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Title: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: camasa45 on January 16, 2017, 03:20:13 pm
Hello,

Can anyone recommend a super ultra light sleeping bag that compresses down to really small plus very light tent?

Thanks
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: zzzz on January 16, 2017, 04:28:34 pm
Sure. Get out your checkbook.

ZPacks Solplex or Altaplex tents: 1lb± - $500.00
Katabatibc gear "Palisade" down quilt (30°): 1lb± - $450.00
Thermarest NeoAir: 12 oz - $120.00

I bought these 3 items 3 years ago in an attempt to go as light as I could go. They still appear to be the lightest things on the market. You can spend considerably less by carrying 3 more pounds.

pm

edit: I thought about this answer some more and decided it wasn't complete. Most times when you go ultra light, in addition to the price going way up, the stuff may not be quite as functional. This is  true for the tent I listed above, it is not self-supporting and there is no fly. There are places where it's hard to drive your stakes and if it's pouring all night, having a fly is very nice. I'm okay with that trade-off between weight & livability because most nights I stay in a hotel. If your camping all the time you would notice it more.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: bikemig on January 16, 2017, 05:35:52 pm
I wouldn't just focus on weight since you want stuff which is durable and which fits your needs.

Around 2 years ago, I bought a Marmot atom sleeping bag which is a pretty standard light weight down 3 season bag. I like the bag a lot but if I were looking today for a light weight sleeping system, I'd take a long hard look at a quilt system rather than a sleeping bar. I used one last summer for the first time and loved it. I can't recommend what I bought since it's really only a summer quilt and you're better off with a 3 season one.


For a tent, there are a number of reasonable weight double wall tents. I'm looking to get a new one and I'm leaning towards the MSR bubba nx 1. It's not the lightest tent out there but the weight is reasonable and, by all accounts, it is a sturdy tent. I like the size as well. It also has a usable vestibule which I like.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: walks.in2.trees on January 16, 2017, 07:01:22 pm
Sure. Get out your checkbook.

ZPacks Solplex or Altaplex tents: 1lb± - $500.00
Katabatibc gear "Palisade" down quilt (30°): 1lb± - $450.00
Thermarest NeoAir: 12 oz - $120.00

I bought these 3 items 3 years ago in an attempt to go as light as I could go. They still appear to be the lightest things on the market. You can spend considerably less by carrying 3 more pounds.

pm

edit: I thought about this answer some more and decided it wasn't complete. Most times when you go ultra light, in addition to the price going way up, the stuff may not be quite as functional. This is  true for the tent I listed above, it is not self-supporting and there is no fly. There are places where it's hard to drive your stakes and if it's pouring all night, having a fly is very nice. I'm okay with that trade-off between weight & livability because most nights I stay in a hotel. If your camping all the time you would notice it more.
ZPaks sells cubenfiber gear..No need for a fly because Cubenfiber is waterproof. I agree about about pounding stakes into frozen ground being a pain, so you want the longer heavier stakes that can take more force and get a better penetration... once you're through the frozen surface, the rest goes in easy though. Winter gear by necessity is going to be heavier and bulkier anyway.

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Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: DaveB on January 16, 2017, 08:40:32 pm
You didn't say where you plan to travel and what time of year.  That information can have a huge bearing on what will work and how light you dare go.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: zzzz on January 16, 2017, 08:47:50 pm
Not to be contrary to Walking in Trees but.....

Yes CubanFibre is nominally waterproof but if something inadvertantly comes to be touching the sides, like say you have all your gear in there on a rainy night and while you're sleeping some of it gets pushed around, you will wake up in the morning w wet stuff. Ask me how I know this.

Or, you can take ZPacks word for it (from their web site) "All single wall shelters will get some condensation in cold humid conditions."

And I wasn't refering to frozen ground for staking sometimes being a problem. Their tents are pretty sensitive to being precisely staked in order to get a tight pitch and there  has been a couple of times 4 stakes are in and then there's a rock in the wrong place so you move it and try again and it happens again. And when I was at Denali the camp sites are like a raised garden bed filled w gravel, that was really a PIA to stake out.

