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Title: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Aloha_Cyclist on February 16, 2009, 09:41:41 pm
I recently purchased a Surly Long Haul Trucker and I'm outfitting it for a Trans America ride this summer. Is it worth getting a kick stand, just wondering if this simple option is justifiable to consider for a long tour?
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: tri girl on February 16, 2009, 10:28:18 pm
I think it's just a matter of personal preference.  I know people who like it one way or the other.

I can't speak for using a kickstand on a long tour, but on the short weekend and week long tours I've done I've really liked my kickstand.  It makes it a lot easier to stand it up rather than always looking for something to lean it against.  And for me- weight isn't an issue- what's another .5 lb when I'm already lugging around 40?
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: geegee on February 17, 2009, 12:44:14 am
I have one of these double kickstands and they are great:
http://www.biketrailershop.com/catalog/270-esge-double-kickstand-p-53.html?gclid=CKaBsq3p4pgCFREhDQodlQ_Hcg (http://www.biketrailershop.com/catalog/270-esge-double-kickstand-p-53.html?gclid=CKaBsq3p4pgCFREhDQodlQ_Hcg)

They are particularly useful when you have to change a flat tire since the bike can stand up with only one wheel on. It is also great for fine tuning your shifting/derailleurs as you can lift and spin the rear wheel easily by tipping the bike forward. It's almost like having a repair stand on the road.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: whittierider on February 17, 2009, 04:36:31 am
The Surly LHT may indeed be made for a kickstand, seeing as what kind of application it's designed for, but it would be good to check anyway unless you're absolutely sure already.  Most of the modern road bikes, including thin-walled steel ones, are not made to handle the clamping pressures of a kickstand down there, and you could badly damage the frame when you put the stand on, before you even use it.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: biker_james on February 17, 2009, 07:08:00 am
I'm sure that the Surly can handle a kickstand.If it wasn't built for attaching one behind the boittom bracket, a stand can be mounted to the rear traingle. Thats what I have on  my aluminum Cannondale, and it works fine. I like kickstands, and can't think of a reason not to have one on a touring bike.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: staehpj1 on February 17, 2009, 07:27:52 am
Purely personal preference.  I wouldn't have one on my bike; others love them. 
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Westinghouse on February 17, 2009, 07:59:53 am
It is not a bad idea to have one. Often you may find yourself out there somewhere miles from nowhere and needing to stop a while. You look around and you do not see the familiar guard rail, tree, or fence to lean your velocipede against, or maybe the fence starts at the bottom of a steep downgrade paralleling your road. What do you do? Do you want to set your nice new $1500.00 touring machine over on its side resting on the panniers on a rough surface, or do you want to stand it up on its two wheels,  or one wheel as the case might be, and then do whatever it was you stopped to do?

Go ahead. Install the kickstand. You will never regret it.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: RussSeaton on February 17, 2009, 09:09:55 am
If you are talking about installing a kickstand on a loaded touring bike, make sure the kickstand can hold the bike up when it has panniers on it.  The double legged one mentioned would work.  I would not trust single leg kickstands with a loaded bike.  I've always figured its safer to lay the bike on the ground, that way you know its not going to fall over and damage anything.  Laying a bike down on the ground does not hurt anything, or the panniers.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: driftlessregion on February 17, 2009, 11:01:27 pm
Then there is this option, I first saw in this forum a couple of years ago: http://www.click-stand.com/Home_Page.html.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: John Nettles on February 18, 2009, 10:50:04 am
I have used and recommend a kickstand.  As others have said, be sure to have enough "uprightness" so that it doesn't want to fall over but not too much so that it can be blown over.  You can attach a Greenfield kickstand to the rear triangle and works well.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: BC on February 18, 2009, 10:56:15 pm
I put a Greenfield kickstand on my Cannondale for $8 on a lay-over day on the Northern Tier in Whitefish, Montana, and found it really useful going across the Plains - as already noted, you can't buy a tree or guard-rail to lean the bike against. After the "parked" bike fell over on a sweltering day in Minnesota (the narrow kickstand poked right down through the heat-softened tarmac), I kept the lid to a jar of tomato sauce handy to place under the stand in order to give it a bigger footprint. The lid is still part of my kit. Kickstands are cheap. Why not try one? If you don't like it, you can always take it off.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: John Nettles on February 18, 2009, 11:47:48 pm
I kept the lid to a jar of tomato sauce handy to place under the stand in order to give it a bigger footprint. The lid is still part of my kit.

I use a golf ball drilled to fit.  It's sort of whimsical and takes forever to wear down.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Aloha_Cyclist on February 19, 2009, 12:26:03 am
I kept the lid to a jar of tomato sauce handy to place under the stand in order to give it a bigger footprint. The lid is still part of my kit.

I use a golf ball drilled to fit.  It's sort of whimsical and takes forever to wear down.

