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Title: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 18, 2022, 03:22:37 am
I haven't chimed in for quite awhile but still here following the discussions. I'm thinking about tour ideas for next summers riding season.  There are 5 remaining states in the USA that I have never been to.  North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan.  I am thinking perhaps I might  incorporate these last 5 states into a tour. 


I have ridden through a couple states making up my own route with no problems but even so I would prefer to stay on established routes where I can take advantage of the ACA maps and more often encounter other riders to visit with.  Any ideas of a nice route.


I can see having two places to start depending on how much time I decide to take.  I have a son who lives in Kennewick, WA  I could start there. It wouldn't take much arm twisting to get my wife to go visit the grandkids and deliver me and my bicycle to a starting point pretty close to the Lewis and Clark route.  I could then ride east following the route to the Dakotas.  The shorter option if I can't budget as much time would be if I could take Amtrak's Empire Builder and depart at an appropriate station closer to North Dakota.  From there what do you think might be the a great route to enjoy Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan without too much backtracking.



Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nettles on January 18, 2022, 09:50:11 am
Oooh, a nice query on such a cold day.  I take it you do not have to ride across the entire state but what, in YOUR opinion, constitutes riding "in" a state, i.e., literally just cross the border, must stay in the state X nights, cover X miles, etc.?

Tailwinds, John
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on January 18, 2022, 10:08:49 am
Oooh, a nice query on such a cold day.  I take it you do not have to ride across the entire state but what, in YOUR opinion, constitutes riding "in" a state, i.e., literally just cross the border, must stay in the state X nights, cover X miles, etc.?

Tailwinds, John
I noticed that Nyimbo said they were stated he'd never "been to" not that he'd "never toured" them.  So that does leave open the possibility that a brief visit might be acceptable.  I know that for example almost no one counts changing planes as a visit, but most do count other fairly brief visits. I recall an argument over this topic where one person said you had to perform "a quality action" the case in point was one where they had ridden across a small portion of a state on a bicycle.  The second person said that riding a bike was "a quality action" by any reasionable definition.

Clarification on the requirement in this case?

It looks like a bit of a stretch to cobble it together into one tour.  For what it is worth, I wouldn't hesitate to catch a bus or train to connect two loops or point to point trips if it made for a better overall trip if there isn't any common theme joining it all.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 12:31:11 pm
US 12 has the distinction of an east-west highway that traverses both ND & SD.
You have the near-ghost town of Marmarth, ND - true boom & bust.
Then you cross the Standing Rock Reservation in northern SD.
When you hit the Missouri River at Mobridge, you can follow the Lewis & Clark south.
In southern SD, you can head east on low-traffic roads thru farmland to northern Iowa.

Northern Iowa has excellent paved county roads and a few rail trails - plus numerous county parks for camping.
Swing north to Preston, Minn, and the Root River Trail to the Mississippi.
From La Crosse, Wis. take the Great River Trail to the Elroy-Sparta Trail - the first rail trail in the U.S.
From Elroy, head east on back roads to Manitowoc. Wisconsin has great county bike maps online.

Then take the SS Badger across Lake Michigan to Ludington.
Ride north on the lakeshore and end at Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore.
You can even take a ferry out and camp on one of the Manitou islands.
Sleeping Bear is da best.

https://www.nps.gov/slbe/planyourvisit/northmanitouisland.htm
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 18, 2022, 12:56:22 pm
For my purposes I am talking about having visited even briefly.  For example years ago I was driving across Arkansas from Jonesboro to Fayetteville. When I reached Fort Smith I detoured West into Ok and over to hwy 59, I turned north and had lunch in Stilwell then continued north back into Arkansas to Fayetteville.  That was probably only 2 hours, but I do count it.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nettles on January 18, 2022, 01:18:44 pm
If that is the case, I would suggest starting in Medora, ND, tour that area then head south on US-85 to Spearfish, SD, >US14A south to near Lead and jump on the Mickelson Trail into Hill City. 

Either loop counter clockwise via Custer SP (recommended if you can do some harder climbs) or clockwise into Rapid City.  Head west on state/county roads that parallel I-90 more or less all the way to Austin where you take a nice bike path down to Le Roy, MN. 

Cross over into Iowa briefly into Lime Springs (again via county roads) then back up to Harmony, MN, where you get on the Harmony/Preston Trail then the Root River Trails (both in my Top 5 trails in the USA).  After that, mostly county roads to La Crosse where you pick up various trails and county roads to all the across to Milwaukee (probably 75% trails, most paved).  Cross over to Michigan and then either north along the shore to Sault St. Marie (car back home or to Amtrak), east along bike paths to Flint (Amtrak back home), or south to Holland (Amtrak).