This sounds like I'm ragging on the tent, but I'm not, if I had to buy it again I would. But again, that 1 lb tent is not as livable as a 3-4 lb dome tent w a fly. IMHO

pm
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: John Nelson on January 17, 2017, 12:12:56 am
Everything involves trade offs and you haven't given us enough information to know what your requirements are.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: janetanorth on January 17, 2017, 09:35:03 pm
Check out:
Tarptent.com    (I have been very happy with the double rainbow)
Undergroundquilts.com.      (I recommend the flightjacket series)
Thermrest NEo Air Xlite
Cheers
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: walks.in2.trees on January 19, 2017, 08:26:33 pm
Check out:
Tarptent.com    (I have been very happy with the double rainbow)
Undergroundquilts.com.      (I recommend the flightjacket series)
Thermrest NEo Air Xlite
Cheers
If I recall correctly, the FlightJacket is UGQ's older TQ design. It might compress better, vs keeping the footbox better lofted in the Renegade. When I bought mine, I had read reports that the Renegade design was preferred, for folks that experience cold feet... But of course I never tried the other, so I can't attest to that myself, but I CAN say that I haven't gotten cold feet, even down to -3°F.

I have the 0°F Zepplin UQ and Renegade TQ, both with 5oz over-stuff, including the footbox ... Either way you'd be happy: excellent workmanship and customer service.  Their ordering system is a bit funky, so be careful, and make sure you check for multiple orders that maybe were accidentally left-over from doing price comparisons (guess what I did) but if you make a mistake or want some custom additions or changes, just send them a message. Also there can be quite a lead time, but their order status page is a big help to combat the impatience.



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Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: ian123running on January 25, 2017, 01:26:59 pm
+1 for NeoAir:  really comfortable and warm, light and packs small.  We had a problem with one (slow leak after 5 years) and ThermaRest replaced it really quickly with no questions.  Impressed.  You do have to set aside a few minutes blowing-up time each day if you're moving on.    If comfort is not an issue ...  we used to camp without any pad at all.   And my daughter camped in Iceland last year using this weight-saving method contrary to Dad's advice!

We slide NeoAir into a Big Agnes double sleeping bag (down) which has pockets designed for the purpose so you never slide off the pad.  It's very elegant system.  Not sure how light their solo bags are.

Ian
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: dancingcyclist on January 25, 2017, 05:54:44 pm
I've been following this post in hopes of hearing about a light, inexpensive sleeping bag to do summer tours with.

Has anybody heard/know anything of "Hyke & Byke" down bags? They have one rated at 32 degrees weighing at 2.2lb. for $99.00.

I'm replacing my current bag which is a down bag made by Feathered Friends rated at -10 degrees weighs in at 3.14 lb. Only reason i'm looking for a new bag is to cut weight.

Thanks
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: RussSeaton on February 01, 2017, 03:19:39 pm
Has anybody heard/know anything of "Hyke & Byke" down bags? They have one rated at 32 degrees weighing at 2.2lb. for $99.00.
I'm replacing my current bag which is a down bag made by Feathered Friends rated at -10 degrees weighs in at 3.14 lb.

2.2 pounds is not a light down bag.  32 degrees for summer camping?  That probably makes sense in upper Canada for summer.  I have a down bag rated at about 45 degrees.  It weighs one pound.  Perfect for summer.  If it got cold, I could put on a balaclava and tights and long sleeve jersey and jacket and wool socks.  Assuming I even bother to carry those cold weather items in summer.  I also doubt a real down bag rated at 32 degrees will be $99.  Down bags are not that cheap unless you get real lucky and catch a super close out sale.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: dancingcyclist on February 01, 2017, 07:48:10 pm
Has anybody heard/know anything of "Hyke & Byke" down bags? They have one rated at 32 degrees weighing at 2.2lb. for $99.00.
I'm replacing my current bag which is a down bag made by Feathered Friends rated at -10 degrees weighs in at 3.14 lb.

