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Bicycle Travel => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Some Guy Ridin on December 18, 2012, 09:45:29 pm
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I'm planning to cross the country this year, supported, and am wondering what is the best/most efficient in size/cost/benefit technology to take in order to stay connected to current news, emails, blogs, books etc.? Is it possible to have satelite connections thus not worrying about towers? Suggestions and advice wanted.
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Buy newspapers each day and send postcards.
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Buy newspapers each day and send postcards.
He did say "technologically". I'm guessing newspapers and postcards have been around for 500 plus years. Since its a supported tour you are asking about, why not just take along a laptop computer. Have the support vehicle driver figure out how to find an electrical outlet to charge the thing everyday. Then every night just drive to a restaurant or coffee shop that has WiFi access and surf the web. Being supported kind of puts you into a whole different world for convenience.
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Thanks for the response.
My first consideration is the laptop but with the miriad of equipment choices (laptop, smartphone, iPod, iPad, local libraries etc.) and connection choices (cell towers, satelite, telephone etc.) I'm not sure what works best, safest and is easiest to accomplish and carry.
Truth is, I'm not even sure what my choices are. I don't own anything that's not connected by wire except a wi-fi ipod and a non-smartphone that is limited to texting and voice. I'm pretty naive about being connected, particularly in the remote areas of the countryside.
I'm hoping people can respond with their experiences in this regard. What worked? What didn't work to well?
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Since it is a supported tour. Taking a laptop is a decent option, but consider how connected you really want to be. It just might be nice to not be connected beyond keeping in touch with folks at home. That can be accomplished with phone calls and text messages. You can also use computers here and there along the way at public libraries or at motels if you stay in any. Many motels do have a computer in the lobby or elsewhere for guests.
Usually for me a smart phone is the best option, because I can do voice and text, do brief journal entries, check maps, use the gps, use email, use the reasonably good camera, listen to audio books, read and edit documents including pre trip notes, and find services in towns down the road. I may choose to not use it for many of those functions, but it is nice to have the option. I figure that it is more than adequate and sometimes overkill, but at 6 ounces or so carrying it isn't a burden. Of course for a supported tour you don't need to worry about that as much. BTW, in my experience with cellular carriers, Verizon has by far the best for coverage in remote parts of the US.
Is your trip with a company that is providing supported tours or are you just having some one you know drive a sag wagon? How what part of the country is it in and how remote is it?
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You can't make phone calls with a laptop, so you need a phone, which can double as your camera. The very latest smart phones are quite capable on the internet, but typing on a smart phone is a chore. On my last unsupported tour I took a small laptop and a smart phone. You could easily replace the laptop with a tablet to save some space and weight. I used the computer for email, to pay bills, & to blog my tour on crazyguyonabike.com. I just took a short break during the day, wrote a few words, and uploaded a pic or 2. Months later, I was running into people who commented on my blog.
If you take a computer, save yourself some $$$ and use Wi-Fi. Data plans are expensive, especially when they include teathering to a computer. Free Wi-Fi is available in almost every town (in the East, anyway). The only problem I had was public libraries in Pennsylvania. PA might be the cradle of our freedom, but their library Wi-Fi is locked down tight. Crazyguyonabike was locked out at all 4 of the PA libraries I tried. Every Starbucks I tried worked. McDonalds was OK, but a couple of them had busted Wi-Fi. Small coffee shops were a good bet.
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You can't make phone calls with a laptop
Not completely true, you can use skype to make calls with a WiFi enabled device whether it is a laptop, tablet, or whatever. I know that it worked out well for my daughter when I loaned her a little phone sized wifi tablet (Nokia N800) for a European vacation. So going without a cell phone isn't completely out of the question.
I am not especially advocating that since I always carry a cell phone (sometimes as my only electronic device), but it is an option to use Skype instead of a phone if you are willing to limit your calls to where you have wifi coverage.
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How connected do you insist on being. Is it a matter of life-or-death to be in touch 24/7 or are occasional updates adequate? If you are on a supported tour I assume you will be with other riders so getting emergency help shouldn't require having total communication ability all times and all places. Also, having your nose buried in your phone or laptop all the time won't leave any time for socializing.
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As Old Guy says, wi-fi is getting to be ubiquitous. If your supported tour stays in motels, it's usually safe to bet there'll be wi-fi. If not, well, you'll pass through a town every day, so you can find wi-fi at libraries, many restaurants, coffee shops, etc.