If you want to do this, I have GPS data for most of the route between Spearfish to Milwaukee and cue sheets for most parts between La Crosse to Milwaukee. PM if you want them.

Hope you have a great trip!
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 18, 2022, 03:53:09 pm
In the past couple years, I have thought from time to time that the idea of a route encompassing these 5 remaining states on my list would be a good idea, but this is the first time I have done so in front of the computer and maps - looking to see if it is possible or wise etc. Thanks for the ideas.  I just spent the last couple hours trying to google.map the 2 suggested routes above.

Here are my first takes after 2 hours mapping. 
Starting my trip from my son's house in Washington is a better idea if I board the Amtrak there.  I quickly realized don't have enough time to do another cross country at this time.  But Amtrak from Washington to ND looks good.  John why did you suggest Minot - Just curious?  It looks like bikes are allowed to board at both in Minot and Williston.

Second thought I'd probably be happy to take the Ferry and ride to Sleeping Bear Dunes and end the ride there. I can and leave the extra sight seeing in Salt St. Marie to another trip.  My wife and I are planning to vacation in the Upper Peninsula the summer after she retires anyway.

I do enjoy the bike paths and rail trails.  I thoroughly enjoyed the Kathy trail, the GAP and the C&O, as well as one I am forgetting the name of out of Cincinnati.

Last, is Mount Rushmore worth a detour to see on bicycle?




Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 04:13:35 pm
Mount Rushmore is fine if you like 3.5 million tourists and traffic backed up for miles.
The North Unit of Theodore Roosevelt National Park is way more rewarding.

Do you do dirt?
Do you prefer busier roads with services or quiet back roads?
How much time do you have for this - - and when.
January is rather chilly, but Juy can be blistering hot in the Dakotas.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nettles on January 18, 2022, 04:39:56 pm
John why did you suggest Minot - Just curious?  It looks like bikes are allowed to board at both in Minot and Williston.

Last, is Mount Rushmore worth a detour to see on bicycle?
I said Medora (along I-94), not Minot.  I thought Medora since you indicated your wife might be able to bring you there in the car.  Plus it is sort of a neat town in that almost the entire town is owned by a non-profit group (the town itself I think).  I also found the loop inside the adjoining Theodore Roosevelt NP interesting.  If taking Amtrak to the start (not the wife), then probably Williston or whatever stop to the west is.  However, the highway going south of Williston has a fairly significant amount of truck traffic but it did have good shoulders IIRC. The traffic dies out the closer you get to I-94 but I would never consider it quiet north of I-94.

I really really enjoy the area around Custer SP in South Dakota and that is one reason I like the new ACA PPP Route.  I consider this area the best area of SD by far.  Mt. Rushmore is nice and only around 3 miles off route.  But it does have a decent climb to get to it.  I found it one of the more interesting national monuments but it may not be for everyone.  You would probably need 1/2 day total to visit it. 

Between say Kadoka and Kennebec, the scenery is more miles not smiles, at least to me.  But totally wide open.  East of Chamberlain it starts to green up and flatten out. Minnesota east is fairly green to lush green.  Note that from LaCrosse, you can either take the rail trails (nice and flat but not as scenic) or the bucolic but very hilly county roads to Baraboo. I also really enjoy riding in Wisconsin.  Just be sure to always lock your bikes due to the higher incidents of bike thefts which I guess is one of the downsides of such a bike-friendly state.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 18, 2022, 05:28:00 pm
Do you do dirt?
Do you prefer busier roads with services or quiet back roads?
How much time do you have for this - - and when.
January is rather chilly, but Juy can be blistering hot in the Dakotas.
I Used to hate dirt but my newest bike's tires handle dirt fine
I'm limiting myself to plus or minus 4 weeks
Perhaps Cinco de Mayo would be a good start date

I prefer quiet back roads with lots of services
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 06:03:21 pm
I prefer quiet back roads with lots of services

Ha-ha. Don't we all.

But sometimes you can do that if the north-south road is busy,
but the east-west road is a backwater.

In northern Indiana, US 30 is 4 lanes, almost expressway.
The historic Lincoln Highway, Old US 30, is still a pretty busy through route.
But Old Trail Road, which predates the Lincoln Highway, is practically empty.
Plus, you get the services in towns along the way.