2.2 pounds is not a light down bag.  32 degrees for summer camping?  That probably makes sense in upper Canada for summer.  I have a down bag rated at about 45 degrees.  It weighs one pound.  Perfect for summer.  If it got cold, I could put on a balaclava and tights and long sleeve jersey and jacket and wool socks.  Assuming I even bother to carry those cold weather items in summer.  I also doubt a real down bag rated at 32 degrees will be $99.  Down bags are not that cheap unless you get real lucky and catch a super close out sale.

RussSeaton, What's the name of your bag so i can research it? My older down bag weighs 3.14 (rated @ -10). I got it years ago when I was backpacking during winters in the N. Cascades. it's an over kill for summer bike tours. Compared to it 2.2 does seem light.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: DaveB on February 03, 2017, 09:26:42 am
All of the reply posters here seem to be talking to each other.  The OP has never returned to let us know where or when he will be traveling so all of our recommendations are guesses. 
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: RussSeaton on February 03, 2017, 01:52:26 pm
RussSeaton, What's the name of your bag so i can research it? My older down bag weighs 3.14 (rated @ -10).

My one pound 800 down bag is made by Vaude.  I bought it from Sierra Trading on a super duper closeout sale with an extra coupon code sale.  I paid $100 or less.  Its rated for 40-45-50 degrees or so.  Great for summer.  In the winter (25 degrees) I put it inside a 20 degree synthetic bag.
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: ian123running on February 09, 2017, 05:52:03 am
We had a friend who cycle-camped using 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap for a pad.  How we laughed.  It was uncomfortable and cheap.   He reckoned he could have made a 5ft thick mattress of bubble wrap for the cost of our Neo-Air.

Ian
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: DaveB on February 09, 2017, 08:20:40 am
We had a friend who cycle-camped using 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap for a pad.  How we laughed.  It was uncomfortable and cheap.   He reckoned he could have made a 5ft thick mattress of bubble wrap for the cost of our Neo-Air.

Ian
Didn't the "popping" every time he turned over keep all the others awake?
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: ian123running on February 09, 2017, 09:46:15 am
We had a friend who cycle-camped using 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap for a pad.  How we laughed.  It was uncomfortable and cheap.   He reckoned he could have made a 5ft thick mattress of bubble wrap for the cost of our Neo-Air.

Ian
Didn't the "popping" every time he turned over keep all the others awake?
One of the MANY disadvantages.  I suspect he became progressively less comfortable as the trip went on...  though he'd probably argue he could simply visit the local Mailbox Etc to replenish!
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: John Nelson on February 09, 2017, 04:08:12 pm
We had a friend who cycle-camped using 2 or 3 layers of bubble wrap for a pad.  How we laughed.  It was uncomfortable and cheap.   He reckoned he could have made a 5ft thick mattress of bubble wrap for the cost of our Neo-Air.

Ian
Didn't the "popping" every time he turned over keep all the others awake?
One of the MANY disadvantages.  I suspect he became progressively less comfortable as the trip went on...  though he'd probably argue he could simply visit the local Mailbox Etc to replenish!
The sheer volume of that form of pad would be discouraging to me. How are you going to carry it?
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: ian123running on February 10, 2017, 01:42:29 am
John,
He did not carry much - a couple of sheets packed up around his tent.  It's not a recommendation of mine - nor probably of his!   It was pretty funny at the time and basis of a running joke on our two week tour with him.

Anyway, I digress.

Ian
Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: Biketouringhobo on February 14, 2017, 10:33:49 am
Have a look at Nemo Tensor Insulated Sleeping pad
72x20x3
packed 8x3.5in
15oz
15deg F to 25deg F
Insulation Type PrimaLoft and Aluminized Film
Fabric 20D PU Polyester Ripstop

Title: Re: Ultra light sleeping bag, tent and pad?
Post by: RussSeaton on February 14, 2017, 02:25:36 pm
The sheer volume of that form of pad would be discouraging to me. How are you going to carry it?

Yes its a large volume.  But weightless.  Strap it on top of your rear rack and it is fine.  You can pile stuff three feet tall on top of the rear rack and it is fine.  Your body blocks any wind from hitting it and slowing you down.