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Title: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on November 06, 2020, 03:15:26 pm
For those whose first experiences with extended, long-term outdoors activities are their first bicycle tours, this information is useful. Foremost, the weather takes on a very different meaning to you on a long distance, camping bicycle tour. I am talking here about riding the bike across the continent of north America, east to west, or any way.

We live sheltered lives. Ruling out hurricanes, tornadoes and sudden freak storms, we are not concerned with changes in weather. When it rains our vehicles cover us. Let it rain in sheets and storm with lighting. We know our houses are sure defense against these elements. We take for granted that we are protected. There is hardly a second thought about the matter. Well, all that can change in large ways on a bike journey. You will have to take your back-home-on-the-block attitude toward weather, and leave it right there-----back home on the block.

You can be caught in extremely dangerous situations, out in the middle of nowhere. You could be camped, on the road or in some town. In towns it is easier to get out of it. It may be under the awning of an out of business restaurant, or under the overhang of a store or abandoned house, but you can get out of it. When you are cycling and camping it is a very different matter. Be sure to know local forecasts. Be prepared. You can cross the continent free of threatening changes in weather. You can also run into deadly storms several times. It is a matter of probabilities. During one tour from Florida to California, 25 minutes of rain in Slidell, Louisiana was it. The entire trip was free and clear. Another crossing was straight into the jaws of one extreme rain storm after another, and electrical storms that had me saying my prayers. It is a miracle I survived them. Know local weather forecasts. Pack a rain jacket and rain pants. Your best protection from rain while camped is an eight by ten poly tarp, preferably camo. They are only $10.00, and they will stand a driving rain long after an expensive nylon tent is saturated and hammered to the ground. There is more than one way to set up a tarp.
When you cycle a very long route you will see how the way you regard weather events changes if  you are caught out in it.


Lightning storms are the worst of your enemies. They can knock you down dead. But then again, wind speeds and directions can make large differences too, but not life threatening changes that I know of. I mean, you are cycling east in New Mexico in winter and the leading edge of a cold front comes against you at 35 mph from the side. You must stop and wait for the pressure to end. That could set you back a day or two. Occasionally, strong winds blow west to east out of California. That can go on for days morning, noon and night. There is no forward movement against that. The distance achieved is not worth the stress, energy and difficulty. As far as my experiences teach me, such powerful, long term, consistent winds are comparatively infrequent. I cycled from FL to CA five times, and from FL to El Paso, Texas twice. I ran into those kinds of winds only once.

Air temperatures are another variable you have to watch. One summer crossing of the USA I drank upwards of three gallons a day On another crossing I got chilled to the bone inside all cold weather gear camped over night in a  7 F wind chill.

Be advised, your weather conditions can and will change. Those changes can be as meek as a lamb, and they can be as ferocious as demons from hell, or any of a thousand graduations between the extremes. You can not take for granted safe protection. Leave your your old weather complacency behind. Become an avid weather watcher. Be prepared for sudden extreme interruptions to the calm.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: cyclist alan on November 06, 2020, 09:54:11 pm
Thanks For sharing this info
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on December 01, 2020, 08:31:40 pm
No problem. I got caught out in  some seriously lethal type weather. I learned to pay much more attention to weather forecasts and not to be too sure of myself. The next time the weather man says severe weather is coming, I am going to take all possible measures for safety
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: hoverbird on December 01, 2020, 09:41:09 pm
Thanks for the thoughtful words and it applies to me; a newbie planning a summer cross-country ride. Four panniers will be used, so I should have plenty of space for extreme weather gear.

Do you think my Big Agnes Copper Spur Bikepacking tent will hold up in pounding rain, or should I take a tarp as well? If a tarp is recommended, how does one use it?
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: jamawani on December 02, 2020, 12:23:08 am
Westy -

Folks cycling in the Rocky Mountain West should be aware.
The weather is nothing like Atlanta or Dallas or L.A.
Or even Philly, Chicago, or Portland.

At the highest elevations (9000+) you can get snow any time of the year.
Certainly you can get cold rain and brutal wind which can risk hypothermia.
At mid-high elevation you can get significant snows into June and as early as September.
I know, because I have skied 10 months of the year on fresh snow.

Even if the passes are open, there is no camping often until late June.
Areas with heavy snowfall take a long time to melt out - into June.
September is a little more forgiving if you are willing to wait out a few days.
Blue skies and warm weather return in a few days in September.

