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Title: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: avman1023 on September 14, 2021, 02:53:05 pm
In your opinion, what's the best water bottle? Are there any water bottles out there that keep water cold for more than an hour? That don't leak?
I've been using Polar Bottles for a long time. In the morning I load them full of ice and fill with water. Within an hour of riding in 70-80 degree weather the water inside is air temp. And no matter how tightly I screw the cap they always leak. So spare filled water bottles in my panniers have to be sealed inside ziploc bags.
I can deal with all that, but it seems like there should be better water bottles out there?
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: John Nelson on September 14, 2021, 03:34:21 pm
I gave up a long time ago on trying to find a water bottle that keeps the water cold for long. Insulated bottles can slow it down a bit, but not enough to make me accept the compromise that it's harder to get the water out quickly on the go. Any bottle that is exposed to continuous air flow in your cages tends to quickly get the contents up to the surrounding temperature. Water will stay colder inside your panniers, but then of course it is not readily accessible.

Keeping a water bottle from leaking depends on the quality of the bottle and lid. Even so, they eventually leak around the spout. The only solution I see is to replace the bottle when they get old. I look for bottles and caps that are made out of supple plastic, avoiding the harder plastics. I never buy bottles. I get more than enough of them free at various events.

Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: jamawani on September 14, 2021, 10:26:01 pm
Depends on where you tour ...

If you are touring in a dry region -
The American West, Australia, Central Asia, etc.
Then a wet sock is far, far superior to insulated bottles.
Plus, the bottle holds more water and it's way cheaper.

The method was shown to me by a young woman back in September of 1987.
She was just finishing a tour in Oregon and I was just starting.
Some of the best advice I have ever received.

Just a plain ole plastic water bottle.
I use a crew sock - I cut off the foot portion. The key is keeping the sock wet.
I carefully squirt out water before the sock dries out completely.
It does use up some water - you need to keep the sock wet.

It's the same principle as evaporative coolers that keep office buildings cool.
Water evaporating from a surface cools that surface.
With a breeze from riding, the cooling is faster.
In places like Nevada, I have had 50F water on a 100F day.

As for leaking - don't recall any issue with newer bottles.
And if a little water leaks, if just keeps the sock wet anyhoo..
Now, once a plastic bottle has been out in the sun for a few years - then no.
Surely you can spring for a few basic water bottles every few years.

BTW - Back in the olden days, people driving out West
always had a canvas water bag strapped to the front grill.


Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: staehpj1 on September 15, 2021, 07:11:36 am
I insist on a bottle I can squeeze and drink from while riding.  None of the insulated bottles I tried worked out well.  Filling them with ice when you can is nice and I do that, but it doesn't last long when it is really hot.

In the Sierras I found it worth carrying a 2 ounce filter to filter ice cold snow melt mountain streams for a cold dring once in a while, but many places I have toured either there is no surcface water or it isn't cold.  The sock trick works okay, but I usually don't bother.

Bottom line, I buy regular plastic bike water bottles.  I typically buy the house brand ones from Performance when they are on sale.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Pat Lamb on September 15, 2021, 08:59:20 am
I'm an unabashed Polar fan.

My experience is that if I load the bottle with ice, then top it with water, the ice will last 60-90 minutes on a 90 degree day.  By the end of two hours, water temperature is approaching ambient.  Also at the end of two hours, I'm ready for a short break which is a good time to reload my two water bottles.  FWIW, my hand strength is enough to squeeze water out of them.

If there's no water refill source within a couple hours' ride, I've used collapsible water bladders in my panniers or a hydration pack on my back.

Camelback insulated bottles have a different closure, though again I don't normally pack full water bottles in a pannier.

Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: staehpj1 on September 15, 2021, 09:09:54 am
If there's no water refill source within a couple hours' ride, I've used collapsible water bladders in my panniers or a hydration pack on my back.
My companions on the TA did that (bladder loaded with ice in pannier with hose and bite valve to drink from).  They seemed to have all day cold water and it worked well for them.  The routed it up to the bar and bent a bit from the waist to drink.  I recall that they had one complaint.  They had no idea how much water was left and would run out at an unexpected time.  Okay if you have backup bottles, but be sure not to run out altogether.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: HikeBikeCook on September 15, 2021, 09:46:48 am
I rode and hiked with Camelbaks for many years and own a bunch of them. I still use the bladders for hiking, inside my pack with hydration sleeve, but wearing them biking really bothers my shoulders and arms. The biggest problem is that you cannot tell how much is left and you do not want to add drink mixes in them. Also, getting them in and out of a loaded pack is a PIA.

