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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: StephanieP on March 28, 2007, 08:55:43 pm
Two friends and I are leaving in early may to bike from Illinois to California on route 66. While I've only a month left before we set off, I haven't really considered costs until now. We are going to be roughing it in the most severe sense of the word-sleeping next to the road, dumpstering when possible...etc...I am curious as to the very least I should expect to spend on this trip (2500 miles) with all excess costs cut out. Also, I'd prefer to eat only non-dairy foods, but I have been told that this will be impossible if I want to survive in the midwest. It would be especially helpful to hear from anyone who has maintained a vegan/vegetarian diet during long rides, or from anyone who may have trekked this route before. General advice is also welcome.  Thank you!

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: RussellSeaton on March 29, 2007, 01:32:05 pm
My general comment is why are you doing this if funds are so tight that you have to worry about them?  Bike touring is a vacation.  You don't have to do it to live.  Why not get a job and save up the money so its not a worry?  Your comments about money are analogous to a person on food stamps, welfare, etc. complaining that their cable and internet and cell phone bills are too high.  And they did not win the lottery even though they buy 20 tickets a week.  If money is tight, why are you buying luxury, non essential goods?  Or taking two month long vacations?  I don't care how cheap your vacation is, its still a vacation where you are spending disposable income and not earning money.  I always associated vacations with those who could afford it.  I guess I need to get up to date with the modern world.  Vacations for those who can't afford it and no vacations for those who can afford it.  Backwards.

If you ever do take the trip, there should be no food problems.  Here in the midwest we have many, many well stocked grocery stores.  We like to eat in the midwest.  As corroborated by the obese people you will see everywhere.  Lots of grain products such as bread, rice, noodles, etc.  2 pound bag of white rice is 99 cents at Aldis.  It would last me a day or two and be tasty and healthy.  Lots of vegetables and fruit.  Fresh or canned or frozen.  I've heard various kinds of beans have protein and they are sold in our grocery stores.  I've also seen those soy protein powders at health stores and Wal-Mart and Target.  They are a good substitute for protein and meet your vegetarian/vegan requirement.

As for other general recommendations, travel light.  Minimal gear.  Experiment at home with the cooking aparatus you are planning on using.  Since cheapness is a main requirement for you, you will have to cook your food from grocery stores.  Try it at home using a propane, gas, etc. stove and see how it works.  Take a sleeping bag because it can get cold at night in the midwest and southwest in the spring.

As you get further west, out of the midwest, you will have far fewer towns along the route.  Towns are plentiful in the midwest.  Less so in the southwest.  So you will have to carry more food and water with you on those stretches with less towns.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ptaylor on March 29, 2007, 06:07:45 pm
Hi Stephanie.

I'm pleased that you are planning a great x-country trip. I would like to help you make it a pleasant memory.

Fortunately, I see some areas where  I can offer some advice.

I will echo Russell, that, if money is a prime consideration, you save up for a while, and make the adventure when money is not the primary decision factor.

Paul

This message was edited by ptaylor on 3-29-07 @ 2:16 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ride29 on March 29, 2007, 09:36:18 pm
I don't think there is anything wrong with being frugal - even while on vacation. Perhaps some folks have an endless supply of cash...I don't. I can certainly still enjoy my time while living on the cheap, and in so doing can take longer or more vacations. There are a lot of things to enjoy that are free of charge - such as beautiful scenery, the freedom of riding, and the fellowship of others. I could go out and spend a thousand dollars in a week, or stretch it out over two months...I prefer the latter. Your results may vary - to each his own!

Daryl Bernard
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: StephanieP on March 29, 2007, 09:51:14 pm
Thank you for your reply. Although I'm nervous about lack of funds, I am wholeheartedly committed to doing this, now, because I know that I may never get the chance again. And while I'm sure that opportunities abound when resources are plentiful, I also tend to believe that bicycling is one of those last frontiers that does not require a huge bank account to be richly rewarding. In the spirit of commercialism, adventures such as this may not always come so cheaply. Amen!

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: DaveB on March 29, 2007, 11:32:50 pm
....bicycling is one of those last frontiers that does not require a huge bank account to be richly rewarding.

That's true but how much can you enjoy a trip where every penny must be carefully watched.  Poverty and privation are poor traveling companions.  

I think Russell was a bit harsh but his overall concept is valid.  You don't need huge resources or lavish accommodations but  you do need enough money to more than barely get by.  you need to eat adequately, sleep in a safe place and be prepared for unexpected expenses and bike repairs.  

Also, as a woman, do you really want to sleep by the road side with no other shelter?  Face reality, that's not a safe or intelligent plan.

Finally, the vegan diet doesn't strike me as an attractive option either but it's your choice.  Just be careful to get a well balanced meals as your riding will be very demanding on your nutrition.  It's difficult to get all of the proteins you need on that diet unless you choose very wisely and that won't be the cheapest food available.  

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dmw4322 on March 30, 2007, 12:12:35 am
let me start by saying that i totally disagree with russell. don't let a lack
of money dictate your life. when i was in high school a met a bike
traveller named alton who came through my small town. he saved a
little money and traveled for a year trying not to use it. he stealthed
camped, ate out of dumpsters, and avoided luxuries. he was having a
great time and had great stories to tell. i really do believe the best
things in life are free.

here are a few ideas:

talk to lots of people and make friends. you will often find someone to
give you a yard to camp in, a shower to use and a free meal.


if you dumpster dive, try to talk to a stocker and asked them to set the
food out in a box so you don't have to dig for it. also look for places
that bake fresh and ask for their day olds before they throw them out.

me and my friends use to go into pizza places and head for the
restroom for a minute. come out and on your way grab some left over
slices off tables. know one usually notices or cares. (not a great tip for
vegans)

i'm sure you don't mean capmping on the side of the road but stealth
camping. i say don't worry about water. if you are willing to dumpster
dive i'm sure you don't mind missing a couple of showers. hit public
bathrooms for spit baths and every few days splurge on a campsite for
a good shower. you can also pay the day fee at a state park and use
there showers (though most frown upon it) and then go camp some
where else.

if your choice is traveling cheap or getting a job and not then i would
choose the first. have a great trip.

doug



Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Dan_E_Boye on March 30, 2007, 05:03:57 am
I'm a vegetarian and I did the Trans Am last summer.  It wasn't easy in most of the country.  I had to resort to a lot of granola bars and power bars and such.  I also had my wife send me care packages with TVP to help make sure I got my protien.  I would think that if you're going to dumpster dive you will have to give up on being picky.  I met a few vegans on the Trans Am and they said they had to slack up a little and do some dairy.

I respect your spirit in not waiting.  I agree with that philosophy.  Don't count on tomorrow.  I wish I had begun touring when I was in my late teens or early twenties.  I let more than two decades of my adult life pass me by before I started touring.

I think you might find people will be willing to look out for you more than they would for a male.  I met women on the road that told me about people handing them money.  That never happened to me despite having been told I have nice legs.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Lucky13 on March 30, 2007, 08:33:49 am
It may be a fine line between a bicycle tourist and a bicycle bum. I can
find nothing noble or special about sleeping in a drainage ditch or
rooting around in a dumpster. Such practices may not be illegal or even
shady, but do you REALLY wish to travel in that fashion?