But situations like that are rare and require doing your homework.

Pic - Old Trail Road near Columbia City
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 06:24:35 pm
About Cinco de Mayo and Amtrak -

May 5th is still early in the Northern Plains - especially with any elevation.
I live at 4900 ft. at the base of the Bighorns - in the flatlands so to speak.
We always get early May snows and often have a cold snap on Memorial Day.
Some facilities - esp. in the Black Hills - may not open until late May.

Amtrak has been strugging throughout the pandemic.
They cut service on the Empire Builder to 3 days per week.
Last summer they expanded it back to 7 days.
But then they had the horrible wreck with fatalities near Chester, Mont.
This route has been plagued with significant delays even before the accident.

Check and double-check service dates.
It can be confusing because a train that departs Portland on a Wed.
then travels across North Dakota on Thurs. and arrives in Chicago on Fri.
The Empire Builder bike service is only available at stations with baggage service.
Havre, MT and Minot, ND have baggage service. Williston's has been irregular.
Williston suspended baggage service during the worst of the pandemic.
It may suspend again because of staffing issues. Check well in advance.

I've used Amtrak on many tours. I guess they're about as good as airlines.
It's certainly cheaper and the bike boxes are huge.
They damaged my front fork once and left my bike at the wrong station another time.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 18, 2022, 06:49:21 pm
Thanks for the heads up re: Amtrak.
For this possible tour starting in Minot when do you think you would start?
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nettles on January 18, 2022, 07:02:30 pm
Checkout WeatherSpark.com to see what the best time is for you.  I like it warm, others like it cool. 

For instance, in May, Minot starts with a high of only 62* but ends with 72*.  However, wind is slightly more northerly before the middle of the month but the chance of rain increases as the month goes along.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 08:51:51 pm
There's a reason why so few people live in North Dakota.
If the average high in early May is 62F -
That means 3 days of 42F with cold rain & snow flurries -
Then maybe a passing day of 62F, then three days of 82F.

Plus there is Dorothy - of course, she was down in Kansas.
There's another story about a girl named Flora Leigh from North Dakota.
She told the good witch that she didn't want to go home again.
Arctic cold, then huge storms, then blazing heat.

The Great Plains have a precipitation peak around Memorial Day.
About half the annual precip comes in May and June - comes in buckets.
And via storms that are doozies and breathtaking.
But nothing to take lightly, either, especially if you are on a bicycle.
During late spring, it's best to ride early and be done by early afternoon.
Because storms build to monstrous heights in the late afternoon heat.

And if you are cycling thru Wisconsin and across to Michigan -
The North Woods and Lake Michigan take along time to warm up.
Granted, Michigan is at the end of your trip.
But break-up of the lake ice can take place anywhere from early March to late April.
And the Michigan shore is 5-7 degrees cooler than the Wisconsin side.

<<<>>>

With all that said -
and still not knowing exactly where you are plotting this or for how long -
I'd start just after Memorial Day and finish just before July 4th. 4 1/2 weeks.
If you started earlier, Memorial Day shouldn't be an issue in the High Plains.
But any later and July 4th will be crazy on the Lake Michigan shore.

Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Pat Lamb on January 18, 2022, 09:24:06 pm
If I may circle back to the question of "Do you count a state ...?"

How do you count states you've cycled in?

I met a couple on tour some years back; the lady was firmly of the opinion that it didn't count unless they had ridden at least 100 miles in that state.

I kept my mouth shut, but I was wondering, "What about Idaho?"  The only time I've cycled (or even been on the ground) in Idaho, we crossed the state up at Sandpoint.  I mean: We. Crossed. The. State.  But I've only cycled about 60 miles in Idaho -- so should it count?

Of course, an answer to that question might leave open Michigan (rode 1.5 miles off route into the U.P and back) and West Virginia (rode around Harpers Ferry and back across the river to Maryland).
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 18, 2022, 09:35:48 pm
How do you count states?

One, Mississippi ... Two, Mississippi ... Three, Mississippi ...
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nettles on January 18, 2022, 10:44:13 pm
"How do you count states you've cycled in?"

For me, I try to count it as I had to sleep in the state for 2 nights, not necessarily back to back.  The only state this has not worked out for me is Rhode Island.  I guess I could do circles or take a rest day (cheating on the intent), but generally speaking, I have to be in the state for 2 nights.  The reason is then it is a full day in riding in it.  This is MY definition which does not have to be yours or vice versa (I don't want to get into another "what is crossing the state/country" thing.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nelson on January 19, 2022, 02:01:16 am
I try to count it as I had to sleep in the state for 2 nights

You have quite the strict definition. I'm more lax.

