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Routes / Re: Why does the PC route bypass Olympic Peninsula?
« Last post by adventurepdx on August 15, 2016, 12:39:01 pm »
What it boils down to is route selection is somewhat subjective. We take in as much information as we can, distill it to what we've decided are the most important factors and determine a route from there...What you have to remember for this route in particular is that when it was developed in the 80's, there was a lot of logging going on in the area and US 101 carried much of that traffic with little to no shoulders. Safety is a large factor in our selection process, it won out over other considerations.

Thanks, Jennifer. Yeah, I understand that there's a lot of factors that go into route selection, and no route is going to be perfect. And things change.

But I'm definitely more interested in why the ACA Pacific Coast Route stays so far inland in Washington and does not see the Pacific Coast AT ALL in that state (but does see the Puget Sound.) And I know that route selection and planning is a big process, but is there any plans to reevaluate the route, esp. through Washington? Maybe have it hit the coast towards Aberdeen? Or another possibility is that the Willapa Hills Trail should be complete from the coast (Raymond) to Chehalis in the next few years, which would give folks a traffic-free route. I understand that some people are freaked out by the Astoria Bridge, but there is a bus option that runs over the bridge, or they could detour to the Westport Ferry.
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Routes / Re: Why does the PC route bypass Olympic Peninsula?
« Last post by JMilyko on August 15, 2016, 10:37:31 am »
What it boils down to is route selection is somewhat subjective. We take in as much information as we can, distill it to what we've decided are the most important factors and determine a route from there. There will be some cyclists who like and agree with the routing we choose and others who dislike and disagree with what we choose. We listen and make changes or add new routes/alternatives/options where we can.

What you have to remember for this route in particular is that when it was developed in the 80's, there was a lot of logging going on in the area and US 101 carried much of that traffic with little to no shoulders. Safety is a large factor in our selection process, it won out over other considerations.

Thanks for the lively conversation. Personally, the Pacific Coast is on my bucket list of routes I'd like to ride one day. At this point, I don't know which routing I would choose, inland or peninsula. Something to think about in my daydreams!

Jennifer
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Classifieds / Salsa Fargo Ti Medium 2015 Excellent Condition $3000 OBO Many Extras
« Last post by jimguss on August 14, 2016, 05:56:47 pm »
I bought a Salsa Fargo Ti to use as a comfort road bike because of my back issues. Bike is in excellent shape and has only been on gravel twice. Here's the upgrade list:
Jones Bars (Wil include Salsa Cowbell bars and Sram Shifters)
Sram x9 flat bar shifters and sram brake levers
Budnitz Ti Seatpost
Brooks Cambrium C-17 Carved Saddle
Frame and loop bar bag.
Size Medium $3000 OBO including shipping in continental USA.
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Food Talk / Re: Best Foods for Training
« Last post by johnsondasw on August 14, 2016, 01:01:00 am »
  I'm sure some of it is just general good nutrition, but I need to start somewhere.



That's it.  You don't need anything else, IMO.  I've been mountaineering and cycling for 50 years have tried a few things.  A lot of it is just a market looking for customers.  You really don't need all that fancy expensive stuff.  If you're a professional athlete, well, maybe, but for most of us out climbing or biking all day, not so much.  I eat energy bars when I'm looking for convenience.  Eat a well balanced diet, stay hydrated, and, for me, get sufficient salt.  That's my only supplement.  If I don't do that, I seriously hit the wall in the heat of summer.
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Routes / Re: Why does the PC route bypass Olympic Peninsula?
« Last post by adventurepdx on August 14, 2016, 12:58:01 am »
i disagree with  those posters who think the peninsula is not great unless you do the side trips.

