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Title: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 04, 2021, 08:03:07 am
We have put together a group of riders to ride a modified TransAm route using the Eastern Express and actually ending in Seattle. The original TransAm starts and ends in estuaries, as does the Eastern Express with our ending in Seattle. Some riders want to start and end at the ocean to make it a real "Coast-to-Coast" ride. I have always viewed it as a cross-country ride, but looked up the meaning of coast-to-coast this morning:

Definition of coast-to-coast
1: extending or airing across an entire nation or continent

So, according to Merriam Webster the ocean really has nothing to do with it. Unlike hiking the Appalachian Trail, which is a strictly defined route, riding Trans American, cross-country, etc. are loosely define objectives. What is the general feeling about riding across America - dip a tire in an ocean start and finish or start and finish at the land's end, be it estuary or ocean?
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: staehpj1 on December 04, 2021, 08:17:18 am
Your ride, your definition.  Require ocean to ocean with actual tire dip if that suits you.  Just ride from a state on one coast to a state on the other if that suits you.  Do something in between if that is okay by your standards.  Oh and count the Gulf of Mexico as the east coast if you want, I count my ST that ended on the Gulf as coast to coast, sort of.  I might not really consider myself as having really ridden coast  to coast if that were my only coast to coast ride.

FWIW, I consider myself as having driven coast to coast in my car without really having gotten very close at all to the coast on either end.  Not sure why I am inclined to be more generous with the driving trip.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 04, 2021, 10:33:52 am
I agree with Pete.  Your ride, your definition. 

And while an ocean doesn't really technically matter to its definition, the question is where does the nation end, i.e. at the water's edge (high or low tide), the 12?? mile exclusive fishing territory, or ??? ?  Do we have to get to Attu Station, AK or would Tanana, AK, work since it is the furthest west contiguous road in the USA?  Or do we have to start in Puerto Rico and end in Guam. 

I personally like dipping the wheels though I am relaxed as to whether it is high tide or low tide  ;) .  However, I am lazy so only dip if it is easy, i.e. finding a paved boat ramp so I don't have to wade through sand.  If that is not readily available, being on the road close to the ocean is good enough for me as I firmly believe if you get to just the road near the ocean, that is fine, i.e., no dipping required.  I',m just anal about the "entire" way. 

I also don't think you need to go to the furthest point to satisfy the cross country aspect, within reason.  For instance, both the Southern Tier and the TransAm are both cross country trips.  However, looking at a map, the TA was a greater latitude length than the ST but, to me, riding from Fort Lauderdale to Fort Myers, Florida, does not qualify as cross country though I guess technically it does.

I start to question if it is a full cross country ride the further you get away from the coast.  For instance, I personally would not count Washington, DC to Seattle a true FULL cross country trip but just a cross country trip.  Yeah, the definition sucks but it is sort of the same lines as what is a self-contained tour (let's not go there on this thread).

If I were joining you, I would start early and head out of Norfolk/Virginia Beach on the upcoming DELMARVA Route and head out to Chincoteague Island (want to see the horses) in Delaware before taking the ferry over to Ewell/Tangier Island to the Tidewater Potomac to DC to start the Eastern Express.  I would end in the San Juan Islands (probably Victoria, BC, as I love Butchart Gardens).  BUT THAT IS ME!!!  You do what you want since you are the one riding.

Also, does riding from Mexico (or the Gulf of Mexico) to Canada count as a cross country trip?  To me it does, primarily because I have done it 3 times  ;) . 

There are all kinds of ways to look at this.  My best guess is land border to land border or within 10 miles of such.  That said, I still think Pete's answer is the best overall.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 04, 2021, 10:46:33 am
Do it any Way you want. Dipping wheels is Nothing.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: jamawani on December 04, 2021, 11:01:16 am
As staehpj1 says, do whatever works for you. There are no hard and fast rules.

I tend towards ocean waves to ocean waves.
(And I regret to inform you that I've ridden coast-to-coast way too many times.)
I like to have a sunset over the Pacific and a sunrise over the Atlantic.
For me, it gives me a framing to start the trip and closure at the end.
So many people talk about the last couple of days ot the trip.
Yes, we're often tired, but sad that it is coming to an end

(BTW - I'm not a big fan of the Eastern Express.)