May is warmer than October, but pretty snowbound at high elevation.
October will be pretty darn cold up top. Teens, maybe single digits.
May and October are really risky for people not familiar with the Intermountain West.
You might be lucky, you might be miserable. You probably won't die, though.

For spring and fall riding plan on more motels - if they are open.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on December 02, 2020, 08:41:51 pm
Thanks for the thoughtful words and it applies to me; a newbie planning a summer cross-country ride. Four panniers will be used, so I should have plenty of space for extreme weather gear.

Do you think my Big Agnes Copper Spur Bikepacking tent will hold up in pounding rain, or should I take a tarp as well? If a tarp is recommended, how does one use it?

There is plenty of how to information about tarps on you tube. People have spent 5-6 months through hiking the Appalachian trail using them for shelter. It is easier for you to do that than it is for me to describe it. I have camped with tarps, probably for sure hundreds of times. Mostly in southern tier winter. They are more versatile than tents, much less expensive, and as or even more repellent of rain. I do not want to press the issue. I think there are commercial interests involved here, and conflicts of interest. You can do your research and decide for yourself.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: HobbesOnTour on December 03, 2020, 09:41:31 am
Thanks for the thoughtful words and it applies to me; a newbie planning a summer cross-country ride. Four panniers will be used, so I should have plenty of space for extreme weather gear.

Do you think my Big Agnes Copper Spur Bikepacking tent will hold up in pounding rain, or should I take a tarp as well? If a tarp is recommended, how does one use it?
Although this question is directed to someone else, I'll add my few penceworth.

Will your tent be good enough? Probably. (I don't know the specs of your tent). But the waterproofness of your tent is only one factor.
Where and how it is pitched is important. Will water be running downhill or pooling around your tent?
The fly material is very relevant - some sag in cool temps or wet weather which means water transfer from outside to inside if they touch.
Is there a gap between the ground and the fly? Angled rain can "bounce" inside.
Breaking down a wet tent is very different to when it's dry. That's an important skill too, to prevent damage that might mean a leak the next rainy night.
And lots more.

Even with the best designed tents, there is still an issue with getting in and getting out - the perfect time for water to get inside.

There is a tendency, especially when we're starting out, to buy the best gear for every situation when often we're not sure how to use what we have properly.
Remember, people have been travelling all around the world for millennia with none of our modern gear!
 
The best answer to that, I have found is to practise! One night of experience in a tent on a foul night is worth days on the internet. If you have a place at home to pitch a tent then do so on windy days, on wet days, on stormy days. Or a friend's place!

The other part is not to expect perfection. On a long trip things will go wrong, or at least not be perfect. Next day, you'll have a bit more knowledge!
In my experience, the mental equipment to deal with things is more important than the physical equipment.

On the other hand, there are few things as satisfying on some kind of a primitive level as racing to get your home built before heavy rain, climbing inside and being warm and dry :)

Keeping an eye on the weather is useful. WindyApp is a useful online weather watcher. Start using it now and get familiar with it, or whatever tool you might like to use.

And never forget that unless you're really, really far from civilisation people are around and very helpful.

So, to summarise, I'd suggest you get as familiar with your gear as much as possible, stress test it, so to speak, before trying to acquire new gear and the appropriate skills.

If you're not aware, CrazyGuyOnABike.com is a very useful site for inspiration and research. You can even search tour journals by "disaster". (Just stay away from the fora - they're toxic!)

Best of luck!
 
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: adventurepdx on December 03, 2020, 02:18:09 pm
My piece of advice: Get a small radio with the weather band, especially if you'll be touring in the western parts of the US and Canada.

While smartphones will definitely tell you the weather, that only works if it works. There are many areas in the western half of the continent where reception is poor to non-existent. (I once had to argue this point with someone from Boston who simply could not believe this fact!) And since people use smartphones for a lot of things, batteries can die. Most small radios take common AA batteries and last quite a while.