I did buy one one year in an insulated sleeve with no shoulder straps because no plain bladder was available. I have to weight it, but my thoughts were to carry than on the TA tour next year instead of a Platypus roll up bottle, for extra water on the long hauls or camping in areas without potable water.

The Platypus roll up bottles are pretty fragile and puncture and leak more that a Camelbak. I think the 3 water bottle setup provides the most versatility - one with a sport drink and 2 with plain water. I could see two water bottles and the insulated Camelbak in the panniers or on the handlebars. Three liters of water weighs 6.5 pounds, and while it is necessary for life, carry too much can kill your ride. :) 
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Pat Lamb on September 15, 2021, 02:33:07 pm
I didn't have any problems with the Platypus leaking.  Of course, it only came out of the pannier to be refilled or to fill up the water bottles.  Stuffed in the middle of a sleeping bag, it kept the water cool, too!
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: John Nelson on September 15, 2021, 03:06:35 pm
I didn't have any problems with the Platypus leaking.  Of course, it only came out of the pannier to be refilled or to fill up the water bottles.  Stuffed in the middle of a sleeping bag, it kept the water cool, too!
I also have had no problem with a Platypus, and I've used them a lot. I did, however, leave one out once on top of the food box at Kirk Creek (Big Sur) and a bunch of raccoons punctured it with their claws in the process of moving it out of the way to get into the food box. I hate raccoons.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: HikeBikeCook on September 15, 2021, 04:32:38 pm
My leaks were all backpacking. Having just filled one Platypus at a steam it fell over into the sand and sprung a pin sized leak that shot water a foot into the air. Same experience when one fell over on a wooden picnic table. Now, I am careful and lay them gently on their sides. Three liters of water leaked in the wrong Ortlieb would make quite a mess.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: avman1023 on September 18, 2021, 09:35:24 pm
Thanks for the input! It sounds like what I want doesn't exist. Ambient air temp water for me!
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: canalligators on September 22, 2021, 01:00:25 am
I like the Polar bottles too.  They insulate fairly well, without a big volume reduction, and are reasonably priced.  I’m not terribly worried about covering the spout.  I wish they made larger ones, say a liter or more, for backup supply.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: jrswenberger on September 22, 2021, 07:49:33 pm
I'm a huge fan of the Specialized Purist waterbottles, regardless of who is selling it. They add much less of the plasticy taste to the water, I've not had any issues with growth on the inside and they have all been leak-proof (as long as the cap is screwed on completely).  They may cost a bit more but they last longer as well.

Jay
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: zzzz on September 22, 2021, 09:59:21 pm
I normally just take 2 generic water bottles on tour and if there are long distances between stops i keep 2 of the Platypus water bags mentioned earlier.

But there’s something I did last time I took a route that I was likely to hit very hot weather and long days that might be of interest to you. I am normally quite the weight-weenie but on  that trip I packed 2 stainless steel 32oz thermoses. The brand I bought was Hydro Flask but they are probably  all the same. These things are pretty amazing, load them up w ice and set off across the desert and they still got ice in them at the end of the day. And you can’t break them and mine never leaked. I  still have my regular tepid water bottles in the bottle cages, breaking out the thermoses later in the heat of the day when the ice water really hits the spot.

I just weighed mine, 14 ozs a piece. I can’t tell you how I agonized over carrying 2 extra pounds! But there were many times on that trip where they earned their keep.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: staehpj1 on September 23, 2021, 07:10:36 am
I normally just take 2 generic water bottles on tour and if there are long distances between stops i keep 2 of the Platypus water bags mentioned earlier.

But there’s something I did last time I took a route that I was likely to hit very hot weather and long days that might be of interest to you. I am normally quite the weight-weenie but on  that trip I packed 2 stainless steel 32oz thermoses. The brand I bought was Hydro Flask but they are probably  all the same. These things are pretty amazing, load them up w ice and set off across the desert and they still got ice in them at the end of the day. And you can’t break them and mine never leaked. I  still have my regular tepid water bottles in the bottle cages, breaking out the thermoses later in the heat of the day when the ice water really hits the spot.

I just weighed mine, 14 ozs a piece. I can’t tell you how I agonized over carrying 2 extra pounds! But there were many times on that trip where they earned their keep.
I can relate.  I count ounces and pack crazy light, but can understand that there are times and places where a cold drink is worth almost anything.  I can remember times I would have given $50 for a bottle of cold water. rather than drink from my warm/hot bottles.  I have a Camelbak brand 40 oz thermos that weighs 18.8 ounces.  I have never carried it on tour, but I can see where someone might in the desert southwest.