On the Washington, DC end you are on the Potomac River.
It's not even that wide near the Tidal Basin.
You can take the tour boat to Mount Vernon and ride back to DC on the trail.
The Potomac is much wider at Mount Vernon, plus the boat trip links you to the water.

On the Seattle end, you are on Puget Sound.
That's a much bigger water body with lots of water options.
The simplest is to do a round-trip on the Bremerton ferry.
On clear days you can see the Olympic Mtns and Mt Rainier.

Eastern End -

Getting to the ocean from DC isn't easy.
The Chesapeake Bay Bridge doesn't allow bicycles.
There is no public transport and the private shuttle is expensive.
Plus, the various route options have heavy traffic.

An alternative is Point Lookout State Park on Chesapeake Bay.
The passenger boat connections via Smith Island are iffy.
And Covid may have put them permanently out of business.
But if your group is willing to pay - it's a great way across the Bay.

Western End -

A semi-ocean option is to take the cruise boat to the San Juan Islands from Seattle.
Or you can ride from the Palouse Trail to Anacortes then take the ferry.
The easiest ocean point from Seattle is out to Aberdeen and Westport
Again, take the Bremerton ferry and back roads to Monsanto and the coast.

A more challenging, but spectacular endpoint is Neah Bay.
This would involve taking the Bainbridge ferry and a bit of tricky riding.
Continue via the Olympic Discovery Trail and Port Angeles to Neah Bay.
Both the Westport and Neah Bay options have bus connections back to Seattle.

Starting on the Atlantic and ending on the Pacific would require a chunk of effort.
Plus, about 3 days additional time each - or a week for both.
Then there's the additional cost - esp. boat/ferry fares and bus connections.
But if you are willing to do the extra work, it is well worth it.


Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: staehpj1 on December 04, 2021, 11:26:06 am
However, looking at a map, the TA was a greater latitude length than the ST but, to me, riding from Fort Lauderdale to Fort Myers, Florida, does not qualify as cross country though I guess technically it does.
You are kidding on that one, right?  It doesn't even come close to counting as riding across the state in my mind.  I semi seriously stretch to the call the Pacific to the Gulf as being a pathetic sort of a coast to coast.  I guess the Atlantic and Gulf are two coasts too though.  But seriously...

BTW, some of what has been said is mixing cross country and coast to coast.  North to South or vice versa could certainly be the former, but not the latter for the US.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 04, 2021, 12:08:55 pm
However, looking at a map, the TA was a greater latitude length than the ST but, to me, riding from Fort Lauderdale to Fort Myers, Florida, does not qualify as cross country though I guess technically it does.
You are kidding on that one, right?  It doesn't even come close to counting as riding across the state in my mind.  I semi seriously stretch to the call the Pacific to the Gulf as being a pathetic sort of a coast to coast.  I guess the Atlantic and Gulf are two coasts too though.  But seriously...

BTW, some of what has been said is mixing cross country and coast to coast.  North to South or vice versa could certainly be the former, but not the latter for the US.
Semi-joking as I met one guy, in Florida, proudly stating he was riding "coast to coast".  He was serious in his enthusiasm.  I just congratulated him on being out there riding.  As I said above, I do not believe that would be "coast to coast" but must also agree that it meets, with a lot of stretching the intention, the technical definition of crossing coast to coast since you are crossing from the Atlantic to the Gulf of Mexico. I also agree that San Diego to say Corpus Christi does not meet the spirit of the phrase but does meet the technical definition.

I further agree that I unintentionally digressed into "cross county" vs "ocean to ocean" due to Merriam's definition.  Sorry.   

Going back to Hike's question, even an estuary to estuary ride would work for me assuming I was close to the end/opening of the estuary.  For instance, his original route (DC to Seattle) is fine as a "coast to coast" as an ocean going ship can get to both points.  But if I had more time, I would try to make it a full coast to coast.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 04, 2021, 12:48:27 pm
Yeah, I have been thinking hard about this one. As an AT thru-hiker I passed every single blaze in a south to north direction in a single season - no short cuts, yellow blazing, blue blazing, etc. When I got to a campsite I always walked past to the farthest northbound entrance to the campsite so I did not accidently skip 100 feet in the morning haze.

