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Offline bethany

Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« on: January 18, 2014, 03:03:52 pm »
Afternoon forum folks,

I am hoping a few of you might provide a little route advice for our first long-distance mother/teen daughter charity ride this summer. I'd like to combine history, small towns, a relaxed pace, and as many paved, non-motorized roads as possible. All suggestions are welcome!

Here's what we're looking to do:
1) Multi-state, circle ride, preferably starting and ending Midwest (we live in Iowa)
2) Between 30 and 50 miles per day
3) Total trip time of about 30ish days, riding about 6 days per week
4) As many non-motorized trails as possible
5) Lots of camping options

We've considered the Mississippi River Trail, the Lewis and Clark Trail, and the Northern Tier. I'm having difficulty identifying which routes have the most non-motorized trails. Any advice on that?

Thanks in advance. We can't wait to hear your thoughts!

Very best,
Bethany

Offline Pat Lamb

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2014, 10:26:38 am »
My knee-jerk reaction is that you've put too many constraints on your wish list.  1,000-1,500 miles, to my knowledge, just isn't possible in a loop format while staying off roads.  You might be able to largely stay off roads on the continental divide trail, but that breaks the loop.

Having said that, the Adventure Cycling routes do an excellent job of keeping you on lightly traveled roads.  Their magazine had an article a few years back where a bunch of kids wondered if they could ride a mile naked in Kansas without anybody seeing them.  (Spoiler: they chose the wrong mile.)  Most TransAm veterans smiled, lots of roads are that empty.

Off the top of my head, you might try Lewis and Clark east on the Katy Trail, then head north on Great Rivers, then west on the Northern Tier until you meet up with L&C, then head back south.  (Adjust to fit where in Iowa you want to start, of course.)  NT has been re-jiggered to use more rail-trails in Minnesota, and of course you've got a couple hundred miles on the Katy.  I suspect that's as close as you can get to your previous wish list.

One more point about the AC maps, they'll have points of interest called out.  You might want to ask the various state tourism offices for maps, or get the state books from AAA, and plan out additional near-but-not-on the-route stops you want to make.  That should keep you busy for a few months while waiting for summer to arrive!

Offline John Nelson

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2014, 11:44:45 am »
I agree with Patrick that your problem might be overly constrained.

If your number one requirement is non-motorized trails, then I suggest you start there. You also mentioned "paved", but I'll note that there are a number of unpaved trails that are so smooth that they are virtually as good as paved (e.g., the Erie Canalway). So I'd recommend looking at various rails-to-trails routes and canalways around the country. Many of these (e.g., Katy Trail, Mickelson Trail, Erie Canalway) have built-up infrastructure to support the cyclist. These won't satisfy your "circle ride" requirement (although you could still get back to where you started with an out-and-back), and they may not satisfy your "multi-state" requirement, and they probably won't satisfy your 30-day requirement (at least not without taking some roads between trails).

As Patrick said, if you relax your non-motorized trails requirement, you can find many lonely back roads through beautiful country with almost no traffic that are pure joy to ride on. If your teen daughter is 13, I can understand desire to stay off roads for safety reasons. But if your teen daughter is 16, I'm sure she'll be safe on the back roads.

Offline bethany

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2014, 12:15:05 pm »
These are great suggestions, guys. Thank you! I think you're right, re: that the ride requirements are too constrained. It is a bit of a dream list (smile). The kiddo and I will simply have to buy a number of maps and brainstorm over the coming months. In truth, the planning is nearly as fun as the ride.

My biggest concern is safety. My daughter, who is 13, is fearless. That is often scary for a parent. We'll need to spend a good deal of time on safety drills this spring. If either of you are aware of a website with safety training videos, I'm all ears. We're pretty remote out here and I haven't located a nearby training class for her yet. If you guys have kids, then you know teenagers listen to the advice of others more readily than they do their parents. It'd be great to be able to point her in the direction of some outside safety advice. 

On the naked ride in Kansas, how hilarious! I am sad I missed that article. I would have laughed right off my chair. There ought to be an annual contest for just that sort of shenanigans. Love it.

Well, looks like it's time to order up some maps and get to work. Thanks again, guys!

Very best,
Bethany

Offline John Nelson

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 12:04:45 am »
We'll need to spend a good deal of time on safety drills this spring. If either of you are aware of a website with safety training videos, I'm all ears.

The road itself is a great teacher. When I started riding a lot a decade ago, I used to say that my objective was to stay alive long enough to learn the safety skills I needed. Some of the safety skills you need to know are not very intuitive. E.g., it's not very safe to ride within inches of the edge of the pavement. It's actually safer to ride farther out. Most accidents don't involve a car. You also learn that the cars approaching from behind are not your major risk, especially in populated areas. The biggest risks you encounter are at intersections, from turning traffic or from traffic entering the roadway. So it's key to ride in a manner that makes you visible. In many cases, that means riding well out from the edge of the road. And you need to understand where other dangers come from: opening car doors, potholes, cracks in the road, debris, wet leaves, dogs, clothing caught in wheels, crosswind, etc. And understand how to take lines through corners on fast descents, how to brake before and not in a turn, how to lean the bike in a corner, how to avoid and deal with shimmy if it should happen, how to keep your brakes from overheating, basic safety checks to make before every ride (ABC = Air, Brakes, Chain), the proper way to wear a helmet, shifting your weight back when braking hard, when to use the front and/or rear brakes, using hand signals, looking back without swerving, why not to ride on the sidewalk, when to take the lane, etc.