Cold water can be such a treat that I vividly remember times LONG ago when someone stopped their car (or motorcycle) on a scorching hot day to give us an ice cold bottle of water. from their cooler.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: canalligators on September 30, 2021, 10:19:31 pm
In my experience, dark colored plastic water bottles get a lot hotter in the sun.  I don't thing it's air flow around the bottles, even hot air, so much as it being a little solar collector.  Something about dark masses absorbing more solar energy, you know those pesky laws of thermodynamics...
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: David W Pratt on October 15, 2021, 08:02:49 pm
I wouldn't say they are the "Best" if such a thing even exists, but I really like the nozzle/mouthpiece on my bottle made by Camel back (I think).  It turns about 90° to turn off and on, but even in the on position, it doesn't leak, yet gushes when squeezed or sucked on.  Some bottles have such restricted nozzles it is hard to get a good swallow out of them.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: HikeBikeCook on October 16, 2021, 05:54:32 am
Two additional observations on water bottles:

When back or bike packing for more than a week or 10 days I carry a small bottle of bleach and add a drop or two to my water bottles and let them stand for a few hours once a week to clean them out. I have had some of the newer "softer" water bottles develop a dark stain inside and use a bit extra bleach when that happens.

When I drink water while riding I try to stop for a minute and drink from the open top, not from the squirters - you get more water, it is more satisfying, you get less air, it gets you off the saddle for a few minutes. Doesn't work as well group riding but with my wife and I riding together we remind the other one to drink. Your urine should be running clear or you are not drinking enough. Many riders ride dehydrated.

Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: canalligators on October 16, 2021, 08:21:12 pm
A fellow rider once warned me about GI distress.  He claimed it was common on group rides, people just rinse their bottles and refill the next morning.  He had just bought a small bottle of bleach for his party to share. 

I took his warning to heart.  When I/we travel, I am the chief cook and bottle washer; I take a small bottle of dish soap along, and diligently wash the bottles every night with soap and hot water.  The only time I wasn't careful, on a solo tour, I started to have issues, realized it was happening and corrected.  Problem went away.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Westinghouse on October 25, 2021, 05:29:23 am
I used a $1.00 plastic bottle from dollar tree, and a clear plastic smart-water bottle for 54 days from Florida to California. No leaks. There was no keeping water cold with these things, but it was winter, so temperatures took care of themselves. I remember the old thermos bottles. Those kept cold drinks cold. I have not taken the luxury of an insulated bottle. I remember draining bottles countless times on a summer crossing from FL to CA. I absorbed 2 and 1/2 to nearly 3 gallons of liquid daily. And with that I did not urinate even once in four days. It was going through me and out the skin, not the kidneys. I drank 47 ounce fountain drinks 5 and 6 times a day. I drained my bottles. I drank extra in restaurants. I would drink a 47 ounce beverage, go to sleep under the stars, and wake up dehydrated. It must have been 120 F out there on the open road with a drought, high temperatures, and not a breath of air in any direction. I did not ever use a water bottle made to insulate, only for carrying capacity and size.   
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: j1of1 on December 02, 2021, 07:50:25 pm
I discovered Bivo waterbottles, bought three, and love them (especially the way the water pours into my mouth!).  Take a look:  https://drinkbivo.com/
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: bradfordkendric53 on January 31, 2022, 10:30:13 pm
In your opinion, what's the best water bottle? Are there any water bottles out there that keep water cold for more than an hour? That don't leak?
I've been using Polar Bottles for a long time. In the morning I load them full of ice and fill with water. Within an hour of riding in 70-80 degree weather the water inside is air temp. And no matter how tightly I screw the cap they always leak. So spare filled water bottles in my panniers have to be sealed inside ziploc bags.
I can deal with all that, but it seems like there should be better water bottles out there?
Hmmm


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Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: froze on February 05, 2022, 04:59:58 pm
If you're touring or bike camping a plastic insulate bottle is only good for about 2 to 3 hours if the liquid inside is frozen solid, so after about a 5 to 6 hour ride you will have water so hot you could make coffee with it!  Not something you want to drink...well, the coffee is but not hot water by itself.

So the only real option you have is going with stainless steel insulated bottles. 

Only a few stainless-steel bottles will fit bicycle cages, but if you use the Arundel adjustable cage you can put all sorts of sizes in that holder and carry more water than you could with a standard cage and standard bottle.  I went down to Target and bought 4 Camelback 32 ounce stainless insulated bottles, and one 16 ounce for the underside of the downtube.  Now I have cold water when I get to camp after riding all day in the sun. 