This trip is a bit different since the original Trans America ride (and current) are coast-to-coast rides but not ocean-to-ocean rides, so there is no precedent to dip your wheel in the ocean steeming from the original route. I think most people probably wheel dip in the closest salt water they can find if they even bother. Will I have ridden cross-country without dipping a wheel? I think the answer is truly yes. What will I miss not going to the ocean? I have been a "coaster" most of my life (2 years in Texas aside) and lived in the congestion, the traffic, the narrow minded politics, and everything else that goes with an overpopulated area. For me, this trip means getting into the heartland and looking for the America that has died out along the coast. Maybe find a town or two where people don't lock their doors when they leave the house (or even when there are in the house)

I grew up in very rural small town Connecticut and when we went on vacation  (usually in the winter - another story) the house was never locked. The mailman checked to make sure the furnace was running and left our mail on the kitchen table. The day of or day before our return the milkman put 8 quarts of farm fresh raw milk in the fridge. We did not have a lot of money so we shoveled our driveway - but the local plow guy knew we were away and our driveway was plowed the day we returned - no charge - just what neighbors did for each other. - Maybe that is still out there somewhere in America, but if it is it is probably not in the extra 2 or 3 days I will spend riding out to the ocean shoreline - at least not in the east.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 04, 2021, 01:04:27 pm
I am seriously considering another trans continental bicycle ride beginning sometime in January. It will be across the southern tier of states. They say so far this winter has been unprecedentedly warm. That maybe so but I will prepare for unprecedented cold just the same. I will have to go more than 300 miles north just to begin going west from the East Coast of Florida. I will not dip my wheel anywhere in the east. If I make it to California I will Not dip my wheel anywhere there. If I do I will get down to the wharf in San Diego and that is far enough near the gaslight district. That is a full transcontinental bicycling ride. Dip or no dip.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: jamawani on December 04, 2021, 01:54:53 pm
HBC -

Here in small-town Wyoming you still leave your house unlocked and the car keys in the ashtray.
And you can come home and find a sack of fresh tomatoes on your kitchen counter.

About ten years ago, I had a grad student summer intern at the clinic stay at my house while I rode X-USA.
Her boyfriend, 300 miles away at the university, had their only car.
So I told her, "Why not just use my truck while I'm gone?"

Whenever I'd call friends in town, they'd ask, "Who's that driving your truck?"
Such is small-town life. But then again, they know all your secrets, too.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: jamawani on December 04, 2021, 02:16:24 pm
PS -

About the coasts and all that development.
25 years ago the Delmarva peninsula used to be a backwater except for a few beach towns.
And even those were deserted after Labor Day.
Now, there is massive development with condos and golf courses, etc., etc.
And much of the inland areas are devoted to massive chicken farms - -
so that folks in Philly and Boston can have their McNuggets.

But there are still one or two places that preserve the slower pace.
One of those is Pocomoke City - not close enough to the water.
Except for the Pocomoke River - which is a sublime tidewater river.
A biracial town reflecting the biracial history of the peninsula since colonial days.

You can camp on the river at Pocomoke River S.P. 
Milburn Landing on the west side is better for cyclists.
And you can rent kayaks and get out on the river - either at the park or in town.

(Regrettably, the new Delmarva route does not go via Pocomoke City or the Pocomoke River.)

Similarly, on the west coast there are places between Seattle/Portland and the coast.
Many of these smaller towns have been hard hit be the near-complete shutdown of logging.
The logging is gone, the mills are closed, and the towns are hard-edged and hurting.
Grandparents made more in the 1970s than their grandkids today.
Not surprisingly, there are lots of alcohol and drug problems - opiates, meth.

Cathlamet, on the Columbia River halfway between Portland and Astoria, is so beautiful.
That's where the last ferry crossing is on the Lower Columbia - a favorite of cyclists.
There's acutally a paper mill on the Oregon side at Wauna.
They worked 24/7  - three shifts - last year to produce toilet paper.
Plus there's a smidgen of development - and a marina with expensive boats from Portland.

You can camp at a narrow park at the marina or stay at the historic Cathlamet Hotel.
Better yet, you can ride thru the Colimbia Whitetailed Deer Refuge right along the river.
And stay at Skamokawa Park with spectacular vistas of the river and bluffs.