For example: When I was touring around Glacier National Park about ten years ago, we stayed for the night at Two Medicine Campground. There was no cell reception here. We were planning on biking to St. Mary the next day, but the weather radio warned us about high winds the next day, a day we'd be spending biking through many exposed ridges and the like. And since where we were camping was fairly sheltered, we might not have realized that the wind was that bad until we got out in it. We decided to wait it out an extra day in Two Medicine.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on December 04, 2020, 11:10:02 pm
In addition, among the many bicycle touring journals I read and watched, I came across several that named and pictured the tent you mention, big agnes copper spur. Everybody seemed to be perfectly satisfied with those tents. There were no concerns or problems mentioned. I have not used one. Many others have used them. They are a bit pricey, but sure to keep you dry in most any weather event. They have a good reputation.

You asked about such a tent standing against a pounding rain storm. The answer is yes it can do, and no it does not have a chance of doing. There is rain and there is RAIN. There are pounding rain storms and there are POUN!!!DING!!! RAIN STORMS!!!!!!!!!!! Compare a tent to houses in south Florida or anywhere. They stand whole for decades against rain and storms. There is no problem. But everything on earth exists as polarities. Same with the weather and rain and storms. In Lybia it was 137 degrees F. In the arctic it got to -70 degrees F. There are opposite extremes. Wind can be a barely perceptible drift. It can be a raging monster from hell that hits long standing communities and wipes them completely off the face of the earth and kills the inhabitants. Tents, like houses, are constructed to withstand weather conditions to a sort of statistical average probability, if you want to call it that.  I am not sure that is what it is, but it is the best description I have off the top of my head.  The tents, like the houses, will protect you against the weather up to a certain level. The more weather adversity increases in severity above that level, the less likely you will remain dry. You could get wet, and you could lose your tent. As for cycling across the USA, many many people have done it using tents of a quality similar to the big agnes copper spur. From my extensive readings and experience it will stand well against the weather, but it cannot stand against all weather events that could suddenly appear. Just like 120 mph houses that are built in a 240 mph hurricane belt like Florida, it is a matter of chance and probabilities. As for transcontinental bicycle touring the record says you can do it with the tent you mention. That is the most likely outcome, success, no problem. The record also says that could change to an opposite extreme, but it is not likely to happen.

We are talking here about only the tent, not about the whys and wherefores of where and how to pitch and stake and other matters. You can have the best tent out there, but if you place it in the wrong setting you are going to get flooded. There is information regarding that aspect in this thread.

If you are paying that much for a light weight tent, do not pay to add weight by adding a tarp, not a poly tarp anyway. However they do have light duty, 6 by 8 poly tarps in Target for something like $4.00. They are as light as a feather. Pick one up. The weight is not really perceptible. The same comes in 8 by 10.

That is about all I can think of right now.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 05, 2020, 09:34:39 am
A tent offers protection from bugs at night as well as the elements. Often age is a factor in he level of discomfort we can tolerate, but often means we have a few more $$ to spend on higher quality equipment. (don't mean to stereotype since there are many exceptions on both sides).

Having camped all of my life and hiked and traveled by bike and lived outdoors for months at a time, there an old adage - the more gear you carry the happier you will be when you camp, the less you carry the happier you will be when you hike or bike. Think of safety gear as a first aid kit, hopefully you never need the 4" compress or steri-strips, but the day you do they can save your life - should you carry them? Would you travel without spare tubes and hope to not get a flat?

Practice is also the best advice. Once you pick your gear set it up often. Can you pitch your tent in the dark with only a flashlight? What order do you pack your bags on a rainy day? My tent was always on the top of my pack on rainy days so everything else wasn't getting wet on the ground as I dug it out of the bottom of my bag. Once you practiced in the yard go on a several day shake down cruise. Plan, pack, repack, and plan some more.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: David W Pratt on December 09, 2020, 06:19:53 pm
There are phone Apps that show the wind, direction and speed.  I believe one is called Windy.  That might be useful on the plains, and in mountains.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on December 11, 2020, 09:52:31 pm
There are phone Apps that show the wind, direction and speed.  I believe one is called Windy.  That might be useful on the plains, and in mountains.

I got a weather band radio.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on December 17, 2020, 10:24:25 pm
I just have a weather app on my phone along with extreme weather alerts, no need for a separate radio.  I've had small lightweight backpacking radios and they didn't last long nor worked very well with poor reception if any at all, so now I just use the phone.

