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Title: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 12:46:09 am
I'm 62. Retired. There is a desire and an opportunity to ride a bicycle around our country.
I cycled several times when my children were small. Later I went alone, on a bicycle with a bicycle trailer. But, of course, I did not make such big trips.
Therefore, with pleasure I will take all sorts of advice on organizing such a trip (according to my calculations a year or a little more).
Perhaps someone has already descended from the north of the country along the East Coast to Florida. Perhaps someone had already crossed the country in the southern states and from Florida to Clifornia.
The same is for the West Coast from south to north and over the northern states back to New York .
My trailer is pretty roomy, so I can take quite a lot of payload. But because the trailer is big, I can not go fast. Approximately 10 miles per hour (40-60 miles per day), this is now my cruising speed.

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I'm going to spend the night, mostly in a tent, sometimes only stopping at motels for hygienic procedures.
But I do not know how people in different states in the country treat a nightman in a tent.
Perhaps in some states this is against the law.
I ask experienced travelers not to be shy and give all sorts of advice.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 02:19:51 am
Supposedly a list of things I'm going to pull behind me:

1.Tent; Two sleeping bags, warm and light; Synthetic mattress and foam for lying; Aluminum folding chair for rest on the road and seating on a halt; A plastic cooler for storing food during the journey and using it as a table for eating; Bag for removable underwear and clothes; Tharp under the tent; Titanium saucepan and frying pan; Gas stove and gas tank; Replacement shoes and waterproof suit.

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2. A pump and a set of tools; a small hatchet and a hunting knife; Solar battery for charging the phone, signal lights in front and behind the bicycle; А strong lantern on the steering wheel to illuminate the road. 

3. Necessary medicines, a general antibiotic, alcohol and hydrogen peroxide.

Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 02:35:34 am
Of course, I understand that I carry too much cargo with me. But I can not, as in my younger years, be content with one blanket for all occasions and eat are only sandwiches.
I already need some comfort. Moreover, I am going on a long leisurely road.
Maybe I'll stop for a few days in the places I like. I do not want to go to big cities, there's nothing for me to do. I prefer small American towns, in which most people know each other by name.
I  was born in another country and when I came to the States, I was amazed at the amiability and friendliness  of the American people, especially in the countryside.
So help me God to make sure that I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: John Nelson on January 11, 2018, 08:21:53 am
Of course you can take anything you want, but make sure you take some shorter test runs before you set out on your epic trip. Take some long, fully loaded rides on some very hilly routes. I don't know where you live, but most of the small back roads are very hilly.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 08:38:18 am
I live in the upper reaches of the Delaware River. We do not have real mountains here, but there are a lot of hills. Yes, up the hill, I have to push my bike by hand. :-\

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Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: canalligators on January 11, 2018, 09:18:06 am
You can have creature comfort without so much heavy gear, especially your heavy trailer.  You need a good tent, a ground pad and sleeping bag or backpacker's quilt.  A light sleep sack can be inserted in your sleeping bag for cooler nights, or used as a sheet for warmer nights.  Take a pillow if you prefer.  DO ensure you'll sleep well, this is very important.

You can find a lot of information on Crazyguyonabike.  Many people put their gear lists in their journals.

The problem with heavy kit is that it's very hard to drag it up hills.  You do not need to go ultra light, but you could easily take 20 lbs. off your kit.

On first glance, I would not use the Thule carrier on the trailer.  Use a waterproof bag, such as the BOB bag or drybags that are used for boating.  I would not take a cooler, you can buy cold items as you go.  If you must take a cooler, say if you have medications to keep cold, you can use a soft-sided insulated bag. 

As for camping, you should respect signs that say No Trespassing or Posted.  You can camp in town parks, or along waterways.  Often you can camp along bike trails.  Public campgrounds usually have showers, so that takes care of your hygenic needs.