Well, I guess we agree to disagree.  ;)

I will have to say that 101 was for the most part manageable on the west side of the Olympic Peninsula (from about Port Angeles down to Aberdeen), when it came to traffic levels or grades--no real steep or high areas for the most part. But for me, I could do that style of riding (quietish riding through rolling hills with a mix of forest and clearcut) in plenty of places down here in Oregon. If I go up that way, I want to see the highlights of the peninsula--and Olympic National Park--which means for me doing side trips.
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Pacific Northwest / Re: Overnight Parking for Iron Horse Trail
« Last post by johnsondasw on August 14, 2016, 12:52:09 am »
Several times in small towns I have used street parking and asked people in local houses if they'd keep an eye on the car. 
Every time, I have received enthusiastic help.  Duvall is a cool town, and I bet the response would be good. 
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Routes / Re: Why does the PC route bypass Olympic Peninsula?
« Last post by johnsondasw on August 14, 2016, 12:48:19 am »
I live in WA and have ridden just many many loop rides in the state over the past 36 years.  These have included several in SW WA.  In 2004 i did the Olympic Peninsula loop in 4 days.  The next year I did the Pacific coast road from Montesano WA to Santa Monica.  i disagree with  those posters who think the peninsula is not great unless you do the side trips.  We did the main highway the whole way except the southern part of the peninsula around Satsop, where we short cut from Montesano up to Hood Canal.  I thought 101 was a fantastic ride--scenic with great roads, lots of convenience stops, good grades, polite traffic, etc.  It rates up there with anything we did on the whole west coast.  Also, the infamous Crescent Lk section was no problem with a mirror, experience, and some patience.  I would definitely include this section in any ride nearby if the weather forecast is good.  If not, uh..no!  We had stellar weather July 12-15, including favorable winds 3 out of the 4 days.
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Routes / Re: Adirondack Park Loop
« Last post by sdotkling on August 13, 2016, 09:29:58 pm »
Just did this trip last year around the same time. Nope, those are the campgrounds you'll find along the route. You should also note that, depending on how business is going, the private campgrounds might close early for the season anytime after Labor Day...or stay open until Columbus Day. Call ahead! But you can also wild camp anywhere in the State Park without getting into trouble. Lakes are everywhere, so nice wild campsites are abundant.


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Routes / Re: Western express to transAm
« Last post by indyfabz on August 12, 2016, 01:37:01 pm »
I live in Philly and have done two cross-state tours to home.

The first was from Pittsburgh via the GAP trail to Cumberland, MD then mostly U.S. 220 to Bedford, PA where I picked up PA Bike Route S. Took that all the way to Lancaster County where I modified the route to get me home in a nicer fashion. I also cut out a big climb out of Betzwood, PA by riding the section of the abandoned PA Turnpike, which is an unofficial bike trail and was used as one of the filming locations for the film "The Road" starring Viggo Mortensen. . I highly recommend it as long as you have a good light and are not afraid of the dark. There are two long tunnels (the longer being over 1 mile) with no lights. The second tunnel heading east has a crown closer to the east portal, which means for much of the distance you literally cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel. The nice thing is that you can still see the median striping inside the tunnels so you can use that as a guide.

The second trip started from the Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport near Vienna, OH. Made my own, nice route to Franklin, PA where I picked up the scenic, paved (except for maybe 3/4 of a mile) Allegheny River Trail for about 25 miles to Emlenton, PA. From there, I followed PA Bike Route V all the way to Rupert/Bloomsburg and then headed south via my own route, which included the abandoned town of Centralia. Depending where you might want to go in NJ, you could stay on Bike Route V all the way to the end at Portland, PA and cross the river there into Columbia, NJ via the pedestrian/bike bridge.

Overall, the PA portion of the latter trip was nicer (and more challenging) than the former. Both routes had pretty well-spaced camping (There is free, trail-side camping with Adirondack shelters in Franklin, PA, right along the river. Saw two bald eagles in the morning.) and access to good grocery sources along the way, although in many instances I hard to carry groceries for some miles as there were no stores close to my camping locations. Let me know if you would like detail on one or both of the routes.
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Classifieds / WTB: Touring bike and gear -- 54 cm Long Haul Trucker or similar
« Last post by kkrasnow on August 12, 2016, 12:42:52 pm »
I am prepping for a tour from Jackson, WY to Missoula, MT this fall.  I'm in search of a good touring bike (54 cm) and gear setup (already have back panniers, but no other bags).  Please email/PM me if you have something for sale that fits my needs.

Thanks,
Kevin
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