It also helps to study how to read the weather, I'm not very good at this yet, but in the days before the weather was on the radio, farmers, etc just read what nature was telling them...and they were always right!

this is a real basic teaching  http://www.lovetheoutdoors.com/using-nature-to-predict-weather/

little more detail   https://www.thesmartsurvivalist.com/reading-the-weather-for-survival/

https://www.superprepper.com/predicting-the-weather-using-nature/

I think if a person memorized that stuff and practiced it, they would not need a weather radio or phone app...but the weather radio or app is a lot easier!
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: adventurepdx on December 17, 2020, 10:27:28 pm
I just have a weather app on my phone along with extreme weather alerts, no need for a separate radio.  I've had small lightweight backpacking radios and they didn't last long nor worked very well with poor reception if any at all, so now I just use the phone.

There are places where cellular/data/wi-fi are non-existent, so there can be a need for a separate radio. I use both the radio and phone apps.

Out of curiosity, what radios were you using?
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on December 17, 2020, 11:14:21 pm
I tried two different small crank Midland jobs, and one solar-powered Midland radio...they were all junk, very poorly made, and of course, none of them are as small as a cell phone, so now you're dealing with bulk and weight.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: adventurepdx on December 17, 2020, 11:28:10 pm
I tried two different small crank Midland jobs, and one solar-powered Midland radio...they were all junk, very poorly made, and of course, none of them are as small as a cell phone, so now you're dealing with bulk and weight.

Well, sounds like Midland is a company to avoid!

I've used the offerings from Eton before, and they are pretty decent. My current radio is a C. Crane Skywave. It's not crank or solar, just simply powered by 2 AA batteries. It comes in at eight ounces and is pretty compact, but not cellphone compact. (I doubt you'll get great reception out of a radio the size of a phone.) The weather band is handy, and it's fun pulling in shortwave broadcasts from the other side of the world while at camp at night.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on December 18, 2020, 11:11:53 am
Eaton is junk too, I had those years ago, and one recently for home use, a crank job, they were all trashy crap.  I don't why all these weather radios have to built so crappy, it's supposed to be used for emergency use which means it should be durable and last a very long time, that's so far from the truth it's insane.

The other thing that pisses me off is that in the last 15 years or so battery companies have decided to make batteries that leak, so you have batteries stored in an emergency radio, and the crap leaks after about 2 years in storage.  I've had batteries leak just setting in storage, not in any electronic components, and the crap leaks at room temperature and some of these batteries were designed to last 10 years?  LOL!!!  Almost all alkaline batteries are now made in China which explains why they all leak now.  This leaking issue is why I now have gotten away from alkaline and have gone with rechargeables, so far those haven't leaked, but I make sure those are made in Japan.  I've even had those smoke alarms with the 10-year permanent battery LEAK!  great smoke alarm protection if the freaking batteries leak after 4 years making the alarm fail which also means the alarm won't sound a weak battery alert because the inside of the alarm is corroded, so you have no clue the alarm failed, the only way I found out was I test mine every year and it failed one of my tests.  I own rental property, I have those 10-year smoke alarms in my units, I tell the tenants to make sure they test the alarm every year, which I can only assume most if any are actually testing them.  So the only time they're probably getting tested is when a tenant moves out and I test them.  I replace those 10-year jobs in my apartments every time a tenant moves out even if the alarm is only 2 years old.  Besides, taxpayers of America help pay for all my repairs and upkeep expenses.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: canalligators on December 19, 2020, 11:03:17 pm
If you are a licensed amateur (ham) radio operator, many handheld radios also receive the nine weather frequencies.  So if you’re taking your HT anyway, you might have your weather radio too.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: LouMelini on December 21, 2020, 06:27:44 pm
Thanks for the thoughtful words and it applies to me; a newbie planning a summer cross-country ride. Four panniers will be used, so I should have plenty of space for extreme weather gear.

Do you think my Big Agnes Copper Spur Bikepacking tent will hold up in pounding rain, or should I take a tarp as well? If a tarp is recommended, how does one use it?

Hoverbird:  Julie and I have been in some nasty weather while tucked inside our Big Agnes Copper Spur. We bike tour with a 3-person tent and it has worked for us. Make sure that you get the fly taut. No sagging. Hobbesontour especially and the rest of the responders gave good advice
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 21, 2020, 07:00:16 pm
I have a Copper Spur HV-UL 3-person and camped in the White Mountains in a huge storm with no issues. It was a big tent for 1 person but I wanted to take it on a test run and my daughter was carrying my Big Agnes Seedhouse SL-2, which I carried on my AT thru-hike. No need to carry an extra tarp unless you want to cover your bikes or eating area, the tent fly works great.