As for any suggestions to use facilities meant for others, to interrupt
workers in hope of a handout or to pilfer food from restaurant tables -
two words come to mind: grow up.
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Stalls on March 30, 2007, 12:33:42 pm
Dumpster diving then going into pizza joints? This is how widescale highly infectious deceases get reborn back into society.  Am all for stealth camping and doing toruing on the cheap. But let common sence prevail please?

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dmw4322 on March 30, 2007, 12:55:13 pm
it's sad that someone traveling with little or know money is now
thought of as a "bum". i always thought of a bum as someone who
begs money off of other people. a 100 years ago traveling with no
home or money was more common and not as looked down upon. that
changed after the depression though.

eating out of dumpsters and off tables is obviously not for everyone
but i don't consider it immoral so have no problems with it.

how do you get a "highly infectious disease" from eating a slice of
pizza or a dented can of beans?

i have never slept in a drainage ditch though i'm not to proud to if the
need arises.

i'm not sure what is meant by facilities meant for others.

i don't want to use this space to debate the right or wrong way to travel
with little or no money so i'll make no more post defending my views.
let's just say different people have different views and all are valid.

p.s. why grow up?

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: RussellSeaton on March 30, 2007, 01:14:26 pm
Let me add and reply to a few comments.

I am all for cheap.  I'm cheap.  Bicycle vacations are usually cheap.  I have taken many week long cross state bike rides where you pay $100 for them to haul your stuff and you sleep in a tent on the ground and buy your food along the way.  $300 for the week is pretty easy.  Cheap vacation.  I could even make it cheaper by eating out of grocery stores instead of restaurants during the week.  But it was a vacation from work where I earned money to afford vacations.  Even though they were cheap vacations.  Money, how little or much I spent on vacation, was not the concern.  It was the vacation aspect.  Being able to do a vacation cheaply added to its pleasure for me because I am cheap.  In some things.  So I am all for taking cheap vacations by bike.  Its great.

Between college and starting to work, I traveled Europe via bike.  Cheaply because I did not have much money.  A few thousand dollars saved up after bike gear and flights were paid for.  It was enough to not worry about money though.  I wasn't too lavish.  But I don't mind eating from grocery stores.  I'm not too picky about food.  I just want enough food.  I stayed in hostels or pensiones each night.  Fairly cheap and comfortable and safe.  Stayed with friends I met along the way or knew before going over.  Ate at restaurants some.  Cheaper restaurants.  Cleaned up after riding each day to stay healthy.  Saw the sights of Rome, Florence, Pisa, Zurich, Munich, Amsterdam, etc.  A great vacation.  And maybe the last time I have 4 months off.  I also had a full time job waiting for me at the end of summer so I was going to be employed soon.  Now that I am in the working world, its hard to get away for long periods.  Regrettably.  So I understand taking the opportunity to take a long bike ride.  You might not get many opportunities in life.  But do it responsibly.  Work to earn some money before hand.  Get your life in order so you have something to come back to or do with your life afterwards.

Someone mentioned meeting a person who traveled via bike cheaply and thought that was great.  Sounds great.  The person said this person got jobs and saved up enough to travel all year.  Sounds good for a portion of life.  Not an entire life.  But the person said they were a child when they met this bicyclist.  Therefore I am pretty sure the child did not really understand what the bicyclist was doing.  The bicyclist WORKED to SAVE up ENOUGH MONEY to travel via bicycle for a year, cheaply.  The WORK and SAVE parts seem to not be understood.  And I suspect this bicyclist also just stopped wherever they were when money ran out and got a job for awhile and saved money and then took off again.  Maybe harder to do this today.  But this bicyclist understood they needed money to travel via bicycle, even if living cheaply.  Don't need much, but you need enough to not spend all of your time and effort worrying about it.

For the people who condone or advocate some of the less pleasant ideas originally presented.  How would you like it if there were people sleeping in the alleys in your neighborhood?  Or near your yards?  Or in your yards?  How about people going through your trash cans?  How about people coming up and using your outside house water hydrants to bathe and wash and drink from?  Or gong through your garden or fruit trees on your property to get food?  Or people sleeping in your town's city parks where you go for evening walks with your family?  I'm not talking about areas of city property out in the boonies miles from anyone or anything.  I mean parks where the people of the town use all the time.  The walking trails and bike trails that go by the elementary and junior high schools in my neighborhood for instance.  If you are against people using your house and property and neighborhood for these actions, why suggest travelers to these things to other people's houses, businesses, property, towns?

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cyclesafe on March 30, 2007, 01:15:03 pm
Well, if you are a vegetarian because you don't want to exploit animals, maybe it would be OK for you to eat road kill.  I mean, you would have taken no action to breed or raise the animals for consumption, and if you find something only recently dead, chances are that you wouldn't get sick if you cooked it long enough.  You might also be able to use the animals' hides to stich yourself some warm clothes.

Seriously though, here is a list of the nasties you can catch by dumpster diving or eating off other people's plates.  You are foolish to do so.

http://recipes.lnlphotos.com/bacteria.html



This message was edited by cyclesafe on 3-30-07 @ 9:31 AM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cara2u on March 31, 2007, 03:24:22 am
Hi Steph!Don't let some of these folks talk you out of going on your trip.
Becoming a vagabond/wanderer for awhile could be an enriching
experience that will provide many a story to tell your children one day.
My advise, sign up for  www.warmshowers.org. The website lists folks all
over the world who can provide you with a free shower, place to sleep etc.

Namaste
James2u

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bruno on March 31, 2007, 01:32:44 pm
yeah steph!! have fun! don't listen to lectures from strangers on the internet. sheesh!!

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cyclesafe on April 01, 2007, 09:59:25 am
Stephanie, get down on your knees, cup your hands around that little flicker of doubt, add some biodegradable, low carbon footprint fuel to it, and blow gently.  Turn that little spark of light into a flame that will enlighten and warm you.  That flicker, Stephanie, is your common sense.

I don't think that there is any way to reconcile the dumpster diver, "throw yourself on the charity of others", stealth camping crowd and the self-reliant, independent, pay-your-own way crowd.  But it seems that the latter have expended far more time and effort to express their opinions here.

I think it's for two reasons.  One, because they have seen the dumpster type of tourer and it embarasses them.  They think that the people they meet will become of the opinion that bicycle tourers are really bums, presenting themselves as helpless so people will be morally obligated to take care of them.  This breeds resentment and makes it more difficult for the next tourer who may genuinely need the (for emergencies only) largess of the locals because the tourer has broken down or has fallen ill - or just fallen!

The other reason is that they seriously want to help you with your dilemma at what appears to be a crossroads of your life.  Believe me, your children won't care that you did this.  Nobody will admire you.  In fact, I bet that when you regale others with your tale in the future, you'll leave out the part where you picked through trash cans or ate other peoples' discarded food.  You'll leave out the part where you huddled out of the rain wet and miserable in some drainage ditch or where you were assaulted in the night by some fellow hobo.

If you are truly seeking advice, please listen to the experience of those who have made an investment of their time in you - a complete stranger.  Wait to tour until you have the money to do it properly.  Even then you won't be spending much money.  :)

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: MikeL on April 01, 2007, 12:52:46 pm
I don't know if anybody actually answered the question about how much it might cost.

