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Title: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: misterflask on February 20, 2018, 11:27:55 pm
I just discovered Marathon Supremes (apparently they've been around most of forever).  I put a set on my gravel bike and am awed by their speediness.  Close your eyes and you'll forget you're not on your road bike, something that never happens with my Marathon Pluses.  I so want to put a set on the tourer, but wanted to hear how the gang weighed in.  A forum search found two posts at the extremes (never flat/flat every ten miles).  So, surely somebody has been put some hard miles on these...
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: tablatom on February 21, 2018, 01:39:55 am
I just bought my first pair.
This shows just how fast they are.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/schwalbe-marathon-supreme-2016

I've been running Vittoria Voyager Hyper's which are rated even faster.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/vittoria-voyager-hyper-2016

Amazing for road/gravel/dry hardpack.
They are really cheap here in the UK. Watch out for the sizing, add 2 -3 mm to the width of all three 32 - 35 - 38. Thats with 19mm i.w. rims.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: RonK on February 21, 2018, 04:43:46 am
I've been using Supremes on my touring bikes for a decade. In that time I have had no more than a handful of punctures.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: John Nelson on February 21, 2018, 08:22:58 am
Every tire is one of a kind. My first Supreme developed a sidewall bulge after 4130 rear miles. I retired my other after 5553 miles. I use Mondial (folding, not wire) now. Probably not as fast as the Supremes, but tougher.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Figaro on February 21, 2018, 09:13:33 am
Interesting discussion and something I have been thinking about lately. I bought my touring bike last September--a 2017 Trek 520--and it came with Bontranger AW1 700 x 32 tires. I've put a little over 1,700 miles on them to date. I'm planning on doing the TransAm this spring starting late May, so figure I'll need to replace them before I take off. I've had no problems with them thus far--no flats. If that continues between now and May, I'm considering just replacing them with the same tire. Good plan or should I consider a Marathon tire? I've read a lot about them, but have no experience with them. I'm just generally of the mind, if it isn't broke then don't fix it and since virtually everything on the bike is Bontranger, the tires have performed well thus far, then stick with them???
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: misterflask on February 21, 2018, 10:24:23 am

<<Good plan or should I consider a Marathon tire?>>

I don't have any trips over a week planned, so the Supremes look good, assuming some further validation by the forum.  But the Marathon Pluses are just about bulletproof and I would probably use them if I did the TA again.  On my trip I replaced a rear tire for wear, prematurely, and in retrospect I can say the initial set of tires would have made the entire trip if I had rotated them.  I'm still riding the front tire and I think it probably has 6000 or so miles.  FYI I'm heavy and pack heavy, so they carried quite a load.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: John Nelson on February 21, 2018, 10:50:58 am
Interesting discussion and something I have been thinking about lately. I bought my touring bike last September--a 2017 Trek 520--and it came with Bontranger AW1 700 x 32 tires. I've put a little over 1,700 miles on them to date. I'm planning on doing the TransAm this spring starting late May, so figure I'll need to replace them before I take off. I've had no problems with them thus far--no flats. If that continues between now and May, I'm considering just replacing them with the same tire. Good plan or should I consider a Marathon tire? I've read a lot about them, but have no experience with them. I'm just generally of the mind, if it isn't broke then don't fix it and since virtually everything on the bike is Bontranger, the tires have performed well thus far, then stick with them???

Not apples-to-apples. Have you ridden the 1700 miles loaded with all your gear? Are you going to ride the TransAm loaded with all your gear?
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Inge on February 22, 2018, 01:30:50 am
I started out using Little Big Bens (40-622) but switched last year to Marathon Almotions (50-622) and I like these lots. If you stay mainly on the road with the occasional gravel road/ dirt track you will like these - I am sure. Cycled around 2000km on them now and 1st thought of replacing them for my 8 weeks tour coming summer but seeing how well they still look - hardly any wear on them - I am not going to do that.

So maybe another tyre to take into consideration.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: dkoloko on February 24, 2018, 10:51:38 am
I have been running Marathon Supremes for three years or so; no problems. I don't know if they are speedy, but they are faster than what I had been using. Flats have been virtually nil.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: jamawani on February 24, 2018, 12:21:14 pm
My favorite is "Stop! In the Name of Love".
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: misterflask on February 25, 2018, 07:29:51 am
<<but switched last year to Marathon Almotions (50-622) >>

Almotions it is; just ordered a pair.  Thanks Inge. 

Per www.bicyclerollingresistance.com, super-low rolling resistance for a touring tire and comparable puncture resistance to the Marathon Plus.  Gotta love the rollingresistance guys for quantifying what we usually trade as anecdote.

I expect riding these tires to be a delight compared to the Marathon Pluses, which always feel like you're riding through mud.

tnx agn all
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Inge on February 26, 2018, 02:06:46 am
You are very welcome!

Let us know in due time what you think.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Figaro on February 26, 2018, 12:32:06 pm
Interesting discussion and something I have been thinking about lately. I bought my touring bike last September--a 2017 Trek 520--and it came with Bontranger AW1 700 x 32 tires. I've put a little over 1,700 miles on them to date. I'm planning on doing the TransAm this spring starting late May, so figure I'll need to replace them before I take off. I've had no problems with them thus far--no flats. If that continues between now and May, I'm considering just replacing them with the same tire. Good plan or should I consider a Marathon tire? I've read a lot about them, but have no experience with them. I'm just generally of the mind, if it isn't broke then don't fix it and since virtually everything on the bike is Bontranger, the tires have performed well thus far, then stick with them???