<<<>>>

So, those places do still exist - hard hit by Amazon, WalMart, and Covid.
But if you look hard enough, they are still there.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: TCS on December 04, 2021, 04:03:35 pm
I've offered here a couple of routes from the ST to the pier in Corpus Christi, and suggested the Underground Railroad route as an American coast-to-coast  (Lake Erie/Gulf of Mexico).  I had no idea how offensive that was to some here!

I semi seriously stretch to the call the Pacific to the Gulf as being a pathetic sort of a coast to coast.

Do you snort in disgust when someone says they've cycletoured this?:

https://www.sustrans.org.uk/find-other-routes/c2c-or-sea-to-sea

I guess Tuktoyaktuk to Boca Chica would be unimpressive, too, Boca Chica being on the Gulf.   :P  Perhaps an Atlantic<->Pacific crossing of North America is a pathetic sort of coast to coast and only North Cape to Cape Town or Cabo da Roca to Cape Dezhnev is a "real" coast-to-coast to a "real" cycletourist.    ::)

OP - Hey, you're riding across the USA.  Great!  That's wonderful!  Wishing you much joy on your ride.  The only distinction I'd make is you're riding trans-America and not the TransAmerican Trail, the same way I've suggested to other posters they were riding across America on US90 and I-10 and not riding the Southern Tier.  The TransAmerican Trail and Southern Tier are defined routes on copyrighted maps by our host here on this forum, Adventure Cycling.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: TCS on December 04, 2021, 04:28:13 pm
Oh - BTW - my largest dictionary requires a 'tour' to end where it started.  Not even the most pedantic cycletourists I've known make that a requirement for a bike ride to be called a 'tour'.   :D
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: staehpj1 on December 04, 2021, 04:54:44 pm
FWIW, I took the whole thing a lot more seriously when I did the Trans America.  Did wheel dips and all.  We even went back and rode to the ocean later rather than rely on just the Yorktown ending.

After that I really don't care too much about if a trip is truely coast to coast or not.  I guess it is kind of moot now that I feel like it is something that has been checked off of the list.  I didn't even bother to finish the ST when I went to Tallahassee for family reasons from Pensacola.  It would have been easy enough to go back and finish those last 400 miles a week or 10 days later.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 05, 2021, 04:59:49 am
Oh - BTW - my largest dictionary requires a 'tour' to end where it started.  Not even the most pedantic cycletourists I've known make that a requirement for a bike ride to be called a 'tour'.   :D

I am pretty sure I am returning home to where my adventure (Tour) is starting just as I left, by car.  :D

Of course, the locks may have been changed by then.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: staehpj1 on December 05, 2021, 08:10:50 am
Oh - BTW - my largest dictionary requires a 'tour' to end where it started.
By that definition I've never been on a tour unless you start counting day rides, which I suspect that definition might.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 05, 2021, 11:24:11 am
You bicycle from Florida to California. You fly back from California to Florida. Therefore, you and where you began.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 05, 2021, 01:02:32 pm
TCS,

The question was not whether Hike's ride is impressive (it is) but what is a "real" cross to coast trip since "real" can be subjective.  Your somewhat snide comments don't really address the question, just the replies to the OP's question.  You may not agree with the replies but you don't need to get snippy.

Yes, your examples are all impressive coast to coast rides.  But the question was/is since both Washington, DC and Seattle are an estuary and not always thought of as "the coast", does that count as a "real" (the OP's word) coast to coast route? Or at least that is the way I interpreted the question.  As I have said before, to me personally, it is not a "real" (total) coast to coast but it is the rider's ride so they should do what they want.  For instance, would you personally consider riding from Edinburgh to Glasgow "coast to coast" or not?  I personally would not, but again, it meets the definition of "coast to coast" if not the spirit.  Those were my points, not whether his ride is impressive.

As a side note, ACA owns the TransAmerica Bicycle Trail but there is another route used primarily by motorcycles that ACA does not have anything to do with called the TransAmerica Trail https://www.transamtrail.com/ (https://www.transamtrail.com/)  though both use the shortened TransAm phrase.