I guess one answer is nothing -- if you can really get all your food out of dumpsters (are you serious?) and guerrilla camp every night, where's the expense?

The reality is though even aside from the disease and gross-out issues dumpster diving isn't going to get you anywhere.  A bum might be able to live on dumpster diving since he's just hanging out all day, but biking every day is an entirely different animal.  (Think eating twice as much, if not more, than you usually do, and still being hungry.)  There's no possibility that it will get you the calories you need, much less the necessary nutritional balance.  So really that just shouldn't be an option.  Guerrilla camping, on the other hand, probably can be found along long stretches of the route.

So Stephanie let's say you decide to buy all your food and go as cheap as possible.  Cheap staples are lipton dinners, PB & tortillas, instant oatmeal, granola bars, and maybe ramen (I'd say easy mac but sounds like that's out for you).  Then when you get to a store cook up some perishables (like frozen vegetables) to balance your diet as much as possible.  (Also try to find some protien -- don't know where you'll get that but you should find out.) If you're dedicated to eating this stuff, and won't be tempted by cafes, showers, and the like (good luck), maybe you can slide by on $10-15 a day.  Try it out for a long weekend ride and see what it runs you.

I respect what you're doing and agree that if you have the time off, that's often harder to come by than the money.  So do it while you can.  But cyclesafe's point is well taken.  When you do things like dumpster dive, ask for handouts, and get caught guerrilla camping, you can make things less friendly for those who will come after you.  So for them, if not yourself, it is good practice to be self-reliant as much as possible, at a minimum for your food. (This is especially true along well-traveled routes like the transam.)

Anyway, good luck... this sounds like it will be something you won't forget for awhile.


Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: RussellSeaton on April 01, 2007, 02:21:27 pm
Someone wrote:
"eating out of dumpsters and off tables is obviously not for everyone
but i don't consider it immoral so have no problems with it."

And if people go through your trash cans(dumpster) at your house you have no problem with it?  Dumpsters are owned by someone.  Someone is responsible for the trash that gets pulled out of the dumpster.  At a restaurant, the restaurant owner will have to pick up the pulled out trash because he/she does not want his/her restaurant looking trashy and driving customers away.  The restaurant owner would also not like his/her customers seeing people going through the dumpsters because it might cause people to not eat there.  Bizarre notion, I know but it might keep people from the restaurant.  I guess the only people who would not have any problems with digging through dumpsters is the person doing the digging and an internet stranger.

"i have never slept in a drainage ditch though i'm not to proud to if the
need arises."

Please explain where the "need arises"?  The person asking the question is taking a bicycling vacation.  Let me repeat, bicycling vacation.  Vacation being the key word here.  If the person asking the original question does not take the vacation, then the person will have no need to sleep in ditches, or dig in dumpsters, etc.  The person can just stay home and do whatever they are doing now.  Or take day long bike rides and go back home at the end of the day.  Or do multi day rides where you carry all of your food and camping gear or ride to friends/relatives houses.  No need to sleep in ditches that way.

The person who wrote in small letters seems to confuse need and want.  A two month biking vacation is a want.


"i'm not sure what is meant by facilities meant for others."

Probably has to do with using other's property, such as dumpsters, bathrooms, etc. without permission or paying for it.  I'm not sure its stealing per se, but it would be trespassing.


"i don't want to use this space to debate the right or wrong way to travel
with little or no money"

There is nothing wrong, or right, about traveling with little to no money.  But there is something wrong when you CHOOSE, its a vacation, to use other people's property (bathrooms, water hydrants, dumpsters, land) without permission and without buying something there.  Businesses are not in business to provide free public bathrooms.  Most do not complain because the people doing that, I do it occassionally at McDonalds, etc., are potential customers or current customers and do not cause any extra problems.  I've eaten at McDonalds all over the world and still eat there.

 
"let's just say different people have different views and all are valid."

No.  All views are not valid.  Some people think its OK to take the property of others.  Some people think its OK to trespass on other people's property.  Some people think its OK to inconvenience, irritate, etc. others if it pleases them.  I don't think any of these views are valid.

"p.s. why grow up?"

No need to grow up in spirit.  But actions are different.  At certain ages, a person assumes more responsibility, legally and financially for their actions.  If a 3 year old uses a marker to draw a picture the walls of your house, you can forgive that.  If a 6 year old does it, you can still forgive it but not as quickly.  If a 12 year old does it, may have crossed the fine line.  If an 18 year old does it, my knuckles would meet that 18 year olds teeth.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: StephanieP on April 01, 2007, 04:01:10 pm
I haven't actively replied to any specific emails because I haven't felt it necessary to impose my personal viewpoint the way that I feel some posters have. After all, this is the internet. I would, however, like to clarify that I have been vegan for a fabulous five years. I am extremely active as a one who chooses to commute 20 miles on weekdays, rather than waste the gasoline it would take to get to school. The issue, for me, is not whether or not I can survive as a vegan, but, how I might obtain food during the more desolate stretches of Route 66, and what type of food will be available (Namely homegrown restaurants? Fast food joints? Supermarkets?). I find it rather absurd that many posters have brushed off the notion of not eating dairy entirely. As for dumpster diving, as highly debated as it may be, I believe that it is an issue only in a society that is marked by commericalized development, and the need for a stratified enconomy in order to suceed. If we were hunter/gatherers, there would be no need to chastize me for dumpster diving. Provided that I consider myself to be law-obiding, I have no moral opposition to obtaining food as such. Disgusting? Utter waste is disgusting to me (As is Mcdonald's...).  Also, I feel that it is outside the bounds of anyone here to determine whether this is an appropriate instance in my life to take a 'vacation'. As one who had the "pridviledge" of being financially independent for much of my teens, I feel confident in my decision to leave, now, and in my ability to provide for myself whilst on tour, albeit lawfully. Furthermore, as someone who has been fortunate enough at times in my own life to provide for strangers by giving them my leftovers or a place to stay the night, I feel no dignity is lost sharing. In fact, I believe that thriftiness may be a virtue (And thank you, to the poster who linked me with warmshowers!) Yes, it is my choice to travel. And if I am disposed to hospitality of others, I will not feel guilty for it. However, I can say with confidence that I am willing to do it all, myself, if I feel that I am ever compromising the dignity of my companions or of other people. Sleeping on the roadside, stealing? I doubt it. Those roadsides have covered a thousand tracks of people whose land was stolen from under them in order to pave it. Be grateful for what you have, but don't 'other' those who are of a different opinion. Be reasonable in your judgements. I have no intention of humiliating the cyclists who come after me, if they have no intention of judging me for choosing to give freely and live frugally. And please, keep this on topic.

This message was edited by StephanieP on 4-1-07 @ 12:04 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cyclesafe on April 01, 2007, 06:35:57 pm
Like I said, the views of the divers and the non-divers cannot be reconciled.  It's because they are based on different premises.  One choses to sometimes act beyond the bounds of societal norms, the other choses to act strictly within them.

I'm curious how you can square being "law abiding" with the rest of the lunatic-fringe babble about "commercialized development", "stratified enconomy", and "stolen land"? Hunter/gatherers didn't dumpster dive - they became farmers and otherwise built capital the instant that it occurred to them that it was in their best interests to do so.