Have your daughter Google "bicycle safety" and read what comes up. She and you can read about everything I've mentioned above and more. Then go out on the road and practice. Ride behind her so that you can see how she's doing.

Offline Pat Lamb

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2014, 09:34:54 am »
The good news is that bicycling is so easy, even a 13 year old can do it safely!  (The better news is that, by teaching your daughter to bicycle safely now, she'll be a safer driver in a couple years when she gets a learning permit.)

I agree strongly with John re: problems tend to happen in towns and cities.  I started my girls when they were 13 and 10.  For the first month or so, our rides must have looked like "Make Way for Ducklings" on wheels; I led, the girls in the middle, and my wife at the back.  We made sure everyone was on the right side of the road, not swerving all over the place, stopped for stop signs, checked both ways, etc.  When we were sure they could survive in suburbia, we graduated to longer rides; a book store and ice cream store were both about 5 miles away, which was a good distance for newby cyclists to catch our breath before heading back home.  If you can do something similar, starting April or maybe March, you and your daughter will be ready to go when summer comes.

Just a couple recommendations.  For Mom, pick up a copy of John Franklin's "Cyclecraft." and read it.  Make sure you get the American translation from British.  You could also try John Forester's "Effective Cycling", but Forester needs editing to cut out the politics and autobiography before it would be as good a resource as "Cyclecraft" on riding a bicycle safely.

I've been impressed by a few web sites:
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/on-the-road/
http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/
And for your review and study:
http://johnforester.com/BTEO/ECIL.pdf

Offline bethany

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 12:22:31 pm »
Again, great suggestions! Thank you John and pdlamb. I am so happy to have found Adventure Cycling and this forum! Terrific resource for newbies.

I like the idea of googling "bicycle safety" to see what pops up and then reviewing the material with her. And, I think you are both right, re: practice, practice, practice. We'll definitely plan for some training runs this spring. Perhaps, a few family Saturdays around the area on little-used highways. I'm considering the Paul Bunyan Trail (112 miles, Minnesota) or the Wabash Trace Nature Trail (63 miles, Iowa) over my daughter's spring break. I thought a slightly longer ride before summer might help me evaluate how far she and I can go with a smile.

I'll be sure to pick up "Cyclecraft" and check out the links you suggested. Our obsessive trip planning has officially begun. Pretty happy about that.

Thank you, thank you! Cheers to you both on this beautiful Monday morning.

Very best,
Bethany

Offline mjcambron

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2014, 09:51:52 pm »
Since 2010 I've served as an adult volunteer with a youth cycling program that organizes a 3 week, 1,500 mile ride for sixty teens age 13-20.  In 2010 we rode from Seattle to Los Angeles.  In 2011 we rode from Indiana to Maine by way of NYC and Boston.  In 2012 we took an extra week and rode from San Francisco to Indiana.  In 2013 we rode from Mexico to Canada.   Most of our riders have no previous long distance cycling experience.  We've had 13 year old females on every trip and they've all done great. Our trips are supported so we don't need to carry much gear on the bikes.  We average about 500 miles every 6 days.  We ride single file in small groups of 6 or 7 riders.  We ride into and through some of the busiest cities in America.  This year deCycles will ride from Key West, FL back to Indiana (you can learn more at www.decyclesindiana.org).  The secret to our trips is extensive preparation.  We start training as soon as the weather permits in early April.  Most of our riders will have over 750 training miles before our trip begins, some will have double this amount. We teach riding and communication skills so that the small group of 6 functions like a single entity with 6 brains, 12 eyes and 12 ears.  Since 1968, over 1,800 deCycle riders have traveled over five million rider miles without serious injury.  I guess my point is, with proper preparation, you and your daughter will be fine.

Some important skills... Learn to ride a very straight line. Learn to ride behind another rider without touching tires.  Learn to take a drink from a water bottle, while maintaining a straight line, without looking down.  Learn to communicate everything you do/see/hear on the bike...pot-holes, ruts, bump, braking, drinking, stopping, dropping, car left, car right, car back, etc. 

Offline Greg in MO

Re: Route suggestions for a Mother/Teen Daughter Multi-State Ride
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 03:45:44 pm »
Bethany,

I highly recommend the Katy since you are in IA already.  It's crushed limestone but easy to ride with wider touring tires, and as a previous poster mentioned the towns along the trail cater to cyclists.  It's also almost completely flat, which should be easier on both of you.  I would think you could ride the Mississippi River trail to the Katy pretty easily.  You should probably look into the RAGBRAI routes, as they tend to focus on lower traffic routes across IA.  The tricky point will be getting from Clinton, MO back north to IA.

Good luck!