Good luck, and have a pleasant trip.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: John Nelson on January 11, 2018, 09:55:12 am
Yes, up the hill, I have to push my bike by hand.
As long as you're okay with that, then I'd say you're good to go. What you're doing is certainly not the norm, but that's okay. Have fun!
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 10:07:16 am
Thank you for the answers.
Even if I contradict, this does not mean that I do not reflect on your advice and wishes.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 10:13:15 am
About food.
What kind of diet do you prefer on the road?
Do you cook soup or porridge? How do you transport fats and meat?
What water do you use?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 10:22:10 am
About food.
What kind of diet do you prefer on the road?
Do you cook soup or porridge? How do you transport fats and meat?
What water do you use?

Everyone eats differently. I don’t consume many calories on tour. Your body may need more. For me I usually have a donut/coffee for breakfast. For lunch I carry a few granola bars and will snack on those. Occasionally I’ll grab a cold sandwich/chips. For dinner it’s either a cold sandwich/chips or fast food. I don’t cook on tour. For me it’s too much work and I travel pretty light (10lbs or so).

Not sure I understand your question about what water we use?

I can’t imagine carrying the load you’re carrying though. My first tour I was going to do the same. A few local rides and I ditched the trailer and most of my gear.

Good luck.

PS: All the routes you mentioned in your first post are ACA routes. Southern Tier, TransAm, Northern Tier, Atlantic Coast, Pacific Coast.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 10:31:44 am
Again, thank you.
Water, I meant, in those places where there is no possibility to take drinking water, as you purify water for drinking or making food.
Do you need to filter water or boil enough?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 10:42:08 am
Again, thank you.
Water, I meant, in those places where there is no possibility to take drinking water, as you purify water for drinking or making food.
Do you need to filter water or boil enough?

I’ve never been in a place on all my tours where water wasn’t available at some point in the day. . In those long stretches I just carry extra water.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 10:51:23 am
Me too. But more gallon to take with me, too heavy. If it's hot, a gallon, a maximum of two days.
Once I crossed Florida on a motorcycle, it was very hot, and there was nowhere to take drinking water. Only some suspicious lakes with muddy water.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 10:55:36 am
How safe is a bicyclist on the road? I traveled all over the East Coast and Alaska, but I was never in the Midwest, for example, and California.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 11:01:30 am
Me too. But more gallon to take with me, too heavy. If it's hot, a gallon, a maximum of two days.
Once I crossed Florida on a motorcycle, it was very hot, and there was nowhere to take drinking water. Only some suspicious lakes with muddy water.

That’s why most people start the Southern Tier in February or early March. When it’s hot ride in the mornings and evenings. No need to ride in the heat of the afternoon. I’ve only ran out of water a few times while on tour. I just went to someone’s house and asked to use their garden hose.

As for safety... You’re asking the wrong person. I was hit twice in 2017. Once seriously. But I’m riding Route 66 this year. You can be as safe as you can but you only control so much. Some states are safer than others. I tend to stick to low traffic roads when I can. Except freeways. I’ll ride those when legal (or when it cuts a bunch of mileage off). The shoulders are huge usually. You shouldn’t worry about it though. I don’t despite what happened.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: John Nelson on January 11, 2018, 11:14:05 am
Loader, it's fun to have someone here with lots of basic questions! Your questions are pretty easy for us to answer.

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more gallon to take with me, too heavy.

Really? With all the stuff you're carrying, a few gallons of water is practically nothing.

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How safe is a bicyclist on the road?

Safer than most people think, and probably safer than you are at home. Getting hit by a car is your biggest risk. Getting attacked by a psycho killer or a grizzly bear are your smallest risks. Having your stuff stolen is a medium risk, but you can control that risk by being careful.

I’ve never been in a place on all my tours where water wasn’t available at some point in the day.
Rare, but such places certainly exist in the U.S. I've carried as much as three gallons for crossing the Mojave desert.

Do you need to filter water or boil enough?

You can carry a filter if you want. However I've found that, except for wilderness touring on a mountain bike, places that lack available potable drinking water also lack available surface water to purify (at least in first-world countries).

What kind of diet do you prefer on the road?