Tailwinds, John
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 05, 2021, 02:10:45 pm
TCS,

But the question was/is since both Washington, DC and Seattle are an estuary and not always thought of as "the coast", does that count as a "real" (the OP's word) coast to coast route? Or at least that is the way I interpreted the question.  As I have said before, to me personally, it is not a "real" (total) coast to coast but it is the rider's ride so they should do what they want. 

Thanks John, however I would point out that according to Webster:

Definition of coastline
1: a line that forms the boundary between the land and the ocean or a lake

Definition of coast-to-coast
1: extending or airing across an entire nation or continent

So what I was trying to say is that riding from the Potomac River Estuary to another estuary (Puget Sound) is by definition a Coast-to-Coast ride :) The tricky part might be that the definition says lake and not river or lake.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: BikeliciousBabe on December 06, 2021, 02:33:59 pm
I started in Seattle, went to Bar Harbor, ME, turned south to Philly and then ended up on the boardwalk in Ocean, City, NJ looking at the Atlantic Ocean. I consider myself someone who has ridden across the country even though some of the W-E mileage was actually in Canada.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 06, 2021, 04:11:02 pm
I started in Seattle, went to Bar Harbor, ME, turned south to Philly and then ended up on the boardwalk in Ocean, City, NJ looking at the Atlantic Ocean. I consider myself someone who has ridden across the country even though some of the W-E mileage was actually in Canada.
.           Of course it’s cross country tour. What is all this nonsense? What is somebody trying to say? Are they saying that if you don’t dip your wheels it’s not a full transcontinental tour? That’s nonsense. I wouldn’t even talk to anybody who defined it that way.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Smudgy on December 06, 2021, 04:49:53 pm
Coast to coast means Atlantic to Pacific or the other way around. Saltwater to saltwater. Gulf of Mexico doesn't count. Whether you start or finish on a grass marsh, sandy beach or a rock cliff that falls off into the sea doesn't matter. The wheel dip is fun, but not mandatory. You have to at least see and smell the ocean.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: jamawani on December 06, 2021, 05:07:09 pm
And don't forget -
With plate tectonics, the continent I rode across in 1987 has moved.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 06, 2021, 05:28:57 pm
And don't forget -
With plate tectonics, the continent I rode across in 1987 has moved.
Are the plates moving apart or together? 

If the plates move apart, is your ride still consider entirely across the continent?  I mean, you might need to go back and ride those few inches that you cheated on by riding it 35 years ago.  So will I of course.  That sucks because between the two of us, we have probably crossed the country (by one or more definitions) close to 15 times. 

If the plates are moving toward each other, do we get credit on our next tour?  Can we give that credit to other riders who decide dipping is not for them? 
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 06, 2021, 05:50:26 pm
Well if you are going to get into plate tectonics then we should discuss the direction of spin and axis of the earth. The earth spins eastward so therefore is a westbound rider exerting more energy than an eastbound rider and is the greater effort worth more in bragging rights?
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 06, 2021, 05:53:58 pm
Well if you are going to get into plate tectonics then we should discuss the direction of spin and axis of the earth. The earth spins eastward so there is a westbound rider exerting more energy than an eastbound rider and is the greater effort worth more in bragging rights?
My head is about to explode.  I can't even get the "coast to coast" vs. "cross country" thing right and now we are talking tectonics, spin, and axis.  I think trying to define "self contained" is a lot easier. Let's not go there!
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Pat Lamb on December 07, 2021, 09:46:36 am
My ride started in the York River estuary in Virginia downstream of where the Navy loads ordnance into its ocean going ships before deployment.  The trip ended on the ocean side of where oil tankers deliver crude oil off the Puget Sound in Washington.  If some nay-sayer were to argue that's not coast to coast because there are land masses further out to sea, I'd counter that if they ended a ride at, say, Cannon Beach in Oregon, I'd point out that, per their definition, they'd have to carry their bike and swim out to the outer rock to make it a coast to coast ride.