I haven't checked the weight on those bottles and compared it to other, but I wasn't concerned about the weight, I think most will be right around the same weight anyways, but if your finicky about the weight you might be able to find lighter bottles than the ones I got.  I went for how many hours cold drinks will stay cold.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Pat Lamb on February 07, 2022, 09:29:36 am
If I haven't finished drinking a couple water bottles in 2-3 hours, I haven't been drinking enough in the summer.  Since I usually have to resupply every couple hours anyway, an insulated bottle that keeps its contents cool for that long has done its job.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: froze on February 07, 2022, 08:14:45 pm
Right, except I carry 5 bottles, plus extra plastic store bought ones in my panniers, why? because some of us that camp go places where there is no water, and hot water after several hours of riding is not something I want to drink.  But I agree if you're only carrying 2 bottles and not going that far, and going to places that have plenty of water, then yes, all you need is a plastic insulated bottle.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: canalligators on February 08, 2022, 11:26:11 am
If you're touring or bike camping a plastic insulate bottle is only good for about 2 to 3 hours ...

That is correct, but keeping an uninsulated bottle inside a bag helps a lot.  And plastic insulated bottles are better than no insulation at all.  I plan to consume bike-mounted bottles first, then refill from my plastic insulated 2+L bottle, then refill from my stainless insulated 2L bottle.  If the plastic is too hot to drink by the time I need it, I will go right to the stainless.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: HikeBikeCook on February 08, 2022, 12:27:34 pm
I have collected a bunch of insulated food bags from home delivery during COVID that weigh next to nothing and are waterproof. I plan to carry one of those to stick produce and water bottles in. When a water bottle in your pannier sweats it will make everything around it wet.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: froze on March 25, 2022, 11:49:26 pm
I like insulated Elite NanoGelite but it only holds 16 ounces, but it does keep drinks colder longer than any other bottle. 

A bigger bottle that holds 23 ounces is the Camelbak Podium Chill.

I know that there are some people that are simply too weak to squeeze a plastic bottle, none of the bottles I listed are that difficult to squeeze, I'm 68 years old, and if I can squeeze those bottles then so can you.

I like insulated bottles; they keep your drinks cold for much longer time period than uninsulated can.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Ty0604 on March 28, 2022, 02:54:36 pm
I have a Camelbak insulated bottle that keeps liquids cold long enough for me to drink it.

I’m also a big fan of bottles that the bottom screws off of to allow for easy cleaning. It’s nice for coffee etc. There are several different brands but I go with Clean Bottles. https://www.cleanbottle.com/
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: canalligators on March 28, 2022, 04:27:33 pm
The Clean Bottles idea is sound, ease of cleaning is always good.  But I found you had to be very careful about tightening both ends.  Just a little too loose or too tight would leak. My son thought so too.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: Ty0604 on March 28, 2022, 04:47:18 pm
The Clean Bottles idea is sound, ease of cleaning is always good.  But I found you had to be very careful about tightening both ends.  Just a little too loose or too tight would leak. My son thought so too.

Sorry you experienced that with your Clean Bottles. Haven’t had any leakage from the 3 that I own.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: dvdwmth on April 08, 2022, 10:16:49 am
I've started using stainless insulated bottles. Aside from working great, they look dashing on an old school touring bike.

You can go to a value village or some other reused store and there are usually many many water bottles. Should be able to buy them cheap to experiment.
Title: Re: Best Water Bottle?
Post by: froze on April 08, 2022, 12:25:48 pm
I've started using stainless insulated bottles. Aside from working great, they look dashing on an old school touring bike.

You can go to a value village or some other reused store and there are usually many many water bottles. Should be able to buy them cheap to experiment.

I only use stainless insulated bottles on my touring bike, I hate hot water when I get to my destination!  However, on my regular road bikes I use insulated plastic bottles instead, because they are lighter obviously, and I'm not on the bike as long as I am when touring or camping, but I still don't want hot water in a 1/2 an hour while riding that the uninsulated plastic water bottles will do, and the insulated plastic bottles will last at least 2 hours before they get too warm.

If you are going to buy a stainless insulated bottle from a store, do what I did, I took a cage with me and tried to find one that would fit!  However, once I figured out I needed larger bottles to carry more water, I bought Arundel Looney Bin adjustable cages, but I still needed to take that cage to make sure I wouldn't get too big of a bottle.