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Title: Kick Stands
Post by: toetheline on November 08, 2007, 01:35:31 am
I just bought a new touring bike today.  All I can think about is all the cool and necessary accessories I need to get.
I want to buy a kick stand that can support a loaded bike.
If there is one you really like, let me know and where to buy it.
Thanks

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: ptaylor on November 08, 2007, 10:41:39 am
I think a kickstand is a great accessory for loaded touring.

My only advice is that you get a rear-stay mount kickstand - not the more common type that mounts just behind the bottom bracket. These look rather ungainly, but are much more sturdy. If you have oversize tubes, be sure your new stand will accommodate them.

Paul
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2007, 02:11:15 pm
I'm all for them.  I use a double legged type and it works very well when I'm towing my BoB trailer.  However it is one more item you have to keep tight so check often.

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: jimbeard on November 08, 2007, 05:58:46 pm
Same as Badger my favorite is esge/pletscher double legged. Available at Harris and other places.
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/accessories.html#kickstands

Jim
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: Badger on November 08, 2007, 06:58:29 pm
Jim Beard did you shorten the legs on your esge?  I saw this on another forum.  I just put mine on and never thought about cutting them down any. thanks JimB

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: driftlessregion on November 09, 2007, 11:03:48 pm
Check out this foldable kickstand: http://www.click-stand.com.

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: roadrunner on November 12, 2007, 12:57:57 am
I've seen several touring bikes equipped with the rear-mounted Greenfield kickstand.  While looking for one on the following website:

http://biketrailershop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=113

I saw the suggestion for mounting the kickstand on the BoB trailer.  I tried that on a tour last month and it worked great (best with the front wheel turned to the right).  It was nice not to have to find a 10-foot wall to lean the bike & trailer against or having to lay the bike down along the road when taking breaks in treeless Kansas.

The site also has the double-leg kickstand.

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: ptaylor on November 12, 2007, 03:15:47 pm
Jim & Drift.

Thanks for your input. I can't use the rear-stay kickstand because my touring bike is a Cannondale with oversize aluminum tubes.

I've never seen one of the double legged kickstands - have only seen them on the Internet. I don't understand how they work. Do both legs go down/up with a single kick, or do you need to kick down the left side, then walk around the bike and kick down the right side?

Two folks I recently toured with had the Greenfield rear-stay set-up an d I was very envious.

Paul
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: jimbeard on November 12, 2007, 11:31:37 pm
JimB- Yes i did shorten the legs on my ESGE.
There are markers on both legs . I read where someone cut legs too short so i cut and checked then cut again.
Be careful to keep both sides the same .

Jim
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: jimbeard on November 12, 2007, 11:58:09 pm
PTalyor?"Do both legs go down/up with a single kick, or do you need to kick down the left side ".
ANS.Pick up on seat or whatever so stand is clear from ground ,kick back on left leg, both legs move up under left chain stay with a single kick just like a normal kickstand.  
 :confuse:Then say how the hell did it do that. :)
Here is picture of one folded  on craigslist if it is still up no pun intended.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/476111153.html
Just found a better photo.
http://storm.ca/~eric/triplogs/gear/kickstand.html
Jim

This message was edited by jimbeard on 11-12-07 @ 8:11 PM
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: biker_james on November 13, 2007, 07:51:33 am

Thanks for your input. I can't use the rear-stay kickstand because my touring bike is a Cannondale with oversize aluminum tubes.
I think you will find that Cannondale recommends using the kickstands that mount to the rear triangle, not behind the bottom bracket. It is getting hard to find decent quality kickstands that work wtih the big tubes of the Cannndale, but they do still exist.
I have contacted Cannondale about putting a kickstand on behind the BB, and they said not too. Personally, I think that it looks like a pretty sturdy bridge between the chaninstays that looks like it was made for a kickstand.

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: jimbeard on November 13, 2007, 10:06:40 am
Bikerjames -My ESGE is mounted on a 1998 Cannondale   T1000 .
 What reason does Cannondale give for discouraging the use of behind bottom bracket kickstand ?
I can see how overtightening could damage the tubing .

Jim
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: ptaylor on November 13, 2007, 03:50:43 pm
Thanks Jim. I'm gonna get a 2-legged kickstand! Sounds perfect.

Paul
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: biker_james on November 15, 2007, 08:23:39 am
 The rear stay kickstand is best. The bridge style can cause frame damage.
  Mark Schlossnagle
Tech ServiceCannondale Bicycle Corporation172 Friendship Village RoadBedford, PA 15522Direct: 800-726-2453 Fax: 800-429-8464 Visit us online.Cannondale. feel it!