What kind of diet do you prefer at home? It varies by person and by how much you enjoy cooking, and if you have dietary restrictions. I can get by just fine with cold food, so I don't feel the need to cook (although I do anyway sometimes, just for fun). I take non-perishable food (energy bars, jerky, peanut butter, candy bars, pop tarts, etc.) for emergencies and the rare places where there is no food available for purchase, and consume perishable foods within a few hours of purchase. I sometimes carry a small alcohol stove for making dried foods such as oatmeal or rice.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 02:06:10 pm
I myself was lying all broken half a year in 2004. Returned at night home from work on a motorcycle, and on the lightbox I was hit by a car.
Fracture of the arm, contusion and fracture of the foot, brain concussion and two cracks in the spine.
But I asked about the possibility of banditry or robbery.

In my state are quite calm, I often travel to New Jersey and Pennsylvania, too, there was no problem, so far.
But, I repeat, I've never been in the central states and I do not know what morals people have there.
Moreover, I have a strong accent when I try to speak English. >:(
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 02:16:23 pm
  You see mr. John Nelson,  I'm no longer a boy, although not quite old men. But although I'm not quite old, I already have to watch my digestion. In addition, the blood sugar is already elevated and should be monitored. It's just such a great journey in my life and I need to prepare seriously for it.
Especially now we have snow and it is cold and it is not possible to ride a bicycle. Although I saw cyclings in Alaska at -33 C
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 02:21:55 pm
Another important question.
How much cost is a long journey for you. How much, for example, cost the trans-American travel.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 02:53:01 pm
Another important question.
How much cost is a long journey for you. How much, for example, cost the trans-American travel.

That’ll vary as well. I’ve toured a lot and my cheapest tour ended up being my longest. I averaged $7.50/day. $720 total over 96 days. My most expensive was $15.93/day. $956 over 60 days. I don’t eat much and tend to camp for free as much as possible. I’ll have about $600 for my Route 66 ride this year. Planning on taking 60ish days.

That’s not the norm though. Most cyclist spend a lot more. That’s not a luxury I have though. Those prices don’t include transportation cost to/from the tour and BikeFlight cost.

John Nelson: How do you quote multiple people at once? 3 gallons is a lot! I can only carry about a gallon with me at any given time. I don’t consume too much water though. I plan to add extra water carrying capacity before I hit the desert on tour this year.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 03:07:02 pm
Another important question.
How much cost is a long journey for you. How much, for example, cost the trans-American travel.

That’ll vary as well. I’ve toured a lot and my cheapest tour ended up being my longest. I averaged $7.50/day. $720 total over 96 days. My most expensive was $15.93/day. $956 over 60 days. I don’t eat much and tend to camp for free as much as possible. I’ll have about $600 for my Route 66 ride this year. Planning on taking 60ish days.

That’s not the norm though. Most cyclist spend a lot more. That’s not a luxury I have though. Those prices don’t include transportation cost to/from the tour and BikeFlight cost.

John Nelson: How do you quote multiple people at once? 3 gallons is a lot! I can only carry about a gallon with me at any given time. I don’t consume too much water though. I plan to add extra water carrying capacity before I hit the desert on tour this year.

Perfectly! This is fully included in my calculations.
I receive a pension from the company where I worked and in February I will begin to receive Social Security, this should be enough for traveling, food and spare parts for a bicycle, if needed.

Another naive question.
Many bridges do not have a pedestrian or bicycling track. How do you act in this case?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 03:12:13 pm

Another naive question.
Many bridges do not have a pedestrian or bicycling track. How do you act in this case?

Either take the lane of travel or find a bridge that does have a bike lane. Bridges aren’t usually too long.

Have you considered purchasing the ACA maps and following their routes? They’ll tell you what you need to know for crossing bridges and everything else.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 03:17:22 pm

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Have you considered purchasing the ACA maps and following their routes?
Are these apps for the smartphone?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 03:30:05 pm

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Have you considered purchasing the ACA maps and following their routes?
Are these apps for the smartphone?