Go into a gas station convenience store in Illinois and figure out how you're going to make a vegan meal out of what's there.  This represents your selection over vast distances on Route 66 (of what's left of it).  BTW, if Paul is right about Route 66, you might instead consider one of the ACA routes on this web site.




Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Lucky13 on April 01, 2007, 06:37:46 pm
>>As for dumpster diving, as highly debated as it may be, I believe
that it is an issue only in a society that is marked by commericalized
development, and the need for a stratified enconomy in order to
suceed. If we were hunter/gatherers, there would be no need to
chastize me for dumpster diving>>

You're joking, right? Who filled your head with that nonsense? Our
concern over your eating habits while on tour is based on common
sense, not some absurd intellectual ramblings. Cro-Magnon man bit
the dust, so you feel compelled to rummage around in trash cans?

You did ask for general advice, correct? We all wish for you a safe and
positive journey, but eating food from garbage cans is unhealthy and
downright silly. Some of us also feel that sleeping by the side of the
road is an unnecessary risk - regardless of what may have taken place
in the 19th Century.

Are you determined to partake in some sort of bohemian thrill ride -
while wrapped in the banner of political correctness? If so, then by all
means, indulge yourself!
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: DaveB on April 01, 2007, 07:49:37 pm
You have to understand that there is no group of people a naive or as accepting of populous rhetoric as recent college graduates.  They really believe all that philosophical babble they have been exposed to really describes the way things work.  They totally lack personal experience and perspective.  

Give her a break, she will probably grow up sometime. In the meantime let her live out her delusion that she can really change the way people behave.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cyclesafe on April 01, 2007, 08:20:40 pm
I hope she snaps out of it quickly.  If she's as smart as she appears to be, she will be laughing at herself soon enough.  How can any of us not crack up at photographs taken of ourselves when we were in college?  Hey, at least she went to college.  Or if "school" refers to High School, all is explained.

This message was edited by cyclesafe on 4-1-07 @ 4:22 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ptaylor on April 02, 2007, 04:28:11 pm
Steph:

I wish you the best. Please get back ,to us after your trip, and let us all know how it went.

BTW, thanks also for opening one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen on this forum. (I think your reference to 'dumpster diving' charged all of our imaginations)

Paul
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Stalls on April 02, 2007, 09:53:05 pm
"bohemian thrill ride" - I suspect this is what it is. That's not an insult to the original poster. Heck, I want to do the Nothern Tier to try an experience and put to thought how those fur tarppers, fronteirs men of the past must have felt, experienced. This is my way of putting images that I read in many books of that time into reality as best can be done, from my own personnal viewpoint. I've slept on park benches thousand of miles over oceans and lands with very little money and no place to go. In these situations you eat what you can and when you can. You have no choice sometimes. When I do have the choice I will eat a salad over red meat and not use McDonalds etc.  So I don't possibly see the enjoyment of doing it for a vacation, I sence you are seeking a spiritual trip in some form. You have made a decision in 'normal' day to day living to be a vegan, I respect that. But these norms do not apply 40 miles from the nearest shop when you risk possibly your whole bike trip and health due to lack of calories, vitimans etc. Dumster diving for meat is one thing, doing it for a vegan diet is another...most foods are consumed with meat that will have the jucies on the leafs etc. Have you thought of this possibilty, what will be your plan 'B' be in such senarios. We all tour for different reasons, just be safe and well planned and possess the skills to survive in your intend journey. ;)

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: stevep on April 05, 2007, 11:46:53 am
Hey Stephanie-

Thanks for sharing and Im sorry you recieved so much hostility about your views.

There is nothing wrong with dumpster diving, though realize that you will be going through some serious small towns and expect to recieve the same attitude that you have recieved from some folks here. You can camp for free most places, and you can hit up VFDs and similar places for showers.
edit: After thinking a bit, from my dumpstering experience, sometimes it was hit or miss as to the booty. After riding 70-80 miles a day, I dont know if you will have the energy to cruise around town to all the stores, especially if pickin's are slim. Have a back-up plan.


My wife and I did a tour and I was vegetarian and my wife was vegan. It was super hard for her. I made it ok, it wasnt really that hard for me. You have to stick by your guns and realize that a choice like that requires some sacrifice, be ready for it. Whats the point of having morals like that if you put them on hold when it gets hard?
edit: I just talked to my wife and I had forgotten that she started to eat cheese on the tour, fat was hard to come by.

Forget the nay-sayers that tell you to grow up, welfare, blah blah blah, do it. You only live once and you dont need their permission to do it.

I think we did our tour on 10/15 a day.

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: DaveB on April 05, 2007, 09:43:35 pm
You only live once and you dont need their permission to do it.

Of course she doesn't need out "permission" but she did ask our opinions and we shared what we thought.  She is free to accept or reject any advise at her whim.  If you don't want to hear what people think, don't ask.  

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cyclesafe on April 05, 2007, 10:44:15 pm
Plus, where's the hostility?  Dumpster diving is plain stupid, and "hitting up" to secure a "booty" taxes the largess of the locals to the possible detriment of following tourers.  Taking responsibility for oneself is a hallmark of maturity.  Not doing so is the act of a child.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: tofubicycle on April 07, 2007, 01:22:13 am
Stephanie,

I think you know well enough to disregard all of the non-bike touring related commentary you've read so far. I also hope you know to disregard all the condescension.  

I can tell you that I have toured as a vegan and a vegetarian and it can be done. Just like "Vegan Rob" can win solo 24 hour endurance races, any vegan for whom a vegan diet is already working can make the necessary increase in calories to tour. It isn't as convenient as an unlimited diet - but you know that already. Eating vegan *and* dumpstering is likely to prove a bit more difficult and time consuming but if you're adept at both where you live you've likely got the skills to make it work and anyway, there's no harm in trying.

My last bit of advice is for you to pick us the latest issue of Dirt Rag magazine (Issue #127) and refer to the article "Do-It-Yourself Bike Touring". Hell, get back to me with your address and I'll mail you a photocopy. The article focuses on touring advice from  a guy named Nick Lubecki who has toured all over the US and Canada on bikes cobbled together out of spare parts found at various bike co-ops. He covers, albeit briefly, the basics of nutrition, camping, and setting up your rig for DIY trips that likely cost him less than $500 from beginning to end, including gear.

Do what works for you. Be safe and have fun. Feel free to contact me off the list if you like: tofubicycle (at) gmail (dot) com.

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bruno on April 07, 2007, 10:02:36 am
tofu beat me too it, but that article about the dude tourin' on beater bikes and eatin' free pizza and stuff was great! again, don't listen to naysayers! get out there!!!!

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dougstetson on April 07, 2007, 12:06:36 pm
Here's a link to the Dirt Rag article. Pretty interesting. Very encouraging.
http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/article.php?ID=859&category=features

Doug Stetson
San Francisco bound
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Stalls on April 07, 2007, 01:16:17 pm
Naysayers? - Honest folk just giving honest opinions from what I read?

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: StephanieP on April 08, 2007, 07:55:52 pm
Thank you so much for the link to that article. I found it really encouraging! Hoorah, and onward! =)

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: jl_longstaff on April 08, 2007, 08:18:13 pm
Go ahead....take your bicycle tour vacation...do it your way! YOU need a good dose of reality to shake you out of whatever ideology your a currently confused in.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: cara2u on April 09, 2007, 04:44:42 am
Hey Steph, Another interesting org. is Servas,
They are 'An International Host & Traveler Network of Peace Builders"
http://www.usservas.org/
James

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ride29 on April 09, 2007, 12:57:28 pm
Steph...