 [mailto:biker_james@hotmail.com]Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 7:22 AMTo: custservSubject: Kickstands   The original kickstand on my Cannondale T800 (year 2000) has packed it in. I am aware that conventional wisdom says you have to use the rear stay mounterd kickstand, but I am wondering if a kickstand can safely be mounted to the "bridge" between the chainstays, as it seems to be sturdy, and looks like it was built for a kickstand.

Title: Kick Stands
Post by: jimbeard on November 18, 2007, 11:10:37 am
 Thanks bikerJames This Cannondale recommendation  does concern me .  Wonder if it is a cover my butt statement ?
Anyway found this about Surly bikes
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=240314

Jim
Title: Kick Stands
Post by: Badger on November 19, 2007, 06:05:56 pm
I have had a kick stand on and off my 2001 t2000 Cannondale and have never notice any problem with the frame.  I have always mounted on the bridge that was mentioned.  I'll probably continue doing so.

Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: nobachi2000 on September 23, 2009, 12:53:16 am
Interesting.
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: nobachi2000 on September 23, 2009, 01:00:40 am
Is there another type of kickstand that I can put on my GT Outpost 24 speed with disk brakes. My lower axel bar is smaller where the disk brake is located and increases in size toward the pedal.  When I moved it away from the rear axel I hit the kickstand with my heel.
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: Tourista829 on October 17, 2009, 02:20:36 am
I would think by now you have a kickstand. I use a two legged Pletsher on my touring bike. I like it because it is very stable with either panniers or my trailer. The key to any kick stand is a $.75 cent rubber tip. I use two and they keep the bike stable and prevent slipping on hills. I keep a couple of spares with me, for when they wear out. Best $1.50 I have ever spent.
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: dwnptrl_777 on November 22, 2009, 12:04:13 pm
I have a Hebie 2-legged kickstand for my LHT. Steel version. I installed it and it worked great. A couple weeks later Surly posted a blog entry warning against crushing the chainstays with aftermarket kickstands that clamp to the stays.

I love my LHT—and it needs to take me 'cross the US next summer, so, out of paranoia, I decided to not use the Hebie on  my LHT.

One fine, overbuilt (but wonderfully simple) Hebie kickstand for sale if anyone's interested. BTW, they're hard if not impossible to get in the US. I had to ship this from SJS Cycles in the UK.

Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: BrianW on January 08, 2010, 01:50:01 pm
I use the Esge twin-legged kickstand on both my tandem and triplet, and they have held up well even under heavy touring loads (i.e., weight of a tandem + panniers and stuff). I think they are indispensable. Another really nice aspect of using one is it serves as a built-in workstand, allowing you to adjust the drivetrain, rear brake, etc., very easily.

I think the Hebie (sp?) two-legged stands are heavier than the Esge, BTW.

I once bought a new Esge stand and cut it down. I measured at least three times and cut it carefully. Don't know how I screwed up, but it ended up way too short. So, be careful! The old "measure twice, cut once" concept failed me on that one.

For those traveling to Europe, Esge two-legged stands can be had for about 25 euros, at least in German bike shops. In the USA they go for $45+ (which is about right, given the exchange rate).

On my tandem I had Stephen Bilenky weld a custom kickstand bracket behind the BB for the Esge. Well worth the $100 or so he charged. I'm going to have him do it for my new triplet, too. On my Cannondale single touring bike I use the area behind the BB to mount the kickstand. It looks to me like it was designed for mounting a kickstands (a big flat area with a hole in the middle), so I'm surprised they warn against it. Most of their hybrid/trekking bikes sold in Europe come with kickstands.
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: Tourista829 on January 11, 2010, 07:45:13 pm
dwnptrl_777, if still available, I may be interested in the Hebie. LOL How much do you want for it? Pls advise. Thanks Bob
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: mucknort on January 18, 2010, 12:07:11 pm
Check out this foldable kickstand: http://www.click-stand.com.

Jeepers, all the above posters seemed to have skipped right over this post and went on to discussing rear mount, twin-legged, hacksawing, etc. I guess "driftlessregion" didn't post with enough hype, so I will. I just bought one and it is terrific. Super stable (because it connects with the top tube and makes your bike into a tripod), very light, holds a fully loaded bike and/or bike with trailer rock solid, reasonably priced (starts at $25 before options). I highly recommend it!

Clickstand http://www.click-stand.com
Title: Re: Kick Stands
Post by: dwnptrl_777 on January 24, 2010, 07:11:03 pm
Do we have to manually subscribe to topics in which we post? If so, a little frustrating.  >:(

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Anyway, sorry for the delayed response (due to above issue), but I've sold the Hebie.