They have both. Digital and physical maps.

https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/route-maps/
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 03:34:40 pm
 
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They have both. Digital and physical maps.
It's good. I always prefer paper maps, it's easier to navigate the terrain. But I do not disdain the electronic ones either.
Where can they be bought?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 03:36:25 pm
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https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/route-maps/
O!  I can see now!
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 03:41:18 pm
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Price
$15.75

Wow! they are expensive! :o
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 03:45:48 pm
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Price
$15.75

Wow! they are expensive! :o

Not too bad. They’re waterproof and tearproof. And you can always sell them after your trip. There’s a classifieds section on here.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 04:05:59 pm
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Not too bad.

A set of 7 maps only for the East Coast! 15 x 7 = a lot! :'(
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: John Nelson on January 11, 2018, 04:09:07 pm
Wow! they are expensive! :o
I have found that they easily pay for themselves by helping you find free places to sleep. They also considerably improve your safety by keeping you on off-beat roads. But they aren't any good unless you follow the exact route they lay out.

Many bridges do not have a pedestrian or bicycling track. How do you act in this case?
Depends on the route. Going across the country east-west, the longest bridges you will encounter are across the biggest rivers, such as the Mississippi. Going down the Pacific Coast, there are many bridges more than a mile long. As you say, most bridges don't have a good accommodation for bicycles. The best bet is to try to arrange your route so that you can ride them early in the morning. This isn't always possible, so you just have to grit your teeth and go for it. As Ty said, take the lane, completely blocking the cars from trying to pass you. They might get annoyed, but they'll deal with it.

John Nelson: How do you quote multiple people at once?

While you are in the middle of composing a reply, look for "Insert Quote".

3 gallons is a lot! I can only carry about a gallon with me at any given time. I don’t consume too much water though. I plan to add extra water carrying capacity before I hit the desert on tour this year.

Plenty of water is the secret for not dying in the desert in the summer. I spread the water around. Three quarts in water bottles on the frame. One quart in each of the four panniers. A two-liter platypus strapped to the top of each rear pannier.

How much cost is a long journey for you. How much, for example, cost the trans-American travel.

When I did the ACA TransAm route, I averaged $16 a day. $12 of that was for food. The secret to cheap travel is never to pay to sleep. The ACA TransAm route is the most well-established route in the country, and the ACA maps tell you how to find free places to sleep. Also, since people along the ACA TransAm are used to cyclists, there are many that will offer you food. When I have done other routes, I have indulged in campgrounds that require payment, and received less hospitality. On those tours, I average $32 a day. I eat in a restaurant about once a day and eat grocery store food the rest of the time. You can save more money by staying out of restaurants and never buying alcohol or sports drinks.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 11, 2018, 04:13:04 pm
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Not too bad.

A set of 7 maps only for the East Coast! 15 x 7 = a lot! :'(

They’re a lot cheaper if you’re an ACA member. 30% off sets and 20% off single maps. The $103.75 Atlantic Coast Route maps become $71.75 for the set. Since you’re over 60 it’d be $39/year for you to join.

They’re not cheap to produce though and they have to pay their overhead.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 04:25:06 pm
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’re not cheap to produce though and they have to pay their overhead.
I understand. But after retiring, I became greedy. I had Garmin Edge 705 for $ 700, which I, unfortunately, lost. But I was working then, and such a waste did not seem too big to me.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 04:36:47 pm
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You can save more money by staying out of restaurants and never buying alcohol or sports drinks.
Alcohol during cycling? With a pipe in the mouth? ;D
Unfortunately, the times when I smoked and drunk a lot of alcohol have already passed.
I plan to cook my own food and buy only raw products for cooking.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Pat Lamb on January 11, 2018, 11:12:08 pm
(Here comes another fool rushing in where ... )

Let me suggest the O.P. spend some time poking around the Adventure Cycling HowTo department: https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/how-to-department/  Lots of questions are answered therein.