Here are a couple other groups you might check out:

www.globalfreeloaders.com

www.couchsurfing.com



Daryl Bernard

This message was edited by ride29 on 4-9-07 @ 8:58 AM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: tofubicycle on April 09, 2007, 09:52:37 pm

Quote
jl_longstaff:
YOU need a good dose of reality to shake you out of whatever ideology your a currently confused in.


Comments like this are really quite unnecessary. There is absolutely no need to criticize people on this forum for their lifestyle choices, particularly in such an non-constructive manner.

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ride29 on April 10, 2007, 01:32:30 pm
I agree with tofu...who is anyone to say his or her "reality" is any more valid than someone else's reality. Hell - my reality now is far different than it was 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago...and who am I to say that it won't be different 5, 10, 20, 30 years from now?

Judge not, lest ye be judged!

Daryl Bernard
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: closer on April 10, 2007, 10:40:34 pm
Hi Stephanie,

Congratulations on the trip plan! It is said that travelling is a state of mind and I believe that you have the right state of mind for this endeavour. Being young surely helps, as well!
I too, although not particularly young, enjoy "rough travel" and as this is an "ADVENTURE cycling" website, feel that your trip surely counts as an adventure!
Hmmm, going to be tough to maintain a vegan diet while on the road. It's that whole protein thing...
Well, pack soft coolers and load up on the tofu. If you're finding that your performance is suffering from an incomplete vegan diet, don't sweat it, the trip is more impotant than the food you are eating. If you have to, canned tuna and eggs are pretty cheap to buy.
When you finish the trip, go back a vegan diet, don't feel guilty about the diet change and LOVE how you are going to be changed by this trip and the great stories that you will be telling friends and loved ones, for a long, long time.

Best regards,

Art

Closer to Free
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: John Nettles on April 14, 2007, 03:58:25 pm
Well this has been an interesting discussion.

Not being a vegan, I can't realistically comment on cost/ease/etc. of obtaining food/etc. except that in the southwest (SW Missouri thru central NM), people do like their meat.  A lot of the small towns you will be going thru will not look kindly on people dumster diving (not judging, just giving the local mentality) and you may very well be hassled out of town by the local PD if found out.  They in turn will probably notify the next town to look out for you.  Again, while not judging, you WILL be looked on as a vagrant/bum, not as someone chosing to spend their money differently.

As anyone who is toured long distance, you will be asked the same questions over and over.  One will be how/waht do you eat.  In this (southwest) part of the country, it would be in your interest to avoid talking about dumstering.

As far as camping, if you ask the local PD/church/park dept. you can usually camp for free or a couple of bucks IF there is not a commercial campground nearby.  There are not that many places in the country to hide during daylight hours and do not be suprised to be awoken by someone pointing a shotgun at you telling you to get off their land NOW.  Asking for permission is usually better here than asking for forgiveness when dealing with someone's land in theis part of the country.  Cattle rustling is still very active and occasionally people are shot while passing thru on someone's land so be careful.

As someone mentioned earlier, stopping and asking someone if there is anywhere nearby to camp inexpensively may result in an invitation to stay at their house.  The problem is that if you have not showered recently and look a bit scruffy :) those invitations will be much harder to come by.

I know this sounds negative but it is meant to give a fairly realistic outlook of what you can expect in this part of the country.  I wish you the best of times to you on your journey!


Happy trails and may the wind be at your back!

TulsaJohn
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: jl_longstaff on April 14, 2007, 06:58:18 pm
Would you rather see her injured, molested, or even dead? Been in the world awhile, lost a relative who did pretty much the same thing.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: tofubicycle on April 14, 2007, 11:58:17 pm

Quote

Would you rather see her injured, molested, or even dead? Been in the world awhile, lost a relative who did pretty much the same thing.


Your original post contained no expression of concern nor offered any advice. My point was simply that such a post is unnecessary and possibly inappropriate.  

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Dan_E_Boye on April 15, 2007, 04:39:37 pm
Enough with the sensitivity nazi crap already.  If someone says they're planning to ride across the country and live on garbage you have to expect people are going to think it's a bad idea.  

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: jl_longstaff on April 16, 2007, 08:51:50 pm
tofu....I think your point is unnecessary and inappropiate!  

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: ride29 on April 16, 2007, 10:49:57 pm
jl...just curious...how do you make the leap from this:

"Go ahead....take your bicycle tour vacation...do it your way! YOU need a good dose of reality to shake you out of whatever ideology your a currently confused in."

to this:

"Would you rather see her injured, molested, or even dead?"

I guess I don't see the connection between your two comments. Now she might end up molested or dead? So females shouldn't do bike tours? I not sure what your point is.
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on April 17, 2007, 03:09:14 am
Well, SP - let me ask several questions and than I'll make my
comments.
What's your riding experience?  What's the longest day's ride?  Do you
have a bike?  Have you spent time on city streets in traffic?  What about
out in the country?  How frequently have you ridden?  What gear do you
have?  Can you change a tube?   Can you patch a tube?  Do you know
what to do if you blow out a tire?  Drop a chain?  Break a chain?

And your bike.  What are you riding - a hybrid, road, mountain.  
Cyclocross or touring?

If you haven't a clue on any or all those questions, find out quickly how
to deal with such minor mishaps.

If you peanutbutter and jelly/honey and fruit you probably can go quite
a distance on that diet.  You might be malnourished by the time you hit
Arizona, but I think you can handle it.

Now.  Rt 66 - The Mother Road.  I traveled, actually drove on it from
Chicago to Az where I headed up to Las Vegas, NV.  That'll give you a
clue to my age.

I also would like to make that ride.  In fact, New Mexico does have a Rt
66 ride.

A couple of years ago I drove from Long Beach, CA down to Lake
Havasu, AZ.  Every now and then I would see signs that said, "Rt. 66".  
And there it was, mostly dirt or broken pavement.  Many times
separated from the interstate by barbwire or a fence.

So, as to your bike.  Make sure it can handle at least 28 mm wide tires.  
That'll get you over the hard pack, and if you find you have to get up
on the interstate, they might help in preventing tire troubles.  
Interstates are not clean places to ride bikes.

If you're flexible, you might get a set of maps from Adventure Cycling
for their Southern Route.  Don't exactly how it goes, but the route
might have better roads that 66.

Your trip sounds exciting.  Wish I could do it with you.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: jl_longstaff on April 17, 2007, 10:22:03 pm
Lets make it easy. Dumpster diving, stealth camping, sleeping wherever is not conducive to good health or safety.  Females are obviously more vunerable, how many men are raped, or otherwise molested by females?
We had a female, college educated, "idealogue" who vanashed. Yes we had some info, arrested as a vagrant, hospitalized after being beaten, probable rape, (police report) other law enforcement encounters etc.
No resolution to her disapearance; presumed dead. No one could talk sense to her, now, no one can talk to her.  Maybe if we had really chewed her out, (reason and common sense didn't work); maybe if she was forbidden to go; maybe.......