If you want to surf from a tent or picnic table, you'll need to get a wireless plan and pay the cell company (through the nose!). Most of the time you'll be able to get a cell signal east of the Rockies, except in a few rural parts of the Appalachians and Ozarks. It's usually cheaper to get a wi-fi device to plug into your laptop (do tablets support these? I don't know.) Verizon, at least, will let you use a smartphone as a wi-fi base, but you'll pay a hefty premium for that "privilege." Verizon seems to have the best rural coverage, followed by AT&T, with T-Mobile (one kid called his "T-Maybe") bringing up the rear.
Some people call me cheap, but I'd stick with your voice and text cell phone for calls, and take large netbook for web access. You might want to save a pound and take a tablet, but a large netbook's keyboard fits my hands best.
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"Buy newspapers each day and send postcards" was an editorial on what I think of taking electronics on a tour.
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Regarding that editorial, I'm guessing there is some explanation and reasoning in it that goes a little deeper than the title. Do you recall where you read the editorial?
I know a guy that took the Trans Am and asked his fellow riders to keep all news and current events to themselves. He said he was a news junkie but wanted to try to completely avoid it during the ride. His riding mates respected his request and his only contact with the rest of the world for the entire ride was his wife and an occasional comment here or there. Later he commented that after he'd returned and caught up with what was going on, that the world hadn't changed much. He recommended I try that.
I don't think I want to go to his extreme nor to try to do as you've suggested but I appreciate both suggestions.
With everyone's (forum) help, I've been able to define my needs down to telephone, camera, gps, weather updates, music, books on tape, books in print, email and access to the occasional library along the way.
So I guess, technologically speaking, a smartphone & a Kindle-like pad should fit the bill nicely.
This kind of narrows me down to 1. type of smartphone 2. service plans and 3. type of e-reader.
I've read that, in the past, Verizon phone service is the best for cross country. I'm wondering if this is still true. I'm going to start a new blog question now: "What is the best telephone & telephone service for cross country touring.."
Thanks to everyone that responded/helped and I hope to see you at my next forum question (mentioned above).
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GPS is new to the list. I heartily recommend an outdoor Garmin GPS unit. Pick the one you like, their similarities outweigh their differences. It runs on two AA batteries, which can stay on all day and last for 2 days of hard riding. It's very rugged and will have no problems surviving on your bike handlebar. You should hook a lanyard to the GPS and wrap it around something. The handlebar mount doesn't latch. My GPS came loose twice over the last year. The lanyard was much appreciated.
On the other hand, if you tried to leave your phone on continuously the battery would last a few hours. So it's only good for occasional GPS checks. And there may be times when you just can't keep it charged. Furthermore, it is a fragile device and should be well protected deep inside your waterproof bag.
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MY editorial thinking on the subject spoken in many a rant but published only here.
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I'm planning to cross the country this year, supported, and am wondering what is the best/most efficient in size/cost/benefit technology to take in order to stay connected to current news, emails, blogs, books etc.? Is it possible to have satelite connections thus not worrying about towers? Suggestions and advice wanted.
You can get an iPhone for $50-$200 with a two year contract. A full access data plan will run you anyewhere from $50-150 months depending on factors on ly you can judge. An iPhone has everything on it you think you must have. (I've used Apple products all of my electronic career so that's where I go but I imagine there are excellent Android phones, I just don't know anything about them.)
Satellite commnication is not an option; those are dedicated, expensive, bricks. Your tour organizer may have one in their kit. In fact, that's a question you might want to ask them .
The smartphone stays with you on the bike and can run music, GPS, mapping, heart rate…there is no limit to wwhat you can have loaded up. Be sure you have a sturdy case and a lanyard. Buy the unit several months before your trip. Invest in a good book about the phone's operating system so you understand how it works and how to talk to the OS to get it work the way you want it to. INstall and practice with all of your apps many weeks before your trip.
You will also need an auxiliary charging system. Smartphones have stupid small batteries but they are built assuming you are charging every day. I plan to use a solar-powered battery pack that tops off the iPhone rather than trying to rig a generator or directly hooking into a solar panel. That purchase decision for me is a few months off. I have the case (OtterBox defender model) and the mount.
Try to enjoy this shopping experience. A smartphone will change your life in a subtle way but once you've learned how to use it, you're going to wonder why you didn't get one a few years ago.
I strongly support the editorial position that you do not need any of these things on a bike trip. You really do not. Electronic toys and furniture are hassles when you're on a bike trip. They're expensive and small and hard to keep track of and charged and they're fragile. I'm taking my iPhone on my next several trips simply because I have one, not necessarily to use it for anything in particular. I may end up keeping it packed in a bag instead of mounted on the handlebars of my recumbent.
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Thanks for the input, ideas and comments.
Initially I thought that a high powered smart phone might do everything I wanted, covering all my bases - phone-internet-camera-music etc., but considering all things I learned here and through others I'm bringing all the clutter - it's cheaper and works out better for me.
