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Offline phillipa

ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« on: March 05, 2010, 11:25:50 pm »
Having trouble getting my Garmin 60Cx to give me turn by turn directions for the ACA route.

Loaded ACA route into Mapsource.
Used the Route Tool to create a route for one day's travel.
Saved with a new name.
Transferred waypoints and route to GPS but then didn't see that route listed on the GPS's list of saved routes.
Therefore no turn by turn directions were available.

Must be missing something.

Can you point me to a list of step-by-step directions?

Thanks.

Offline Fred Hiltz

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 10:12:15 am »
Let's try to find where the route goes missing. Check that your Preferences routing tab is set to "Use Auto-Routing." I assume that you have auto-routing maps loaded in your copy of MapSource.

1. After you create the route, does it appear in the MapSource list of routes? Does it follow the roads or is it straight lines?

2. Save the file, close and restart MapSource. Is the route still in the MapSource list?

3. Open the Maps tab in the left pane of MapSource. Is "Include route calculation data" checked?

4. Try building a short route right in the 60Cx, using two or three of the waypoints that transferred OK. Do you get a straight-line route, a turn-by-turn route, or nothing at all?

With these questions answered, we can narrow down the causes.

Fred

Offline phillipa

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2010, 09:20:36 am »
Let's try to find where the route goes missing. Check that your Preferences routing tab is set to "Use Auto-Routing." I assume that you have auto-routing maps loaded in your copy of MapSource.

  YES WE USE OUR GPS FOR DRIVING DIRECTIONS ALL THE TIME

1. After you create the route, does it appear in the MapSource list of routes? Does it follow the roads or is it straight lines?

YES I CAN MAKE A SHORT ROUTE AND NAME IT BUT WHEN I SAVE IT MAP SOURCE CHANGES ITS NAME

2. Save the file, close and restart MapSource. Is the route still in the MapSource list?

NO

3. Open the Maps tab in the left pane of MapSource. Is "Include route calculation data" checked?

NO ITS THERE BUT NOT AN OPTION TO BE CHECKED (ITS GRAY)

4. Try building a short route right in the 60Cx, using two or three of the waypoints that transferred OK. Do you get a straight-line route, a turn-by-turn
route, or nothing at all?

BUILDING A ROUTE INTO THE GPSR? IM NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT

With these questions answered, we can narrow down the causes.


what id like to happen is to go from point A to point B    getting turn by turn directions so i can use my gps together with my ACA maps
is that just going to happen or do i need to retrace the map that i imported?

thank you for working with me on this



Offline Fred Hiltz

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2010, 08:44:42 am »
Hmmm, not having the "Include route calculation data" option available says that the maps loaded in MapSource do not support route calculation. But you say you use the GPS for driving directions. Let's resolve that dichotomy.

Look in the toolbar near the top of the MapSource window for the name of the map product, something like City Navigator. (If you do not see it, go to the View menu > Show Toolbars, check View.) What map product are you using?

Maps covering the area where you are building your route need to be loaded into MapSource. Get that area on the screen and check this by View > Hide GPS Map Detail and View > Show GPS Map Detail. This should toggle between your routable maps and the built-in base map. Do you see a difference?

When you set up an automobile route, do you do it in advance on MapSource, or do you do it directly in the GPS? If this works in MapSource, the ACA waypoints ought to work the same way.

I asked for a short route built in your GPSR to see whether routable maps are loaded into it. This is not difficult, but is tedious because of the limited keyboard and tiny screen. Your owner's manual will show how.

Once this is working, you will not have to retrace the route that you imported. You probably will have to make small adjustments in the positions of waypoints on divided highways or one-way streets to prevent the GPSR from generating bizarre directions.

We are getting close to making this work, I believe.

Fred

Offline phillipa

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2010, 04:40:34 pm »
i use the gps for geocaching mostly i punch in the coords and it gives me turn by turn to the cache or i can put in a address

i never use map source unless i am  loading maps (the micro sd wont hold all the maps at once)

i have city nav v 8

i dont see much of a difference at all its just about the same level of detail

we ran a short route and sent it to the gps and they had 2 different routes same start and finish but different roads

i hope i answered all your questions

when i put in the waypoints from aca in the map shows the route if i go in to very fine detail but id like to  see and hear a beep when i need to "turn left on green st in .03 miles"


how does it work for you/others?
if you tell me how you do it maybe i can just copy your actions
i really think im just missing something simple
« Last Edit: March 08, 2010, 04:52:05 pm by phillipa »

Offline Fred Hiltz

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 08:37:22 am »
I agree, you are probably  missing one step somewhere. The important clue is "Include route calculation data" not being available. I think MapSource is not sending that data as a result.

So, here are the steps that work for me. I will probably write more detail than you need for most of it.

1. Open MapSource and load one of the ACA waypoint files.

2. On the Routes tab in the left pane, click one of the routes, then View > Show Selected Route on Map.

3. On the Maps tab in the left pane, if any maps show in the list, click on each and press your Delete key to delete it.

4. Activate the Map tool: Tools > Map. Click near the middle of the route on the map. The map will change color, indicating that this map segment has been selected. If any part of the route lies outside that colored area, click there to color it too.

5. Now you should see one or more map segments named in the Maps tab. Check the box "Include route calculation data."

6. Connect your 60Cx receiver and turn it on.

7. In MapSource, Transfer > Send to Device. Check Maps, Waypoints, and Routes. Click Send.

8. When the transfer is complete, locate the Routes page in the 60Cx menus. Select the route you just loaded and navigate it, choosing Follow Roads.

OK, if these steps do not work for you, please write back where the procedure fails and in what way. This should get you there soon.

Different routing from MapSource and the GPSR is common, even when their routing options are set the same. They clearly use different routing algorithms. The ACA routes should have enough intermediate waypoints to keep the GPSR on the route you want. In fact, they have many more than are necessary.

Fred

Offline phillipa

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 12:26:42 pm »
ok i think we have it
im going from ashtabula Ohio to Cincinnati Ohio so there are a ton of waypoints
i think the problem for me was it was showing different routing than what i was use to seeing and the problem with the "Include route calculation data" box not being there was that i already had all of the maps loaded in my gpsr
 
i am assuming that i need to have my gpsr set to route by bike?

how "bad" is it to deviate from the ACA route? i see at least on corner i can cut and save like 20 miles

thanks for all your help on this

Offline Fred Hiltz

Re: ACA route to Garmin 60 Cx problems
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 10:12:20 am »
ok i think we have it... i am assuming that i need to have my gpsr set to route by bike? ... how "bad" is it to deviate from the ACA route? i see at least on corner i can cut and save like 20 miles

Excellent! I have not found any difference between route by bike and route by automobile, probably because so few bike paths are on those Garmin maps. Your choice, I'd say.

The cyclists who scouted these routes had good reasons for going where they went. Sometimes you can see why: to visit an important site, to avoid a poor cycling road, or to go around a city. Still, most of us leave the mapped route on occasion, based on what we see, especially with the GPS map right there on the handlebar.

Now that Google Maps has widespread street view, you can check out that alternate road from your armchair. If you have a fast Internet connection, give it a try. It is fun.

Fred