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: StephanieP on April 18, 2007, 02:35:57 am
Alright, kiddo. I was biting my tongue. Telling me I'll be molested and left for dead are presumptuous thoughts. This, though--"Females are obviously more vunerable, how many men are raped, or otherwise molested by females? "--is not only disgusting and ignorant; it is completely unrelated and UNCALLED for in this forum. The reason women are RAPED is because men REFUSE to take responsibility for their own actions. Not because women are irresponsible! By posting this, I feel that you have exhibited the kind of casual disregard that is the inherent CAUSE for violence against women. This is not the tone of a concerned peer (And, though many replies have been ill-communicated I believe that most are with good intention). It is the voice of someone so naive that they cannot see the harm in their own dense opinions.
Please take your sexist attitude elsewhere. Let's keep this adventure & bicycle-related.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on April 18, 2007, 06:13:09 pm
Right, StephanieP,

See my posting on the 16th,

Lots of people make that ride.  I wouldn't unless I had support.  
However, I'm not whatever age you are.

Personally I think there's more danger being run down by some
careless driver than all the other hazzards possited here.

What I suggested above comes from not only becoming a rider at my
age, but also training others to ride over the past several years.

centrider

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: jl_longstaff on April 18, 2007, 06:49:48 pm
I've heard it before.  It didn't work on her either.  It's not presumptious. There are possibilities and probabilities; the possibilities of being molested etc. are slim, but the concequencies are irreversable, and to some, myself included, out weigh the risks.  Most men do take responsability for their actions,  Rapists don't care about the result of their actions and don't see their victims as people. Women are not raped because they are irresponsable, but because they become a target of opportunity for someone bent on mayhem.  I never implied they are raped because they are irresponsable.  Taking precautions and not putting oneself in perilous situations is only common sense. However the unexpected cannot be planned for.  What if? Is a question one should apply to many situations. Distraction,and fatigue leave many in jeopardy. Your plans imply that you intend to dumpster dive, sleep/camp as opportunity presents.  Post as you go along, keep in touch with your family, and make law enforcement, and/or other responsable people aware of you presence.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: boonebikeguy on May 03, 2007, 02:39:56 pm
Wow I see I division between people who are responsible and people who do not give a crap. I am SAVING my money now to ride in August. I have told my boss that I will be gone for two months at least. I would never eat out of a dumpster. I respect peoples land and property enough not to crap on their land and 'stealth camp'. But other people do nt care or respect other people and that is clear from s few responses here.
Stephanie,
I respect your desire to ride, but ask yourself some basic questions:

What happens if I get hurt real bad? Do I even have enough money to eat and recover once I get OUT of the hospital? Can I have a place to stay ? Buy  bus ticket if worse comes to worse? Will I have my hand out and expect others to foot the bill?

SOrry but I don't respect cyclists that just don't give a sh*t about others and think ONLY of themselves. With riding comes responsibility. You cannot view this as something everyone else needs to support and then lower your standards to eat out of trash cans etc.. If you respect yourself then you will prepare for this. And there is never a "LAST CHANCE TO DO THIS" scenario. Infact if you are committed you will find ways to do exactly what you want, it is called drive and work ethic. I would respect you much more if you worked a crap job all summer saved money up and then next summer or in the fall or whenever, did your ride for as long as you wanted and had money to support yourself. So whatever. I mean you and others here can judge me but you know something? I payed for a patron membership here for a reason and I am going to ride across this nation for a cause as well as for my enjoyment. I will also hjave money and resopurce to address almost any contingency. Others here obiovusly do not do this and simply don't care what their actions do to others nor respect others enough to be self-reliant and respectful to others property and land. This is why people hate cyclist much of the time, because a few bad apples. Now I am not sayin anyone here in specific does this and I apologize in advance for any insultes precieved from thiss, but riding responsibally is the best route. The people others talk about are the kind of people that trash camp-sites when they 'stealth' camp leave pollution like feces urine and garbage behind bath with chemicles in prisitne lakes, ruin eco-systems on a  small scale by intruding where they are not premitted and then tell people they LOOOVE mother earth. Nothing could be further from the truth. You should consider what you want and plan. Nothing good comes from a lack of planning.

I expect flames in response but do not care. What I have said is true.

Ride well and ride safe.

Nothing worthwile is cheap or easy.


"Love is a river where crazy people drown"--Kyrgyz proverb
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: boonebikeguy on May 03, 2007, 02:46:40 pm


"Love is a river where crazy people drown"--Kyrgyz proverb

This message was edited by boonebikeguy on 5-3-07 @ 11:17 AM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: boonebikeguy on May 03, 2007, 02:52:31 pm
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Peace.

"Love is a river where crazy people drown"--Kyrgyz proverb

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dmw4322 on May 03, 2007, 08:58:24 pm
not this thread again.

look, in the last aca newsletter there is a link to the dirtrag article
about the guy who eats out of dumpsters. aparently aca (the host of
this forum) aproves of that style of traveling so if you are morally at
odds with it you might do better posting somewhere else.

people get so extreme on these forums. crapping in peoples yards? i'm
not sure anyone is suggesting that. you make it sound like people are
seting up camp in you front yard and digging through your garbage
cans for dinner and then using your porch for a toliet. that's not how
this type of travelling works. it's called stealth camping for a reason.
it's usually done in a rual setting, far from any residence, and no trace
is left. as far as dumpstering, it's done in commercail dumpsters, not
residental trash cans. you don't dig through trash to eat exposed food
and you don't leave trash scattered all over the place and you don't do
it in front of people eating dinner. you look for expired products,
dented cans, cans without labels, etc. and you don't harm anyone or
anything in the process.

best wishes, doug

This message was edited by dmw4322 on 5-3-07 @ 4:59 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on May 03, 2007, 09:23:38 pm
Yeah!  I agree.

Several months ago my club had a speaker who rode a Trek road bike
from the East Coast to Cal carrying everything in 2 behind-the-seat
water bottles and something wraped around his top tube.  X-treme
touring I think he called it.

Not something I would do.  I think that's become our measure.  What
would I do?  But, than it's taken to the extreme - murder, rape,
disease, crapping in yards, etc.

Tsk, tsk

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: boonebikeguy on May 03, 2007, 11:40:01 pm
whatever, I did not see the date clearly and said what I said. Don't like it then too bad. All I suggested was to do it responsiblly not without planning. As for the assertion I 'need to post somewhere else'. I think you know what you can do with that comment. If not feel free to ask for directions as to where you can place it Doug. Claro?
I came here not to embroil myself in drama just to join a group intrested in cycling, and specifically across this nation. I guess some people feel this should be done diffrently, that is their right. Speaking on behalf of ACA is pretty big shoes to fill Doug. I am new here so I assume you speak on behalf of that organization. I am simply a member of that organization, and I would never speak on behalf of it unless I knew I was right, that would make me look foolish.