I think whether a ride is coast to coast or not might better be discussed without beer or wine, unless you just like to argue about something that's not politics or religion.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 07, 2021, 10:21:28 am
Pat, since I am one of the those semi-naysers, my question is where do you draw the line as to when it becomes "coast to coast"?  Is the aforementioned Fort Lauderdale to Fort Myers a coast to coast ride (I would definitely disagree)? Or what about the Corpus Christi to San Diego.  I generally think this is not the in the spirit of what "most" people think of as coast to coast but, yes, push come to shove, I would have to agree it meets the criteria of riding from one coast to another coast? 

I would generally accept that Washington to Seattle is coast to coast or cross country ride but is it entirely since Washington and Seattle are both at least 100 miles (total of 4 riding days) from the ocean?  Heck, where I live in Tulsa, a nearby town has an barge navigable river that goes to the Gulf of Mexico.  Is that an acceptable "estuary" since it is accessible to the ocean?  The answer would be no.

Yes, I believe that most of the rides discussed above would be reasonably considered "coast to coast" but are they "entirely" (subjective term) coast to coast as per the original coast to coast definition in the 1st post. 

All I am doing is asking where does one draw the line as to whether it is coast to coast or cross country? As you can see from this spirited discussion, that is a personal decision to make. My line may be different that yours as I strongly implied in my first post. Neither are right or wrong since it is a personal decision.

Again, as I said in my first post, it is up to the rider as it is their ride.  I am not putting down anyone or trying to diminish what they are accomplishing.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: staehpj1 on December 07, 2021, 10:55:02 am
Again, as I said in my first post, it is up to the rider as it is their ride.  I am not putting down anyone or trying to diminish what they are accomplishing.
That is very much key and to be kept in mind.  We can discuss forever we we each think we consider to be coast to coast for our individual purposes.

I do think that when you say US coast to coast you most likely are implying some particular things.  How far that goes may vary.  Folks who live in California, Oregon, or Washington live on the west coast by one way of looking at it.  Similarly folks who live in a costal state in the east live on the east coast.  So if someone were to ride from say Maryland to California and wants to consider it a coast to coast trip that is their call.  If they didn't get over the mountain ranges on either end it would be a pretty big stretch and I'd not consider it legit, but my opinion would be moot.  OTOH if they made it from coastal plain to coastal plain I wouldn't quibble.

If doing it for some bucket list purpose setting stricter criteria may well be something you want to do for yourself.  How strick is up to you.  Heck it might be fun to do the shortes possible coast to coast US Atlantic/Pacific trip.  If it is a cheat by traditional standards  explaining that may be a good idea whan mentioning the trip, for example when mentioning my San Diego to Pensacola trip as a coast to coast trip.  If that were my only coast to coast trip, I'd feel obligated to report it with an asterisk.  In fact I do tend to mention it as a "sort of coast to coast trip" as opposed to my TA which I consider a real coast to coast trip.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 07, 2021, 11:07:17 am
  Heck, where I live in Tulsa, a nearby town has an barge navigable river that goes to the Gulf of Mexico.  Is that an acceptable "estuary" since it is accessible to the ocean?  The answer would be no.
Pretty sure that an Estuary is at least partially salt water.
Definition of estuary
: a water passage where the tide meets a river current
especially : an arm of the sea at the lower end of a river

To me cheating would be like renting a car to cross Kansas to avoid the winds and still claim you road coast-to-coast. We had that on the AT where people claimed to have thru-hiked but skipped VA to save time. Out of 2,175 miles (when I hiked) VA was 550 miles of that - to me that is cheating on the title and diminishing the efforts of those that made the whole journey. I guess those that are sticklers about the ocean at the start and finish could term their rides Ocean-to-Ocean rides. :)
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: BikeliciousBabe on December 07, 2021, 12:25:23 pm
I think whether a ride is coast to coast or not might better be discussed without beer or wine, unless you just like to argue about something that's not politics or religion.
  ;D +1.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 07, 2021, 12:44:06 pm
I think whether a ride is coast to coast or not might better be discussed without beer or wine, unless you just like to argue about something that's not politics or religion.
  ;D +1.

