grenada, Montague) California who would like to spend some more time in this beautiful area and enjoy any if the many outstanding climbs with screaming fast descents that surround our valley, I can send routes and GPS points.
Gear Talk / Re: Best foot wear for touring?
« Last post by Mongoeric on July 21, 2014, 10:02:22 pm »
I used Crocks on my last tour. Hard to get lighter, drying not a problem, and certain not to get confused with someone who cars about fashion!
Routes / Re: Idaho Hot Springs Mountain Bike Route
« Last post by Adventure Division on July 21, 2014, 09:41:52 pm »

I get these following questions a lot, and was hoping you guys would be able to shed some light: How was riding the Main Route with a cross bike? What tires did you use? Was there any specific point that you felt the Main Route overwhelmed the tires, bikes and pannier setup?

Anyways, I'm Glad you guys had a great ride, and I 2nd breakfast at the Stanley Baking Company and beer at the Galena Lodge!


First off thanks again for creating an awesome route!!!

Overall I thought that the main route was no problem on a cross bike and Christine agrees.  She had previous experience on some 100+ gravel races but I literally only had 20 miles of gravel road biking in my life going into this trip.  Also I've only used a mountain bike once in my life so all I will say is that if you already own a cross bike then it's not necessary to go buy a mountain bike just to use on the main route.

I actually used my exact same bike set up from my 12 day Pacific Coast tour from Portland OR to San Jose CA back in May of this year:

I stuck with my 32mm Continental Tour Ride Tires which I believe are the same ones that come stock on the Surly Long Haul trucker.  Christine also had 32mm tires with similar tread.

With my setup, I did not have to hike on any portions of the climbs but I definitely had to take rests.  My rear tire would only start slipping on the real steep parts that were sandy.  Christine had to hike with her bike on certain steep parts of the climbs when the dirt road became too crappy.  A nice gentleman we met who had completed the Continental Divide last year was hiking in the real steep spots also.

The sections that had the most washboard and sand were probably the most annoying parts of the ride and I assume that wider tires and shocks would provide a smoother ride.

The downhills were probably the sketchest part for our bike setups especially when hitting sandy spots with decent speed.  I could feel the front tire losing traction in the sand and wanting to slide left or right if I didn't hold my line straight.  For the most part though, this was not an issue on most of the downhills and could easily be avoided by taking it slower on the descents.  My arms were definitely tired after the real bumpy downhill parts and shocks would probably help eliminate some of that stress.

Long story short....  We had no problems using our cross bikes with rear panniers and 32mm tires on the main route.

Just stay off the Toll Road :)
General Discussion / Re: Touring on carbon
« Last post by froze on July 21, 2014, 08:46:06 pm »
Why quit at 8? no reason to do that! 

Shake apart?  The only bike I heard of that "shook" apart was the original CF bike the Exxon Graftek which really did not shake apart the bonding glue they used didn't worked like they hoped to. Trek had some issues with their Y Foil 66 and 77 series of road bikes but that was again the bonding of the aluminum BB shell into the carbon fiber shell would not hold up.  It seems like the glue or bonding process was the culprit of the earlier CF bikes which in some cases, especially the cheap generic Chinese CF bike can still have issues with the BB shell coming unbonded from the CF frame.  Other then those issues the carbon frame bikes of earlier years broke tubes because the bonded joint was stronger than the frame itself.
General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by JonnieCycle on July 21, 2014, 08:09:03 pm »
Hey guys - (RE: van) ...yup a darn good idea ... have actually been running it through my head for a while, but from an RV perspective - however, didn't want to sink that much $$$$ into it figured maybe do it in reverse - start out with the bike  & tent, camping - then do the RV thing... downside is in the end you're still sinking money into the thing.  But perhaps a simple van might work (older one's oughta' be cheap.) ... and YIKES ...who'da' thunk camp grounds are $40?  Part of me wonders about simply finding a thicket of woods and doing what those ice-climbers or hunters do - hoisting your sleeping platform up a tall tree (along with your bike).
General Discussion / Re: dogs and security
« Last post by Westinghouse on July 21, 2014, 07:52:02 pm »
I have bicycle toured about 39,000 miles through 19 countries. Only a few times have I encountered extremely vicious dogs, I mean dogs that would really kill you, and two of those were in east Europe in 1994. And I assure you those dogs deserved being shot. You had to be there to see it. It was like something out of a horror movie. If there is a serious attack, animal or man, you have the right to use lethal force if you fear for your life, in Florida anyway.
General Discussion / Re: Can live/work wherever I want - why not on a bike?
« Last post by JDFlood on July 21, 2014, 07:48:45 pm »
The van is good. Bring your bike!
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