I'm bringing: (all small and light weight)
a) a verizon connected 4G LTE tablet for off the bike internet, information, email - basically - a computer.
b) an ipod touch for on the bike music, books on tape & coffeeshop wifi, skype etc.
c) my Sprint phone for telephone and text. Coverage might be a big problem, but I have the Verizon internet link for skype, email, blogging, facebook etc., if need be.
d) my pocket camera.
e) my kindle for reading.
That's a lot of clutter, including the charging wires etc., but collectively, I think it beats the crap out of a smartphone - which is very expensive to buy and to have monthly service.
Thanks everyone for the replies - I've got it figured out now - I hope.
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I ride with Driftlessregion - he is true to his word. Having said that, he cheats and calls home on my cell phone... My phone doubles as my bike computer. It has been very helpful to have the navigator, but we tour self-supported and have no sag to look ahead to turns, gravel, etc. It is rare in my touring experience to be far from towers. I do have a generator hub to keep it lit. My smartphone has a fantastic dictation for emails so there is no typing to be done.
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I'm bringing: (all small and light weight)
a) a verizon connected 4G LTE tablet for off the bike internet, information, email - basically - a computer.
That's a lot of clutter, including the charging wires etc., but collectively, I think it beats the crap out of a smartphone - which is very expensive to buy and to have monthly service.
I am confused. Doesn't the Verizon 4G LTE tablet have all of those same disadvantages?
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I understand your confusion so let me explain...
A tablet is virtually the same thing as a smart phone yet there are some big differences. It's only $30/mo for 2G data transfer (more than enough), a month to month lease allows me to cancel service when not travelling, the screen is 10.5 inches and comes with a keyboard which enhances the ability to read and to communicate in long complete sentences vs. txt msg pckng on tny kybrd. Because of it's size, it functions better as a computer than a smartphone does and it's still light and somewhat compact.
I personally don't like trying to email, surf the web, skype, or play games on a smartphone - it's too small for my pork sausage sized fingers and makes it too hard to read with my much less than perfect vision.
During the ride, I'll have a small cheap phone (when I can get service), an old ipod for music and a camera that will take much better pictures than a smart phone.
Since I already owned everything but the tablet, this works out to be cheaper and better for me.
I hope that clears up your confusion.
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Any scientists out there know if Homo sapiens have been reclassified as colonial organisms?
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Any scientists out there know if Homo sapiens have been reclassified as colonial organisms?
Decades ago. Where have you been?
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Ditto on the use of an Iphone 5, seems to do just about everything and you can carry it, even on a supported tour. Seri will even take dictation and write up emails for you. Here are the touring apps I will put on mine:
Audiobooks from Audible: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/trackmytour-travel-sharing/id307303960?mt=8
Warmshowers: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/warmshowers/id359056872?mt=8
CouchSurfing: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/couchsurfing/id525642917?mt=8
Track My tour: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/trackmytour-travel-sharing/id307303960?mt=8
Iphoto: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/iphoto/id497786065?mt=8
Goggle Maps: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-maps/id585027354?mt=8
Bike Doctor: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bike-doctor-repair-your-bike/id541404972?mt=8
American Red Cross First Aid: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/first-aid-by-american-red/id529160691?mt=8
WebMD: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/webmd/id295076329?mt=8
Dropbox: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dropbox/id327630330?mt=8
Facebook: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/facebook/id284882215?mt=8
Hostelworld.com: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hostelworld.com/id348890820?mt=8
Skype WiFi: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/skype-wifi/id444529922?mt=8
The Weather Channel: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/the-weather-channel/id295646461?mt=8
Weather 2x: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/weather-2x/id512607963?mt=8
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Check out the Samsung Galaxy Note 2.Its pretty cool.I got one last week and will probably never use half the stuff it has on it.
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Check out the Samsung Galaxy Note 2.Its pretty cool.I got one last week and will probably never use half the stuff it has on it.
I just got one too. It seems to be an awesome device if you want a really big smart phone. It almost verges on being a tablet rather than a phone. It is a bit on the heavy side at 6.3 ounces, but has a lot of great features. I have been considering taking it as my only electronic device of my upcoming backpacking and bicycle touring trips.
BTW, a cheap way to go for a bike tour is to get a used smart phone and use it without a SIM card as a wifi only device. You can even make calls via wifi using skype. Wifi is getting easy enough to find that this can be a pretty reasonable option.
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Buy newspapers each day and send postcards.
+1
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You won't need a separate e-reader if you've got the tablet. Download the Nook or Kindle app, and you'll have all your reading materials.
We travel across country in our RV often. From our experience, and that of other travelers, Verizon absolutely has the best coverage.
Have fun!