As for the extreme touring, I don't have any problems with that, but I have met individuals who are supposedly self-reliant etc.. that fit the mould of the type of people you find begging and dupmster diving basically. I just think being responsible and acting so is the best route, wether you Doug or Centrider believe it or not your actions affect others. Diving in dumpsters is pretty risky, if you were to be infected with some disease you then beome a carrier etc.. camping on peoples property without permission or so-called 'stealth' camping again is not cool or very nice. People have to use the bathroom and bathe if they use somones property without permission they can spoil any number of things by leaving 'no trace' in the form of excrement urine, and the chance of being shot by a farmer that does not know WHY some stranger has invaded his property is really an attractive notion isn't it? etc.. So again if that is what you want to do go for it, but it is highly uncool disrespectful and falls short of being a responsible rider, that's all. If commenting on peoples inability to plan something through is extreme? then what in the hell do you call dumpster diving and HOPING to make it? Normal? ANyway, you guys are not worth my time. I posted my threads, if people want to join me on a RAAM that is well planned and without dumpster diving and invading peoples property then they can contact me. I'll use whatever I like at the forums and post whatever I like. I don't care what you two think to be honest. I joined AC and this forum to do something positive, not to ride at others expenses or barely survive a ride because I did not plan it well.

 I won't post on this thread again, I apologize for it, I did not understand how old it was, now I am familiar with the dates etc.. I'll just bear this in mind next time.As for the article...who cares. I don't think the organization AC is coming out and advocating that, it was just an article in their publication, if that was true then a story about a car-bombing in Baghdad means newsweek suopports car-bombings, so maybe you better think about what you tell other members about posting somewhere else Doug, OR just keep your post to yourself and ignore me.  I can't believe I had to write three paragraphs  to explain myself to someone whos first post to me was to tell me to go  somewhere else, so Doug just plan on me ignoring anything else you have to say. Oh and hi.

"Love is a river where crazy people drown"--Kyrgyz proverb
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dmw4322 on May 04, 2007, 12:02:21 am
sorry boone, i didn't mean to provoke such hostility from you. my post
was meant for everyone coming down so hard on the op, not just you. all
of the preaching and extreme views just make me need to vent at times. i
respect everyones opinions and hope you keep posting here. but if you
start your post by describing people you've never met as not giving a crap
about others you are going to get a heated response.
in kindness, doug

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: boonebikeguy on May 04, 2007, 12:25:19 am
? My apologies as well Doug. I really just came here for advice. I raced my whole life outside of working, the ONLY tours I ever did poutside of racing was a ride from Texas to Missourri. But you see we had a support van money...etc.. not an adventure by the standards of some of the veteran riders here. I joined as a paid member to gain insight advice and resources. I never came to heat people up or make anyone angry..and I can be harsh in criticisms so again I apologize. Look if you have something to tell me then feel free to visit the threads I make . I really could use any advice from people that have done this more than once or once and know what's up. Ok?

I didn't come here to be offensive or make enemies.

"Love is a river where crazy people drown"--Kyrgyz proverb
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: dmw4322 on May 04, 2007, 01:08:26 am
apology accepted.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on May 04, 2007, 01:45:53 am
I hope I'm not preachy.  We've all (I think) have done touring.  I've never
done a self-contained.  Others have done nothing but.

I my problem is that I don't know what, "stealth" camping is.  It sounds
sinsister.  However, if it means camping in such a way as to leave no
trace - nothing wrong with that.

Racing RAAM you have your facilities with you.  Touring with SAG - you
don't.  If you can wait for the next toilet you will - if you can't, you use
the "green" room.

Personally, I was disheartened by the over-the-top portrayal of
possibilities.  Tho I do agree that dumptser diving has its health risks.  
There's another possibility that,  in some communities of being
arrested for vagrancy.

Right I just looked at her starting date.  Maybe the next post from her
will be that she had a great time.

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bobbirob22 on December 24, 2008, 05:38:33 pm
hi stephanie, i read your post today while browsing adventure cyclings archives and am curious, did you make the trip? please let us know. i am planning a very low budget tour from kentucky to los angeles  california and am considering taking route 66. any tips or pointers you could pass along would be much appreciated. thanks...

ROBERT

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: scott.laughlin on December 24, 2008, 06:19:15 pm
Staphanie,

Memories are made from beating the odds.  Do it.














Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on December 24, 2008, 06:28:00 pm
I too am curious how your cross country (ChiTown-LA) went.

But I have a question for bobbirob22 (the one from Ky).  I'm considering riding the UGRR from Owensboro, Ky thru Ky, Indiana, Oh, Pa, NY and finally into Owen Sound, On., Canada.

So, what's it like riding in Ky?  In May.

This message was edited by centrider on 12-24-08 @ 3:29 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bobbirob22 on December 24, 2008, 07:30:03 pm
centrider,, kentucky has poor riding conditions due to lack of sidewalks  and bike paths. going down ky highways can be downright dangerous because of careless drivers and many semi trucks not to mention pot holes and other obstacles you might encounter.  while riding in kentucky, i usually take the grassy area beside the road rather than the road itself due to high traffic but i prefer to be out of the way of motorists. in the years ive ridden in kentucky, drivers can get very aggressive towards a bicyclist if they are "slowing traffic" and start yelling, cursing and throwing things at you especially if they feel like you are "in their way" which is why i ride the grassy areas instead of the road. however, in recent years kentucky has began to improve with installations of sidewalks and bike paths. im not  real familliar  with owensboro or any of northern kentucky, maybe they have better and safer riding conditions than we do here in bowling green kentucky, wish I could help you more. good luck and may the wind be at your back...

ps, in may the weather is always changing from storm systems to partly cloudy to clear and calm, but other than that, it is a beatifull time of year to ride through kentucky.

ROBERT

This message was edited by bobbirob22 on 12-24-08 @ 4:34 PM
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: staehpj1 on December 25, 2008, 09:41:20 am
I think this trip was supposed to be in the Spring of 2007, so it is likely she isn't following this anymore.  I also am curious if anyone knows whether she went and how it worked out.  

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Westinghouse on December 27, 2008, 09:21:24 am
I was wondering the same thing. Whatever happened? I have always tried to keep my touring expences down by stealth camping, and using less expensive motels, but I have never taken to going through supermarket dumpsters for food. My only sources of food have always been food stores and restaurants. I would never sleep along the side of the road. However, they can do their tour any way they want.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bobbirob22 on December 27, 2008, 05:24:51 pm
i just checked her profile and it says that her email is disabled... so we may never hear from her, oh well..

ROBERT
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: Westinghouse on January 01, 2009, 01:50:12 pm
Oh well. Sleeping alonside the road and eating out of supermarket dumpsters is, in my opinion, not the way to get things done. I camp in the woods, stay in motels, and eat from food stores, front door entry, and restaurants. However, I hear they throw away perfectly good food from supermarkets. Be that as it may, if I had to rely on that for touring, I would just stay home.

Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: staehpj1 on January 01, 2009, 02:10:41 pm
Robert,

I am really puzzled by your comments about Kentucky.  That was definitely not my experience.  The conditions are better than my area in Maryland and I consider that a good place for riding.  The roads were fine except for the visibility being short due to trees and twisty roads in some of the rural areas.  The drivers were generally quite courteous.  We enjoyed our ride through there when doing the Trans America.  And another time that I visited I did a good bit of riding and thought both the roads and the drivers were fine.  I didn't find the roads all that much different than many other places we rode, but since most of the state is fairly rural traffic was typically very light, at least compared to more developed areas.

The drivers were more timid about passing us than many other places and since there weren't shoulders on the rural roads we were on we sometimes had to pull over when people refused to pass after we tried to wave them around a couple times.

There were a lot of dogs loose and we were chased multiple times every day.  That was the biggest drawback, but it wasn't a huge deal.