I cycled across the panhandle of Idaho on the Northern Tier without ever sleeping there. But since I rode border to border, I definitely count that. It's not my fault that it's such a narrow state.

Well, I did also sleep four nights in Idaho when crossing it at a wider point on the TransAm. But I would have counted it based on the Northern Tier alone.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 19, 2022, 02:22:14 am
If I were to only count states I have ridden in, or the even more difficult goal of having ridden across the state -- then that is an unobtainable goal for me. Its fun though to say I have visited all 50 states.  I can do that one and would like to.

Interesting story, I tried to visit 4 African countries in one day.  Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana and Namibia. It didn't happen as border posts and ferries and bad roads prevented it but we made 3 and my kids still remember it as a fun adventure trying to do it.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Pat Lamb on January 19, 2022, 09:04:28 am
One, Mississippi ... Two, Mississippi ... Three, Mississippi ...

But But but...

When you get to fifty, you've still only counted one, Mississippi!  :D

For me, I try to count it as I had to sleep in the state for 2 nights, not necessarily back to back.  The only state this has not worked out for me is Rhode Island.  I guess I could do circles or take a rest day (cheating on the intent), but generally speaking, I have to be in the state for 2 nights.  The reason is then it is a full day in riding in it.

For the NT Idaho panhandle crossing I mentioned, the "full day" riding would still apply (since we camped in Clark Fork the night before), but I'd still fail the two nights because we crossed the border into Washington that afternoon.

The 2 nights makes sense, and it's an easily applied, concise criterion.  I guess my own is something like "substantial riding in a state" which I'll admit is a bit fuzzy.  Most states are clearcut, a few have a mental asterisk by them, and then there's a couple that I'm not sure how they fall in the ridden - not ridden characterization.

Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on January 19, 2022, 09:30:41 am
There's a reason why so few people live in North Dakota.
I don't know much about North Dakota, but I have a friend who lived on various Air Force Bases arounrd the world.  He said his time on Minot AFB was hell on earth weather wise and didn't have anything else in the way of redeeming qualities.  I wouldn't count on his judgement about the other redeeming qualities, but the bad weather seemed to be something burned into his psyche.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: jamawani on January 19, 2022, 10:11:02 am
Why not Minot?

Right now - 8 a.m., Jan. 19th - it's minus 12F in Minot,
22 mph west wind - for a windchill of minus 39F
Not the best cycling weather.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: HikeBikeCook on January 19, 2022, 10:15:35 am
How many nights would you have to sleep in RI? I live 16 miles away and ridden across a few times but come home to sleep in Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on January 19, 2022, 10:24:45 am
Why not Minot?

Right now - 8 a.m., Jan. 19th - it's minus 12F in Minot,
22 mph west wind - for a windchill of minus 39F
Not the best cycling weather.
At least it isn't snowing.  My friend claimed it "snowed sideways" all winter.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: BikeliciousBabe on January 20, 2022, 01:41:10 pm
Last, is Mount Rushmore worth a detour to see on bicycle?
I paid a visit while touring in the Black Hills in 2015.  Made camp at the zoo that is the KOA on SD 244 near Hill City and rode a loop that took the very nice back way to Keystone (tacky tourist town complete with fake gunfights) then went up the (steep hill) to the site.  During my visit I nearly lost an eye a couple of times to selfie sticks, and it wasn't even the height of the summer season.  At least there is no entrance fee, and there were a lot of bike racks (which were empty).

Someone mentioned Spearfish. Loved it there. Nicest municipal campground I have ever stayed in, despite the poor choice of bathhouse floor tile.  Right next to a historic national fish hatchery complete with a reproduction of a train car that was used to stock waters with trout.  (Trout are not native to SD.)  That, in turn attracted visitors, many of whom arrived traveled by...you guessed it...rail and stayed in hotels owned by the railroads.  And the ride through Spearfish Canyon up 14A was terrific.  Very little traffic in mid-June. Stayed on 14A at Savoy through Cheyenne Crossing then eventually picked up the Mickelson Trail at the Englewood Trailhead via N. Rochford and Brownsville Rd.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Nyimbo on January 20, 2022, 01:53:30 pm
Someone mentioned Spearfish. Loved it there. Nicest municipal campground I have ever stayed in, despite the poor choice of bathhouse floor tile.