Not apples-to-apples. Have you ridden the 1700 miles loaded with all your gear? Are you going to ride the TransAm loaded with all your gear?

No...I've been riding partially loaded (still collecting my equipment) since Jan--probably about 500 miles. Decided then to do all my training rides with panniers and handlebar bag like I'll be doing on tour.  I would say I have about 60% of the weight I will be carrying in my panniers.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: John Nelson on February 26, 2018, 12:54:02 pm
No...I've been riding partially loaded (still collecting my equipment) since Jan--probably about 500 miles. Decided then to do all my training rides with panniers and handlebar bag like I'll be doing on tour.  I would say I have about 60% of the weight I will be carrying in my panniers.

Thanks for the update. Although conventional wisdom is that the Marathons are better, you can certainly go with what has worked well for you.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: crichman on April 04, 2018, 01:17:19 pm
Zero flats with my 26x1.6 Supremes on my 2016 TransAm self-supported camping tour.  Just a couple in 4,000 miles or so of urban commuting.

They've got lousy traction in off-road mud, but that's not what they're really for. 

They're a delight and recommended without reservation.

Charlie
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Figaro on April 04, 2018, 07:33:32 pm
Ok, I'm ready to buy new tires for my Trek 520. I have almost 2k on the tires that came on the bike and although I'm sure they have a lot of life in them, I want to put on a new set before my transam trip this summer. I was going to just buy the same tire, but have decided to go ahead and go with the Marathon Supremes. My current tires are Bontranger AW1 700 x 32. I assume I would buy the 11600787 32-622 (700 x 32C) V-Guard from the list below as the correct replacement? Thanks.

https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires/marathon_supreme
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes... Width?
Post by: bglaser496 on April 05, 2018, 08:35:00 am
What tire width are people touring with.  Planning for almost all paved with a bit of gravel.  total bike and gear = 45lbs.  also, are the Marathon Supreme tubeless compatible?
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Pat Lamb on April 05, 2018, 09:50:57 am
Depends on the gravel, though I'd start with 35s.  On pavement I'm comfortable with 32 - except those gosh awful expansion joints in Kansas and eastern Colorado; 3" might be ok there.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: dkoloko on April 05, 2018, 01:46:49 pm
I do not know if the current production of Marathon Supremes is all tubeless compatible; I do know there are new Supremes being sold that are tubeless and new Supremes being sold that are not.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Inge on April 08, 2018, 02:04:42 am
Do not have the sypremes burt the Almotions (50mm) - and before that Little Big Ben's - 40mm. Even though I mainly ride tarmac, packed gravel I prefer my Almotions over the Little Big Ben's. Simply because they are more comfortabel. The difference in width I do not notice on the road but gives me the advantage, should I come across some dirt road, loose gravel that it is not a problem to ride it.

Must say that I do not ride tubeless for me it has no advantages over non-tubeless.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: planeguy5 on April 08, 2018, 01:23:14 pm
I have had mixed experiences with the 35mm Schwalbe Marathon Supremes that I'm using on my Novara Mazama. As previous folks have written, you can't really beat them for their combination of low rolling resistance and high puncture protection. I used them on the TransAm two years ago, and only had two flats (both of which I suspect were due to shifting rim tape). I continue to use them while commuting and doing some lighter touring here in the northwest, and never worry about flats. That being said, they have worn faster than I was expecting, especially given their steep price. Perhaps this premature wear is due to the heavier loads I've toured with, or the fact that I usually use them in conjunction with a tire liner. Either way, I reported some of the wear anomalies to Schwalbe, and they were kind enough to send me a new pair free-of-charge.

I guess my overall sentiment is that they are excellent tires, but you (probably) won't get as many miles out of them as you will from other heavier tires, such as Mondials or Marahon Supremes.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: misterflask on April 08, 2018, 04:26:12 pm
<<I used them on the TransAm two years ago, >>

Did you finish the TA with one set?  I would have considered that to be adequate life. 

My goal for tire life is a penny a mile.  1000 miles on a $10.00 tire or 5000 miles on a $50.00 tire. 
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: Figaro on April 14, 2018, 05:46:39 pm
Replaced my Bontranger AW1 700 x 32 with a new set of Marathon Supreme 700 x 32 today and took them for a 30 miler. I like them...seem to roll a bit easier than the stock Bontrangers. I have a little over a month to break them in before I head out on the TA.....hope they live up to the hype.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: hikerjer on April 19, 2018, 10:33:56 pm
I've run Supremes on my touring bike on two, two thousand+ mile tours and then put them on my commuter bike. After literally thousands and thousand of miles, I have yet to get a flat. Amazing! I don't know if they are particularly fast, but they sure are durable.
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: dmeans2anend on June 01, 2018, 01:55:15 pm

I recently read an interesting article comparing the rolling resistance for just the Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard based on width of the tires.

Interestingly, of the four sizes evaluated (32mm, 37mm, 40mm, and 42 mm), the best rolling resistance was the 37 mm tire size for the Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard. 

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/schwalbe-marathon-32-37-40-47

Wish the same article was done on the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires. 
Title: Re: Marathon Supremes...
Post by: hikerjer on June 15, 2018, 06:18:51 pm
Been using Supremes for years on tours.  After a tour, I put them on my commuter bike. Thousands and thousands of miles and absolutely no  flats. Amazing, really.