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Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bobbirob22 on January 01, 2009, 05:54:09 pm
staehpj1  our experiences differ a lot, i guess its just a matter of when and where you ride in kentucky as to the experience you will have. im not trying to scare or mislead anyone from riding in kentucky. kentucky has beautifull scenery and is a wonderfull place to bike through but at times it can get downright mean on the highways of kentucky. just my experience. im not saying its like that all the time, most of the time ive had rather pleasant rides on these streets but on occasion i come across that one pissed off motorist in a hurry to get 5 miles down the road and when they get behind you they start honking, yelling, and yes even cursing at you before you have a chance to move off the road to let them by and every once in a while i have had drivers toss beer bottles, cups full of liquid, and even food at me when they pass. you may have a pleasant trip one time and the next a not so pleasant trip. just depends on when and where, sort of like being in the wrong place in the wrong time like i always seem to be. ive lived in kentucky all of my life and it has always been like this, at least where i live (bowling green). just letting others know that it is a possibility while riding in kentucky or anywhere else for that matter to be hassled by motorists.

ROBERT
Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: centrider on January 01, 2009, 07:21:02 pm
Well, all comments and insights are welcomed.  Twisty roads with short sight lines are a problem, as are blind right curves.  That's why I ride without my iPod. Even with my attenuated hearing, I can usually hear something coming if I can't see them.

I've ridden in Maryland - a lot, usually the E. Shore and I think no finer roads anywhere on the continent.

Dogs can be a problem because they generate the fight or flight response:  Lots of adrenalin pumped leaving me feeling like a dishrag.

I've only had one item thrown at me - an orange (what else, this is Calif.).

Anyone else with info riding in Ky?  



Title: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: staehpj1 on January 01, 2009, 07:54:12 pm
Robert,

Yes our experiences are quite different.  It makes me wonder if Bowling Green is that much different from the parts of Kentucky where I have ridden.  Given that it isn't a major metropolitan area and that we rode not all that far from there I am guessing that the difference is probably mostly in our respective expectations.

My experiences there indicates that Kentucky is a very nice state to ride in, better than some and worse than others.  Strangely the closest we had to a problem with drivers was that some of the drivers were excessively timid about passing.  We rode across the state (5 days) and it was not substantially different from Missouri before it or Virginia after.

You commented that "kentucky has poor riding conditions due to lack of sidewalks and bike paths".  For what it is worth I never ride on sidewalks and mostly avoid bike paths where possible when on tour.  There are a few exceptions on the bike paths (there was a great one near Breckenridge Colorado for example).  I have to say that if you consider Kentucky a poor place to ride for the reasons you stated that you might feel the same about every state we rode in as we crossed the US.  I advise that you either get used to riding on roads with no shoulder or pick your touring routes very carefully.

For other riders who read this I would say don't worry much about Kentucky beyond being ready to deal with loose dogs.

Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: sanuk on May 08, 2010, 01:55:03 am
Much of the above aside, I'm also trying to estimate the costs of a possible couple of months on the road in the Western USA - WA, OR and maybe CA too.  I don't live in the US so don't really have a feel for daily costs of living.  I'm not an idealist, a purist, or a hobo - well, my niece thinks I am but what does a Paris Hilton wannabe know?   However, as it happens I am a vegetarian - well, sort of as I do eat fish.  On this subject it might be worth checking out the website and/or book by the Scotsman cyclist Mark Beaumont - The Man Who Cycled the World.  He holds the world record for that and was a vegetarian until he hit the Middle East.  He was on a 6,000 calorie per day diet so had to adapt.  He also more recently did the Alaska to the bottom of South America route.  Not many vegetarians in S.America I'd guess, but he survived and even slept in bus shelters and by the side of the road too when he had to.
But I'm not trying to emulate him.  Don't have the muscles or sponsors anyway, so it's all self financed.  However, after the costs of my flight and buying the gear I'll need I'd like to keep my travelling expenses below $50 a day.  Does that sound do-able including perhaps a camp site with showers?  On that topic, how much do US campsites cost on average for cyclists.
Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: JHamelman on May 10, 2010, 08:14:07 am
However, after the costs of my flight and buying the gear I'll need I'd like to keep my travelling expenses below $50 a day.  Does that sound do-able including perhaps a camp site with showers?  On that topic, how much do US campsites cost on average for cyclists.

Sounds doable. You might want to read the Bike Touring 101 article on our How To page (http://www.adventurecycling.org/features/howto.cfm (http://www.adventurecycling.org/features/howto.cfm)) for other tips and thoughts on cost.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: bicyclerider on May 10, 2010, 11:33:07 am
Just go and have fun. I'm out here looking for work and on the road pedaling across the USA. Currently in Phoenix trying to contact Habitat for humanity to volunteer at location's across the usa.
If anyone has any email contacts please post it here.
Jean Andre Vallery
Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: staehpj1 on May 10, 2010, 12:23:35 pm
However, after the costs of my flight and buying the gear I'll need I'd like to keep my travelling expenses below $50 a day.  Does that sound do-able including perhaps a camp site with showers?  On that topic, how much do US campsites cost on average for cyclists.
I don't know how frugal you are or how resourceful at finding sites to camp, but $50 per days sounds like a lot of money to me.  I don't think I ever approached that even when I included several motel stays on my 10 day tour last spring and ate a lot or restaurant meals.

On the Trans America I averaged a lot less.

I don't often buy alcoholic beverages and eat mostly simple meals, but don't pinch every penny either.  My guess is that you can probably do just fine on $50 a day and not feel a financial pinch at all.
Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: rvklassen on May 10, 2010, 03:50:47 pm
However, after the costs of my flight and buying the gear I'll need I'd like to keep my travelling expenses below $50 a day.  Does that sound do-able including perhaps a camp site with showers?  On that topic, how much do US campsites cost on average for cyclists.
$50 per day sounds tight to me - for two people  ;D

Of course it depends on whether you buy your food served on a plate or as ingredients to cook/combine.  Cooking for yourself, you can generally (although not always) do pretty well on $10 per day.  As for campsites, $30 is at the expensive end: you might get stuck with paying that once or twice;  hiker/biker sites, are less than $20, sometimes as low as $5-ish.  Occasionally you find a place where you can stay free (ACA maps tend to indicate them).    With a $50/day budget you might be able to hole up in an inexpensive motel once in a while, and eat out from time to time.
Title: Re: Eating and spending on a two month biking spree
Post by: staehpj1 on May 10, 2010, 07:11:09 pm
Occasionally you find a place where you can stay free (ACA maps tend to indicate them).
Depending on where you will be you can probably stay for free more than occasionally.   On the TA we stayed free about half the time and quite often paid less than $10 when we did pay (over a 73 day period).  Last Spring I never paid for a site on my 10 day tour, but did stay in $40 motel rooms several times.

Most small town parks are fine.  In the west if there are no signs that say it is prohibited I usually set up near the picnic pavilion.  Asking around in small towns will usually result is a spot to camp.  If there are police I ask them.  If there is a store clerk available, I ask if they think I will be run off (rather than actually asking permission).  I try to set up early so if I am going to get kicked out it will be early enough to find another spot.  I have not been run off yet.

It may be harder in the east, but in much of the west it is usually pretty easy to find a free spot to pitch a tent for the night.  At least that has been the case for me so far.