Tony, Gunnar makes very good stuff. I believe their Grand Tour is a steel frame. It has all the bells and whistles. A few things I like are the chain stays are 445mm which will give you plenty of clearance for rear panniers. The wheel clearance is up to 38c with fenders. You can get it with S&S couplers for an additional $750. I like the frame sizing every 20mm, or if you are into custom fit, they provide that option for for an additional $275. By the time you get done you are looking between $3000 to $4000. If I may make two suggestions. A&E Cycles of Seattle Washington has a pretty good set up. 18 stock sizes and for an extra $100 they will custom fit you. They make all their own frames. I have 3 friends who purchased bikes from them and really like their bikes. They even take a $100 off the hard case if you have the bike shipped in it. Worth a look. The other resource we like is SJS Cycles in the UK. My girlfriend purchased a bike from them and loves it. The only rub, as I previously mentioned in a post, was they are not really set up for S&S Couplers. So they would want you to repaint the bike after they put them in. ($1250 ouch!) I believe Bilenky in Phila, Pa. offers this option for around $500 and they may be able to do it, in a way, that keep the original paint.