Bathhouse floor tile - did you take a picture? 

I appreciate this post and the previous posters helpful posts regarding this route 8)  Thanks
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nelson on January 20, 2022, 03:12:55 pm
Last, is Mount Rushmore worth a detour to see on bicycle?

This opens up a whole topic worthy of a separate thread, not just specific to Mount Rushmore, but I'll give my thoughts here.

What constitutes a worthwhile detour? It depends on a number of factors, not the least of which is how much time you have:
Back to Mount Rushmore specifically, yes, it's worth the time to go see it, especially if you're not sure you'll be back in this area. It doesn't take long to see, so it's not a big investment of time. I'd definitely go off route 3 miles to see it, but I wouldn't go off route 100 miles to see it.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on January 31, 2022, 12:35:17 pm
I haven't chimed in for quite awhile but still here following the discussions. I'm thinking about tour ideas for next summers riding season.  There are 5 remaining states in the USA that I have never been to.  North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan.  I am thinking perhaps I might  incorporate these last 5 states into a tour. 


I have ridden through a couple states making up my own route with no problems but even so I would prefer to stay on established routes where I can take advantage of the ACA maps and more often encounter other riders to visit with.  Any ideas of a nice route.


I can see having two places to start depending on how much time I decide to take.  I have a son who lives in Kennewick, WA  I could start there. It wouldn't take much arm twisting to get my wife to go visit the grandkids and deliver me and my bicycle to a starting point pretty close to the Lewis and Clark route.  I could then ride east following the route to the Dakotas.  The shorter option if I can't budget as much time would be if I could take Amtrak's Empire Builder and depart at an appropriate station closer to North Dakota.  From there what do you think might be the a great route to enjoy Iowa, Wisconsin and Michigan without too much backtracking.

Very cool! I’m working on bicycling across all 50 states but I only count the state if I spend 3+ days touring in the state and I enter/exit the state from opposite ends. I’m at 46 thus far with only North Dakota, Delaware, Alaska and Hawaii left. The first two I’ll be doing this year and the final two hopefully in 2023.

I can tell you how I got across the states you’ve mentioned but would probably be too much backtracking for you…

South Dakota: Entered near Edgemont on US 18 and made my way up to Rapid City via Custer/Keystone and rode Interstate 90 (legal in South Dakota) to Sioux Falls where I exited into Minnesota.

Wisconsin: Entered in Osceola on HWY 243 and rode US 8 to HWY 41 near Green Bay. Rode the shore of Lake Michigan south and exited into suburban Chicago

Michigan: Entered south of Niles (near North Bend, IN) and rode US 12 to Coldwater, HWY 233 to Adrian, and exited at Toledo, Ohio

Iowa: RAGBRAI! I started in Galena, Illinois and exited near Sioux City into Nebraska. RAGBRAI doesn’t leave the state so I had to add on a few extra days to officially cross it off. 

North Dakota: This June I’ll be riding the ACA’s Northern Tier from Glendive, Montana to Fargo. I’ll cross over into Minnesota to cross it off.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on January 31, 2022, 12:42:08 pm
Last, is Mount Rushmore worth a detour to see on bicycle?

The Black Hills of South Dakota are one of my favorite spots to tour. I’ve done the area a few times, once using roads and once using the George S. Mickelson Trail, which I’ve linked below.

Mt. Rushmore was fantastic and the climb to the monument was quite the workout. Wide shoulders mostly and traffic was great. It’s free to enter for bicyclist.

Check out the Needles Highway as well.

If you ride the Mickelson Trail I highway recommend continuing on from Deadwood to Spearfish via Spearfish Canyon. One of the prettiest rides you’ll ever do.

Lastly, Badlands NP is my second favorite NP to visit by bicycle (behind Glacier). If you’re in Rapid City you can do a nice loop through the remote town of Scenic, through Badlands and back to Rapid City via Interstate 90 and the small town of Wall.

https://gfp.sd.gov/parks/detail/george-s--mickelson-trail/
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: John Nelson on January 31, 2022, 04:29:49 pm

I’m at 46 thus far with only North Dakota, Delaware, Alaska and Hawaii left.

I think that to count Hawaii, you need to ride on every island. Well, maybe not all 137, but at least the eight main ones.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on January 31, 2022, 05:19:22 pm

I’m at 46 thus far with only North Dakota, Delaware, Alaska and Hawaii left.