The first night in the rain is never an issue, it is the second night if you have packed a wet tent. Of course, if you also had a tarp, that would be wet as well.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on December 21, 2020, 07:24:18 pm
I have a cheaper tent than your Big Agnes Copper tent called a Marmot Tungsten 2, which cost me only $145 on closeout sale, but regularly it was $220 or so, so about half the price of yours, and mine held up fantastic during a driving rain thunderstorm with high winds and didn't use a tarp, so if mine held up yours would be just fine.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on February 18, 2021, 07:29:50 am
The fact this polar vortex has covered almost 75% of the contiguous US in snow and ice points up how suddenly and extremely the weather can change for the worse. Millions in Texas are now without power and running water.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on February 18, 2021, 03:55:25 pm
The fact this polar vortex has covered almost 75% of the contiguous US in snow and ice points up how suddenly and extremely the weather can change for the worse. Millions in Texas are now without power and running water.

The Ice Age cometh.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on February 20, 2021, 03:17:03 am
Thanks for the thoughtful words and it applies to me; a newbie planning a summer cross-country ride. Four panniers will be used, so I should have plenty of space for extreme weather gear.

Do you think my Big Agnes Copper Spur Bikepacking tent will hold up in pounding rain, or should I take a tarp as well? If a tarp is recommended, how does one use it?

As I pointed out, weather can change quickly and radically. Suppose you were cycling the southern tier in Texas and not paying much heed to the weather. After all, you have been on the road for five weeks and everything has been just fine. Then out of nowhere the polar vortex sends this debacle from hell crashing down on you while you are sleeping peacefully in a big Agnes copper spur tent. Houses and building collapse through their roofs, millions lose electrical power, water pipes burst, houses flood, store shelves bereft of food. What would your condition be in all this? I would not even want to think about it. And all this is why there in not any one definitive unequivocal answer to your question about the efficacy of the BACS tent protecting you from the weather. I have done the southern tier quite a few times in winter. I did not run into the kind of disastrous weather events they are suffering now in Texas and elsewhere.  Your tent will protect you to a certain average or statistical probability of what you might encounter, but what else you might run into could be far worse than your shelter can stand.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: canalligators on February 20, 2021, 12:19:48 pm
Some handheld walkie-talkie type radios also receive the NOAA weather channels.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on February 21, 2021, 08:11:12 pm
It wasn't that long ago, just 50 or more years ago, that people could forecast the weather simply by being outside, that art has been lost due to modern technology taking over that job, but it's still known and if memorized could be very useful when outdoors, and dare I say probably more accurate for your particular area than the weather report!  combining the high tech weather with the old school method you would probably never be caught unaware.

Below is a website that I think is the most knowledgeable in this old school method, memorize this stuff and practice it and I think you would be surprised as to how good you could become at predicting the weather that day to 2 days out.

https://www.superprepper.com/predicting-the-weather-using-nature/
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: HobbesOnTour on February 21, 2021, 08:35:11 pm
Does nobody talk to people on their travels anymore?

Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Pat Lamb on February 22, 2021, 09:01:25 am
Does nobody talk to people on their travels anymore?

No, only people far away on internet forums.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on March 01, 2021, 10:45:20 am
It wasn't that long ago, just 50 or more years ago, that people could forecast the weather simply by being outside, that art has been lost due to modern technology taking over that job, but it's still known and if memorized could be very useful when outdoors, and dare I say probably more accurate for your particular area than the weather report!  combining the high tech weather with the old school method you would probably never be caught unaware.

Below is a website that I think is the most knowledgeable in this old school method, memorize this stuff and practice it and I think you would be surprised as to how good you could become at predicting the weather that day to 2 days out.

https://www.superprepper.com/predicting-the-weather-using-nature/


The art and skill of predicting the weather are lost to the wider world, but they are still alive and kicking with a select group of people, specifically, people who cross oceans in small sailboats. Some books for mariners explain how it is done mostly by cloud formations and winds.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: CannonBill on March 06, 2021, 10:47:54 pm
I’m starting a criss-cross tour from SoCal to the Northeast in 3 weeks. I’m planning to be in hotels when I can see the weather patterns becoming an issue, but am also taking what just happened in Texas as the worst this winter is going to bring our way. Statistically I should be right, but if not, it will simply be dealt with like every thing else on a tour. How many of us remember the perfect days out there anyway? It’s always the brutal days that stand out in our minds. (and as horror story badges of honor. Lol) All part of the adventure I’d say...
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on March 06, 2021, 11:13:37 pm
IHow many of us remember the perfect days out there anyway? It’s always the brutal days that stand out in our minds. (and as horror story badges of honor. Lol) All part of the adventure I’d say...