AC maps are well worth their cost, IMO, particularly for a beginning bicycle tourist.  If you ask a bunch of strangers how to ride down the east coast, at least one is likely to tell you U.S. 1 and another I-95.  Oh, you're going to pedal a BICYCLE?!?  Adventure Cycling has put a lot of resources into selecting routes, documenting those routes, and highlighting services, camping and lodging options, etc.

You're retired, and on a limited budget.  How much does it cost you to live, per month, when you're at home?  Bicycle touring can be as expensive as you want it to be, or darned cheap.  $500/month (about $15/night) is less than most of us live on.  Just think how much you can save by not paying for cable and internet access!  And do you really want to spend your life watching figure skating, pre-season baseball, the hockey playoffs, gymnastics, baseball, the basketball playoffs, figure skating, baseball, the NFL draft, knife forging, championship log rolling, figure skating, and baseball?  Or would you rather get out and see the country and talk to the people who live there, while you can? 
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 11, 2018, 11:47:31 pm
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Let me suggest the O.P. spend some time poking around the Adventure Cycling HowTo department

I am sorry, but this link bring me hear:

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This www.adventurecycling.org page can’t be found
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 12, 2018, 12:03:10 am
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Let me suggest the O.P. spend some time poking around the Adventure Cycling HowTo department

I am sorry, but this link bring me hear:

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This www.adventurecycling.org page can’t be found

https://www.adventurecycling.org/resources/how-to-department/

Try that
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 12, 2018, 11:32:47 am
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Try that

This one works, thanks.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 12, 2018, 12:03:08 pm
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Try that

This one works, thanks.

Glad it works. Good luck.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 12, 2018, 03:40:40 pm
Another question.

Which bicycle handlebar do you prefer for long journeys?


Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 12, 2018, 05:35:52 pm
Another question.

Which bicycle handlebar do you prefer for long journeys?

I use regular drop bars. My bike came with flared bars but they were ugly lol
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: John Nelson on January 12, 2018, 05:50:22 pm
I use regular drop bars.

+1
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 12, 2018, 06:29:13 pm
I am planning to go on a Bicycle Touring trip on the Southern Tier Bicycle Route from Tampa, FL to San Diego, CA.

Why Tampa?
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Pat Lamb on January 13, 2018, 10:24:36 am
Which bicycle handlebar do you prefer for long journeys?

Drop bars, they came on my bike.  This is another of those "anything will work, but we can debate 'best' for months" questions. 

Get out and ride!  If you don't have a bike, get one, get out and ride!  If you're going to tour, probably the single best predictor of success is how much saddle time on the bike you have before you start.  A red bike may be faster than a black one, and a green bike easier to hide while stealth camping, but none of that matters if you ride 150 miles, decide it's too much, and pack it in.
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Post by: Loader on January 13, 2018, 09:56:22 pm
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Get out and ride!

I ride and quite a lot.

But I'm getting old and my body is changing every year.

Earlier, like most cyclists, I used а drop bars, but later it was too low to bend over to it.

Then I began to use the handlebar from a mountain bike, it's better for the back, but my hands are numb.

Only on this I fool the brains of the respected public, in the hope of a magical recipe.
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Post by: Loader on January 16, 2018, 12:41:44 am
Nutrient mixture.

When I go to more or less distant bike tours, I take with myself a nutritious mixture, two or three teaspoons of which restore my strength at halt.

I have been doing this mixture for many years myself, so share a recipe.

I take the raw chocolate (without sugar), straighten it in a stainless steel saucepan (about half the volume), then add there the salted cow butter, honey, crushed walnuts and picas nuts, raisins and dried cherries.

Sweetness can be regulated by the amount of honey in the composition.

I let the molten mass cool down a little and I pour it into a plastic container that is not afraid of transportation.

Of course, for many modern young people, this magic balsam seems to be a very unhelpful meal, but believe me, it reinforces the strength considerably.

Ten years ago, when I and my son traveled around  Alaska, this sweet compound and drinking alcohol, which I give to infuse on kayenne pepper and honey with honeycomb, was always with us.

