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Gear Talk / Re: saddles and sores
« Last post by paddleboy17 on June 17, 2016, 05:04:21 pm »

You skimmed when you should have read.

A few years back, I participated in an event ride, and I rode my beloved Paramount, aka the zippy fast bike.  15 miles into a 65 mile ride, a torrential ride dumped an amazing quantity of rain in 20 minutes.  There was indeed a rooster tail of water, and while I did have a saddlebag, my saddle did get really wet too.  I have always used proof hide on the top and bottom of the saddle.  By the end of the ride, I could hardly believe the damage done to my saddle.   Once the saddle dried out naturally, a week later I might add, I was able to retention the saddle and take up most of the stretch.  There are few disturbing looking stretch marks, that have not done any lasting damage.  If the saddle ever gets wet like his again though, it will be a lost cause. 

The amount of moisture coming off of my backside spread over the area of my backside is trivial.
Gear Talk / Re: saddles and sores
« Last post by RussSeaton on June 17, 2016, 04:26:06 pm »
It is not my damp shorts that I worry about.

You're worrying about the wrong thing.  Very common.  Most people worry about the wrong thing on almost everything.  You ride in the rain a few times a year for a few hours.  Saddle gets very wet.  For a few hours.  EVERY time you ride, your shorts get sweaty.  The sweat soaks into the chamois.  Your chamois sits on the saddle.  You rub the chamois into the leather saddle on every pedal stroke.  A few hours of rain compared to hundreds or thousands of hours of sweat.  Its all water either way.  Sweat puts more water into the saddle than rain ever can.

Another example.  I have various shorts and t-shirts.  All of them get soaked with sweat almost every day in the summer.  Due to sweat.  I rarely ever get rained on.  Yet I wear these shorts and t-shirts outside.  If moisture harmed these clothes, where should I worry?  Rare rain or daily sweat?

Another example.  Rain.  You mentioned rain.  But you were not too concerned about the rain falling from the sky.  You were concerned with the rain thrown up by the wheels.  As most people know, rain gets you wet after it falls out of the sky.  The initial fall does not really affect you.  Its all the bouncing around after it hits the ground that gets you soaked.  Some folks rant and rave about rain jackets.  But jackets don't do much to protect you from all the water on the ground.  And I use a saddle bag so no rain can get from the rear tire to the under side of my saddle.  Most folks I see riding have saddle bags.  They mount below the saddle and behind the seatpost.  So your concern with rooster tails is almost nonsense.  The rooster tail hits the saddle bag and never ever hits the under side of the saddle.
Gear Talk / Re: saddles and sores
« Last post by dkoloko on June 17, 2016, 10:59:06 am »
I could comment on several others' comments, but I'll just make one comment.

The saddle you rave about after a 50 mile ride, may not prove to be any better than the one you used before when you ride 50 miles (or so) a day for weeks or more on tour.
When I have traveled somewhere to begin a ride I have used UPS. I acquire a bike box, dismantle (somewhat) the bike (wheels, pedals, seat, turn the handlebars); pack into the box and surround with peanuts, then ship to a hotel where I will spend a day putting the bike together. I usually use a bike box for the bike and some gear and a second box for my wheels. I generally ship at least a week before I start the ride since I want to ensure the bike is at the hotel before I arrive. I don't like using the peanuts but they are light, fill the box to minimize movement and limit the possibility of damage during shipment. I also use hard foam to protect my derailleur. I hate shlepping stuff through an airport or finding transportation that will have room for my bike and gear if I do not intend to leave directly from an airport, and I rarely leave directly from an airport.
General Discussion / Re: Is this considered bikepacking?
« Last post by DaveB on June 16, 2016, 06:27:13 pm »
Actually I think that's a subset of Bike Touring.  I'd call it "Credit Card Touring" since you aren't carrying a tent, sleeping gear or cooking gear.