We could always discuss which color bike is better and is one color faster than another? Is paint faster than powder coat? :)
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nettles on December 07, 2021, 12:48:21 pm
We could always discuss which color bike is better and is one color faster than another? Is paint faster than powder coat? :)
That is why I want a titanium frame, no paint.  It must the fastest, right???  That weight savings will allow me to carry more jelly beans!
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: HikeBikeCook on December 07, 2021, 12:53:38 pm
I must say that this thread has been one of the more fun threads and the deviation from the original topic even more entertaining. Thank you all, reading this forum makes my day and the information and comradery is invaluable to me. Happy Holidays  :)
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: John Nelson on December 07, 2021, 04:02:09 pm
You get to decide whether or not you think you rode coast to coast. But I get to decide whether I think you rode coast to coast (not that I'd ever tell you what I thought).

I think the most original modification is the use of "banked miles." This theory says that any miles you rode in any direction other than your primary heading can be banked. You then get to use motorized transportation in your primary direction for any of your banked miles, and those miles can be considered ridden.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 07, 2021, 04:15:27 pm
People who dip their wheels in both oceans walk their bikes down to the water. Therefore, they do not cycle the entire distance. But what does it matter? I started transcontinental tours from Stuart Florida about 200 miles south of Saint Augustine on the east coast. I had to cycle well over 300 miles to get to Perry Florida where I could go West. On much of the ride I could look to my right and see the Atlantic Ocean. When I finally get to California I am on an estuary. That is coast to coast. It’s not that important. Reno Nevada is farther west than San Diego. If someone wanted to make a strict point going coast to coast, you would have to start from Saint Augustine for example or Virginia and go to the west coast that is the farthest west. That would be west of Reno Nevada into California and to the coast. I never thought about designations. To me it’s the adventure and the exhilaration. It’s the excitement. All that other stuff is for the nit pickers.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 10, 2021, 07:47:43 am
And don't forget -
With plate tectonics, the continent I rode across in 1987 has moved.
Are the plates moving apart or together? 

If the plates move apart, is your ride still consider entirely across the continent?  I mean, you might need to go back and ride those few inches that you cheated on by riding it 35 years ago.  So will I of course.  That sucks because between the two of us, we have probably crossed the country (by one or more definitions) close to 15 times. 

If the plates are moving toward each other, do we get credit on our next tour?  Can we give that credit to other riders who decide dipping is not for them?
.     Not just LOL. I am howling.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: ray b on December 10, 2021, 11:52:39 am
Really? Three pages on answers to the simple, semantic question raised by this thread?

You all need to get out and ride more; I don't care how cold it is.

Wishes for a good year of riding to all.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Westinghouse on December 14, 2021, 03:42:28 pm
And don't forget -
With plate tectonics, the continent I rode across in 1987 has moved.
Are the plates moving apart or together? 

If the plates move apart, is your ride still consider entirely across the continent?  I mean, you might need to go back and ride those few inches that you cheated on by riding it 35 years ago.  So will I of course.  That sucks because between the two of us, we have probably crossed the country (by one or more definitions) close to 15 times. 

If the plates are moving toward each other, do we get credit on our next tour?  Can we give that credit to other riders who decide dipping is not for them?
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: tjdale on December 28, 2021, 09:39:35 pm

"Getting to the ocean from DC isn't easy.
The Chesapeake Bay Bridge doesn't allow bicycles.
There is no public transport and the private shuttle is expensive.
Plus, the various route options have heavy traffic.

An alternative is Point Lookout State Park on Chesapeake Bay.
The passenger boat connections via Smith Island are iffy.
And Covid may have put them permanently out of business.
But if your group is willing to pay - it's a great way across the Bay."

Getting from DC to the Eastern Shore can be tricky but from DC to Annapolis there are a number of trails and back roads that are not bad. From Annapolis getting across the Bay Bridge you may be able to hitch a ride, but that is the trickiest part.  After that getting to the ocean is easy on back roads.  You can take Rt 50 as it is a designated bike route but it is extremely busy and I would avoid it.
Title: Re: Is a TransAm Ride Coast-to-Coast
Post by: Soulboy#1 on January 08, 2022, 04:07:14 am
As someone has already said the ride is your own. I did the TA in 2017 and changed the route at the end to follow the Lewis and Clarke trail down the Columbia gorge toward Portland and then on to Astoria. I think the romance of starting on the Atlantic side and finishing on the pacific side (or vice versa) isn’t something to be dismissed and it’s such a monumental achievement! But different strokes for different folks right.