And the drink and the composition suited our friends in Alaska very well. ;D

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Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 16, 2018, 12:46:17 am
This is something you make on tour or at home before you leave?
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Post by: Loader on January 16, 2018, 01:33:09 am
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This is something you make on tour or at home before you leave?
Аt home. This composition can be prepared in advance and stored in the refrigerator for several months or even years. It does not spoil.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: DaveB on January 16, 2018, 09:38:02 am
Yes, up the hill, I have to push my bike by hand. :-\
Pushing a bike up hill is OK for relatively short hills but gets old fast if the climb goes on for many miles as in the Rockies or Appalachians.   Be sure you have a very low low gear and lighten that load a lot.  You have so much there that isn't needed.
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Post by: PNWRider92 on January 16, 2018, 10:52:52 am
Yes, up the hill, I have to push my bike by hand. :-\
Pushing a bike up hill is OK for relatively short hills but gets old fast if the climb goes on for many miles as in the Rockies or Appalachians.   Be sure you have a very low low gear and lighten that load a lot.  You have so much there that isn't needed.

+1
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Post by: Loader on January 16, 2018, 08:11:50 pm
Guys, I know. That's my problem. I want to have with me everything that can be useful.

But on the other hand, my goal is not to reach any point, having traveled all the way as quickly as possible, but to see what I did not see before, having flown around the country on a motorcycle or a car.

My regular bike (Mongoose) has three gears in front and 8 in the back. But maybe I'll move to Cannondale, which has 4 gears in front and 9 on the rear wheel.
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Post by: PNWRider92 on January 16, 2018, 08:48:43 pm
You’ll quickly learn what you can live without. Therefore how I went from 20lbs to 8lbs of gear.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 17, 2018, 10:42:44 am
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Therefore how I went from 20lbs to 8lbs of gear.

This is possible if you are going on a short trip.

Or for a trip with a "credit card", when you stay in hotels or motels for the night and eat in restaurants.

I want to make my trip as cheap as possible with the maximum comfort that I can afford.

Well, if it's too hard, I'll just throw it out on the road. :'(
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Post by: Loader on January 17, 2018, 10:51:12 am
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Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Westinghouse on January 18, 2018, 01:27:43 pm
It looks like an active ambitious tour. I like the idea of it. I would not haul all that equipment, myself, and to each his own. Generally, there is not much risk except for traffic. Even the most blood thirsty serial killers leave long distance cyclists alone. There are people who would steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes, so that is something to think about. Keep an eye on things.
I have cycled about 35,000--40,000 miles through 19 countries, stealth about 80% of the nights. I did not have any problems from animals or people during all that time. I have had a hard time many times locating a nice place to camp for the night.
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Post by: Loader on January 18, 2018, 02:04:19 pm
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I have had a hard time many times locating a nice place to camp for the night.

А familiar person, with whom we communicated in one of the forums, was brutally murdered by local people when he traveled from his city to the Far East. >:(

Local people took his phone ...

It was in Russia a few years ago.
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Post by: Loader on January 18, 2018, 02:06:43 pm
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I have cycled about 35,000--40,000 miles through 19 countries,

Very envious ...
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 18, 2018, 04:17:08 pm
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Therefore how I went from 20lbs to 8lbs of gear.

This is possible if you are going on a short trip.

Or for a trip with a "credit card", when you stay in hotels or motels for the night and eat in restaurants.

I want to make my trip as cheap as possible with the maximum comfort that I can afford.

Well, if it's too hard, I'll just throw it out on the road. :'(

I rode from Keystone, SD to Portland, ME (a distance of 4,000 miles the way I traveled) with 8lbs of gear while only staying in 3 hotels and rarely ever eating out.

So it's totally possible to do it on a long tour without a credit card.

Whatever makes you comfortable though.

And this isn't Russia... No one has ever bothered me on any of my tours. It seems like a silly thing to worry about.
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Post by: Loader on January 18, 2018, 08:15:34 pm
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And this isn't Russia...

Thank God!

I, too, had no problems during cycling or motorcycle travel on the United States.