I think that to count Hawaii, you need to ride on every island. Well, maybe not all 137, but at least the eight main ones.
Hmmm, I only rode on the big island and I count that.  Didn't tour there btw, just borrowed a bike and took a spin around the neighborhood while I was there so I could say I rode there.  I had to fix two flat tires to do it.  The bike was a real clunker, but it was a ride.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on January 31, 2022, 08:53:19 pm

I’m at 46 thus far with only North Dakota, Delaware, Alaska and Hawaii left.

I think that to count Hawaii, you need to ride on every island. Well, maybe not all 137, but at least the eight main ones.

Sounds like a serious undertaking lol If I remember correctly, only 7 of the islands are inhabited but unsure how many are accessible easily.

I do intend to ride on/around 3 of them. Hawai’i (The “Big Island”), O’ahu and Maui. My main goal is to see Haleakala National Park on Maui.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on February 01, 2022, 08:13:17 am
FWIW, the Big Island looked like a nice place for a loop tour.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on February 01, 2022, 06:03:13 pm
FWIW, the Big Island looked like a nice place for a loop tour.

I’ve been looking at routes on the website below but would want to include Hawai’i Volcanoes National Park into it. There isn’t a lot of information available on multi day tours around Hawaii. Any of the tours I do find are calling 40-55 miles “multi day.”

http://jeffwerner.ca/blog/2014/09/road-cycling-the-big-island/
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on February 01, 2022, 06:48:43 pm
FWIW, the Big Island looked like a nice place for a loop tour.

I’ve been looking at routes on the website below but would want to include Hawai’i Volcanoes National Park into it. There isn’t a lot of information available on multi day tours around Hawaii. Any of the tours I do find are calling 40-55 miles “multi day.”

http://jeffwerner.ca/blog/2014/09/road-cycling-the-big-island/
Not sure how long you could stretch a loop on the big island.  One of the driving loops was 125 miles, but it was far from the longest possible.  Also, you might consider a different sort of tour than usual.  There are so many possible points of interest to stop at that really short mileage days just might be acceptable.  I know that I tend to ride all day on my tours, but doing stuff like spending most of a day snorkeling at Two Step beach, hiking to points of interest, taking a helicopter tour, or hitting other points of interest or activities could really stretch out the trip.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on February 01, 2022, 10:42:08 pm
FWIW, the Big Island looked like a nice place for a loop tour.

I’ve been looking at routes on the website below but would want to include Hawai’i Volcanoes National Park into it. There isn’t a lot of information available on multi day tours around Hawaii. Any of the tours I do find are calling 40-55 miles “multi day.”

http://jeffwerner.ca/blog/2014/09/road-cycling-the-big-island/
Not sure how long you could stretch a loop on the big island.  One of the driving loops was 125 miles, but it was far from the longest possible.  Also, you might consider a different sort of tour than usual.  There are so many possible points of interest to stop at that really short mileage days just might be acceptable.  I know that I tend to ride all day on my tours, but doing stuff like spending most of a day snorkeling at Two Step beach, hiking to points of interest, taking a helicopter tour, or hitting other points of interest or activities could really stretch out the trip.

Thanks for the advice. I definitely spend a lot of time sightseeing while on my tours and have done several short days to accommodate as such. I expect Hawaii to be no different.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: staehpj1 on February 02, 2022, 08:33:49 am
Thanks for the advice. I definitely spend a lot of time sightseeing while on my tours and have done several short days to accommodate as such. I expect Hawaii to be no different.
I think that will be more true with Hawaii than with most tours.  BTW, I highly recommend Two Step beach if you can work out a way to get there with snorkeling equipment.  It a public beach and was recommended over any of the pay snorkeling tours by our host when we were there.  The locals we talked to agreed.  I think there are equipment rentals 3-4 miles north of Two Step.  I snorkeled a couple other places there and they paled in comparison to Two Step.
Title: Re: Route ideas for touring in my 5 northern missing states
Post by: Ty0604 on February 02, 2022, 11:28:09 am
Thanks for the advice. I definitely spend a lot of time sightseeing while on my tours and have done several short days to accommodate as such. I expect Hawaii to be no different.
I think that will be more true with Hawaii than with most tours.  BTW, I highly recommend Two Step beach if you can work out a way to get there with snorkeling equipment.  It a public beach and was recommended over any of the pay snorkeling tours by our host when we were there.  The locals we talked to agreed.  I think there are equipment rentals 3-4 miles north of Two Step.  I snorkeled a couple other places there and they paled in comparison to Two Step.

I actually don’t swim. Never learned how lol Sounds fun though!