Hmmm.  About 25 years ago when I did that in Europe I don't think I even had a credit card.  Paid cash for everything.  Was I "Cash Touring"?  And the real tourists who camp and cook, are they not allowed to use cash or credit cards at stores when buying supplies?  Do they have to barter for goods?
Cute.  "Credit card touring" is, of course, a modern term for touring while staying in hotels/motels and eating in restaurants or buying prepared food no matter how it is (or was) really paid for.   Then again, 25 years ago was 1991 and credit cards most certainly were in use but maybe no one trusted you to have one.   :P
Gear Talk / Re: saddles and sores
« Last post by Pat Lamb on June 16, 2016, 05:49:56 pm »
Russ, you're right about sweat, but I think you're off on the amount.  The sweat builds at a slow pace, the saddle absorbs some but I've never seen a leather saddle saturated from just sweat, that's just me though. 

I'm afraid Russ is right.  I killed a Brooks one time on a century ride.  Miserably humid, my shorts were dripping from sweat 30 miles into the ride and then it got hot.  Proofide didn't keep the sweat from soaking the saddle through by the time I sagged in the last 15 miles.  Since then there's a saddle cover in my bar bag on any ride over 25 miles.
Thanks PeteJack, good information. I found since posting and this looks like something that might work with FedEx too. I'm a ham radio operator and have someone in Lincoln City, OR that might be able to receive the bike. That would mean just having to get myself out there.

I have done as you recommended with getting something to carry the panniers in when I've gone to Europe and it worked out well.

I'll post my results as they happen.

Gear Talk / Re: saddles and sores
« Last post by mgholson on June 16, 2016, 05:04:48 pm »
Russ, you're right about sweat, but I think you're off on the amount.  The sweat builds at a slow pace, the saddle absorbs some but I've never seen a leather saddle saturated from just sweat, that's just me though.  I once got caught in rain on my old B-17 and it became like a wet towel almost. 

So a couple updates.  I've been riding the 20 year old B-17 that was recently gifted to me and it is working very well, but I believe it was too dry, the leather was getting cracked around the rivets, I used plain oil in the cracked areas.  The saddle does have alot of sag but not as much as the old super worn out one I used to have.  On a recent ride with my Dad I switched bikes with him for a bit, he has a 168mm wide Romin Evo that is new.   Wow, talk about a totally different saddle.  It was very comfortable but in a totally different way.  B-17 feels like it spreads pressure out all over, the Romin centered it exactly on my sit bones and I felt almost zero pressure everywhere else.  I only rode it for 5 miles but it felt great.  Need to try one for a longer ride. 

I have relearned about chaffing with the B-17 but fortunately it was very easy to treat and went away in a day. 

I attempted to stiffen up my old sagging Romin saddle by wedging a ball of rubber bands between the saddle seatpost. Could feel a big difference, it was easier to keep my weight on my sitbones.
I've just had to abandon a tour in Tulsa OK and fly back to Seattle. A bike shop charged $80 to box the bike and FedEx shipping was $53 to my house. I started an account (free) with FedEx which saved me quite a bit. The estimate before having an account was $82. You can probably box your bike yourself for nothing using a free box from a bike shop. Get a duffel bag or a suitcase from Goodwill and put your panniers in that then you only have one bag to check on a plane. Toss the suitcase or whatever when you get to Portland or give it to another charity shop.

Mind you I like Amtrak myself. It's $25 for a bike box. You don't have to dismantle your bike; just turn the bars sideways and remove the pedals and the box is so big you just roll the bike into it. Be aware that bikes can only be loaded/unloaded at what Amtrak calls manned stations. e.g. The nearest station to Crater Lake NP is Chemult. it would be a great place to start a tour but you can't because it's not manned. The nearest manned station is Klamath Falls.
My wife, who is not really a cyclist, and I did the Natchez Trace from S to N and stayed in some delightful B & Bs. It's a great intro to bike touring for a tyro. There was one stretch where we ended up camping but with better planning you could avoid that. We used and they were great, we booked one day at a time so we didn't have to commit to a schedule which can be hard on a beginner if you overestimate your abilities. I highly recommend it. The booking service is quite picky about who it recommends and we found them excellent value for money.
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