But my former son-in-law was robbed when he stopped to rest in a park in Texas.

Sometimes I have an idea to take a revolver with me to the road, which I bought in Alaska, in the hope of defending myself from the bears. ;D

I have the permit of the State of NY to conceal the carrying of weapons, but, unfortunately, far from all the rest of the states respect this permission.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 19, 2018, 12:39:06 pm
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And this isn't Russia...

Thank God!

I, too, had no problems during cycling or motorcycle travel on the United States.

But my former son-in-law was robbed when he stopped to rest in a park in Texas.

Sometimes I have an idea to take a revolver with me to the road, which I bought in Alaska, in the hope of defending myself from the bears. ;D

I have the permit of the State of NY to conceal the carrying of weapons, but, unfortunately, far from all the rest of the states respect this permission.

Just carry bear spray. It’s legal and enough to piss any animal/human off without killing them.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Westinghouse on January 22, 2018, 04:24:09 pm
I read an article on concealed carrying. It said permits from Florida were good for AL, MS, LA, TX, NM, AZ. It did not mention CA.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 22, 2018, 04:45:07 pm
There's 36 states that recognize Florida's conceal permits. California is not one of them. Each state varies it's laws a little. Some require you to be a Florida resident. Others say which type of weapons you may carry.

Florida’s reciprocity states include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on January 22, 2018, 07:25:00 pm
I wonder how the drivers of large trucks bypass these rules? I know that almost all of them have a shotgun or pistol in the cockpit.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: PNWRider92 on January 22, 2018, 07:33:35 pm
I wonder how the drivers of large trucks bypass these rules? I know that almost all of them have a shotgun or pistol in the cockpit.

Trucking is regulated federally. The FMCSA (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) has no regulations concerning firearms transported for personal protection.
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Post by: Loader on January 22, 2018, 11:59:40 pm
Aha. But can we, cyclists, also have the right to carry a legal weapon in our luggage?
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Post by: Westinghouse on January 23, 2018, 07:04:14 am
I was thinking only in terms of the Southern Tier for reciprocity. I had no idea Florida's concealed permit was recognized in 36 States. I qualify for a concealed permit but I have no intention of carrying a weapon. I simply haven't ever needed one.
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Post by: Loader on January 23, 2018, 08:52:22 am
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I simply haven't ever needed one.

Me too.

But I asked if we can, carry weapons legally. This is a theoretical question.
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Post by: PNWRider92 on January 23, 2018, 08:53:31 am
Aha. But can we, cyclists, also have the right to carry a legal weapon in our luggage?

No. Bicycling isn’t federally mandated. In all of my tours I haven’t met a single person who was carrying a weapon. If you’re that concerned carry bear spray or a similar mace.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Westinghouse on January 23, 2018, 10:46:47 am
 If a person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon I cannot imagine that being on a bicycle would restrict or void that right or privilege. That is a legal question. I would call the various State agencies or contact a lawyer just to make sure.
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Post by: PNWRider92 on January 23, 2018, 10:55:18 am
If a person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon I cannot imagine that being on a bicycle would restrict or void that right or privilege. That is a legal question. I would call the various State agencies or contact a lawyer just to make sure.

My point was that truckers are exempt because of FMCSA regulations. Bicyclist aren’t exempt. The FMCSA doesn’t include bicyclist in their regulations. His question was regarding how truckers can do it and not bicyclist. The FMCSA is how:)

I’d recommend a website like City Data or Legal Forums though for further information.
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Post by: Westinghouse on January 23, 2018, 11:54:09 am
I do not know exactly why and I never gave it any thought. That has never been an issue with me or anyone that I know. My impression is that he's considering a long-distance bicycling trip and is thinking about carrying a firearm with him for protection.
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Post by: Loader on January 24, 2018, 06:29:07 pm
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carrying a firearm with him for protection.

Еxactly  right.

Since, most of my life I lived in a socialist country where my human and citizen rights were infringed, I very much care for the 2 amendments to the US Constitution.