I love the pictures that Adventure Cycling uses in their tour catalog, all the pictures are of sunny skies with broad smiles on the riders...where are the pictures of stormy days with frowns on the riders as they pedal their way through the mess?  Oh, that's right, pictures like that wouldn't sell as many trips.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on April 13, 2021, 06:50:30 am
IHow many of us remember the perfect days out there anyway? It’s always the brutal days that stand out in our minds. (and as horror story badges of honor. Lol) All part of the adventure I’d say...

I love the pictures that Adventure Cycling uses in their tour catalog, all the pictures are of sunny skies with broad smiles on the riders...where are the pictures of stormy days with frowns on the riders as they pedal their way through the mess?  Oh, that's right, pictures like that wouldn't sell as many trips.


Actually, it is quite possible to bicycle across the USA transcontinentally with great weather all the way. 25 minutes of rain in Slidell, LA was it on one crossing. The rest was free and clear. The thing is sudden, extreme, calamitous changes do happen. I was caught out in storms. I mean, all is calm and clear all day. Then, inside an hour, rain is rocketing parallel to the ground at sixty mph, the sky is a swirling black mass, traffic must halt on interstate highways, large tractor-trailers are pushed over on their sides, and a hideous stroboscopic lightning storm is slamming thousands of strikes to earth all around you for hours. I would say just about any tent made for lightweight bicycle touring would be useless in that level disturbance. That is what is meant by POUN!!!!!DING!!!!!!! Rain Storm.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on April 13, 2021, 10:38:05 pm
I struggled over getting a lightweight tent to reduce load carrying weight and one that was a bit heavier that "supposedly" can take a beating, so I got a 3 season tent, so far I haven't been able to test it pounding rain, just normal rain with no leaks.  I ended up with a Marmot Tungsten 2 person because of a year end sale, and because a reviewer claimed he camped out in snow with it just to see how it would do, and during the night it got windy with blowing snow but the tent was fine.  Some reviews you have to be careful because they could be faked, I'm not sure if it could handle blowing snow, but the fabric seems a bit more denser than other lightweight tents I saw which probably why it weighs more than ultralight tents.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: EmilyG on April 14, 2021, 01:41:32 am
We have a Big Agnes Fly Creek 3 person tent (for 2 people). Worked great on our W-E Northern tier route.    I remember well one night in Fort Benton, MT, where the wind blew so strong that the tent pretty much squashed sideways many times. It was completely unharmed afterward.  Weathered many rain storms and wind storms.  The mosquitoes loved to hang out between the tent and fly, waiting for us to come out.....   

And thanks for the reminders about weather.  It pays to watch the weather reports, and believe them.  No matter what the current weather outside may be.  We are vulnerable out there.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Martine Stoker on April 15, 2021, 02:02:36 am
Thank you so much for sharing this valuable information and I definitely apply those tips on me.

I learn many new thing from your article as beginner.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: Westinghouse on January 05, 2022, 02:36:08 am
Not long after the first posting of this subject, a storm they said was unprecedented covered 75% of the contiguous US, cut power from millions in Texas, stoved in roofs, froze water pipes and caused catastrophe.  The storms of these past few weeks are called unprecedented. I got caught outside in weather similar to that. In weather events I survived, No light weight tent could have stayed up. There is not any tent or tarp that can protect you.  Keep a close frequent watch on forecasts.
Title: Re: Advice for Newbies about the Weather.
Post by: froze on January 05, 2022, 12:40:00 pm
Keeping an eye on forecasts at least every 4 hours while you're up of course can be a lifesaver.  There is another thing you can do to, there are websites on how to tell the weather without any outside aid just observations like they use to in the old days, now a lost art but still very accurate for forecasting in 12 hours, a lot memorizing and practicing the stuff to get accurate with it.