I am very disgusted that some states and some cities have introduced illegal acts on the possession of weapons.

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Post by: Loader on January 24, 2018, 06:34:51 pm
The clothes of a bicyclist.

Usually, I ride in synthetic clothes and change clothes for the night in cotton or fleece.

I'm interested in what you do, people who have more experience than I in distant cycling.
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Post by: Westinghouse on January 24, 2018, 07:38:19 pm
You are in the right place on the right Forum looking for information about long-distance bicycle touring. I know about the touring and camping aspects of it. My technical knowledge about mechanics and Goering and the different types of bicycles is a little bit short because I didn't bother to find out that much about that. There are people on this forum who seem to have an intricate knowledge of the mechanics and of the cycling and camping.
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Post by: John Nelson on January 25, 2018, 12:46:36 am
I don’t carry anything cotton or fleece, but I’m more weight-sensitive than you are.
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Post by: Loader on January 25, 2018, 09:18:46 pm
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You are in the right place on the right Forum looking for information about long-distance bicycle touring.

What is Goering?

My translator wrote for me the name of the Hitlerite minister. ;D

I take all your advice with great attention and gratitude.

This trip should be a new stage in my life.
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Post by: Loader on January 25, 2018, 09:27:32 pm
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I don’t carry anything cotton or fleece, but I’m more weight-sensitive than you are.

I understand this, but it's important for me to sleep well and I do not want to turn my life into a test for strength.

I already had a lot of time to test myself and find out what I am.

For me, this should not be a journey, but a tourist trip to the country's priceless places.

(I'm sorry, but this Google translator is so pompously corrects my text). :-[
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Post by: Westinghouse on January 25, 2018, 09:31:36 pm
The word is gearing. The sentence was spoken into the phone add the phone translated the word incorrectly.
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Post by: Loader on February 01, 2018, 07:08:06 pm
At 30 I went on a fairly long bicycle trips, completely without thinking about the equipment, food and hygiene.

At 35 I began riding with my two children, one of whom was 5 years old, and the other 11.

The younger one did not have yet his own bicycle and he was traveling with me on a small stool on the frame.

When my son was 6, and my daughter was 12, I took them to the farthest our journey, along the coast of the Crimea.

Children's bicycles did not have gears, but they bravely pedaled along the mountain roads of the Crimean peninsula.

Bicycles made in the USSR, were significantly worse than the current made in China, and all the time something was broken, and to buy spare parts was impossible.

I had to use steel wire and brain savvy, how to fix a fallen off pedal, for example.

Nevertheless, we traveled happily and were very happy with the adventure.
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Post by: Westinghouse on February 01, 2018, 07:34:42 pm
That's cool.
Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on February 02, 2018, 01:52:03 pm
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then ride to Scranton, PA to Start a loop of the Pocono Mountains and North Western New Jersey..

I live in very beautiful places just 12 miles from the western border of New Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania. And, of course, I know this area pretty well.

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From Scranton to NJ, I would return on Route 6, although this is a big hook, but the road is very picturesque and wide, with a great shoulder. You will pass by the largest lake in Pennsylvania.
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Post by: Loader on February 04, 2018, 10:48:05 pm
To my regret, I do not see many cyclists in the upper reaches of Delaware.

Although there is even a specialized bicycle resort in the village of Glen Spey.

Road 97 (NY) runs along the river bank from Hancock itself, to Port Jervis, and then you can take the road 209 (PA) from Milford to Stroudsburg (delaware water gap).

It is about 80 miles of magnificent views.

Two days tour of the weekend, average complexity.

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Title: Re: From NY to Florida. From Florida to California and beck no NY&
Post by: Loader on February 06, 2018, 10:35:49 pm
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and my Family is from Scranton, PA and Hawley

And you are lucky!

I am a member of the gun club in Hawley, these are wonderful kind and friendly people.


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 We meet at the shooting range near Hawley, usually on weekends, and we can spend the whole day there.

Everyone wants to brag about their favorite weapons, tell his story and discuss the history of other guns.