Now that's imaginative! I'm sure it makes for a great conversation piece as well  ;)
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: jfitch on February 19, 2009, 06:26:24 pm
I recently purchased a Surly Long Haul Trucker and I'm outfitting it for a Trans America ride this summer. Is it worth getting a kick stand, just wondering if this simple option is justifiable to consider for a long tour?

I like the Greenfield rear triangle kickstand, recommended by some. However, on the LHT, the spoke holder on the chain stay interferes with the Greenfield mounting system to the point that I was unable to mount one successfully on my LHT (I like kickstands -- VERY handy). I eventually gave up and installed a kickstand that mounts just behind the bottom bracket.

Jim
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Westinghouse on February 24, 2009, 01:12:23 am
I get the impression BC and Tulsa John have done some camping on tour. The problems they had with standing their bikes in camps are the same we have all had. I push the bike into a wooded area, and want to prop it upright on its stand. Of course, the stand just knifes into the ground and the bike falls over. The lid of a jar works just fine, as does the odd piece of wood you find somewhere. For a while I used a running shoe. I saw somebody with a tennis ball on the end of his kickstand. I tried it but I stopped. Sometimes you might be in a wooded area where the trees are too flimsy to suppport a loaded bike, or they are small and not a good place to balance the bike against. I have toured with and without a kickstand. All in all, I prefer to have one on the bike to not having one. It is that little added bit of convenience that makes a long tour a little nicer at times. I have also toured with no kickstand at all, and it was was not bad at all.  It is not an essential item. It does add a little to the weight. As it is with all small light items on a tour, you bring some with you and the weight can add up to pounds and pounds. Pare weight where you can.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Tourista829 on February 24, 2009, 01:58:37 pm
Years ago someone made a small device that attach to the down tube and "flicked" out and held the front wheel steady. It would be great for non kickstand and dual kickstand bikes. Does any one know if they are still available and where to purchase it? I used it back in the mid 1980's. Thanks
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: John Nettles on February 24, 2009, 02:05:13 pm
You're talking about a "Flick Stand".  I loved those on my club bike but they could not keep the wheel locked on a loaded touring bike.  On my tandem, I have another item like that.  It is basically a piece of stair-stepped plastic that inserts between the brake lever and the brake lever housing so that you have to have the brake on to insert it.  It doesn't keep the wheel from turning sideways but does prevent forward or backward motion so the tandem rarely falls over. I wish I could find another one of these also.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: whittierider on February 24, 2009, 03:40:14 pm
You can get much of the benefit of the Flick Stand by putting a velcro-strapping the front wheel to the down tube.  I think I've seen a toe strap used for this too.  For a parking brake for the tandem, we just use the drag brake with its bar-end shifter control
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: Tourista829 on February 24, 2009, 04:30:22 pm
Who says American enginuity is lost. These are two great ideas, Thanks!
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: wildandcrazy on February 25, 2009, 12:03:40 pm
The convenience of a kickstand makes up for the little bit of weight.  The kind that mount on the rear triangle "GreenField" are the best.  They also let you walk the bike backwards without interference by the pedals.  The normal kickstands that mount near the bottom bracket are not very stable for a fully loaded tourer. 
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: AZ Rider on February 26, 2009, 09:38:28 pm
I have a kickstand on my commuting/touring bike which is a  Rivendell Atlantis....it is just
handy to have when you are unloading or loading the panniers.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: BikingViking on March 01, 2009, 07:24:48 pm
Someone else mentioned Click Stand. My wife and I both use them for touring and love them. Light, easy to use and nothing attached to your bike. I have used other kickstands, but this is the best.

http://www.click-stand.com/Home_Page.html
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: cyclebum on March 09, 2009, 12:03:24 am
I've toured both ways and way prefer a simple kickstand. Mine's from WM. The biggest problem is wind blowing the bike over. I like the jar lid idea for stabilizing the bike on soft ground.

I tried the double stand, and all the poster said is true. However, it is heavy, expensive, and you have to be careful cutting it to length. Too short and it's worthless. Too long, and the front end is too high. Front wheel should clear the ground about an inch or two. Oh, the bolt mysteriously stripped out of mine at the end of a 1200 miler and the stand fell off. Have no idea what caused that. Be careful with the attach bolt.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: jimbeard on March 09, 2009, 03:29:41 pm
You can get much of the benefit of the Flick Stand by putting a velcro-strapping the front wheel to the down tube.  I think I've seen a toe strap used for this too.  For a parking brake for the tandem, we just use the drag brake with its bar-end shifter control
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 I like the double kickstand .
http://www.biketrailershop.com/catalog/270-esge-double-kickstand-p-53.html?gclid=CNXWienSlpkCFQwNGgodk1dIag
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: James on March 09, 2009, 10:08:49 pm
I guess I am in the minority here, but I prefer no kickstand.  It is simple, and I don't ever seem to be at a loss to find a good sturdy place to prop my bike up, or at the worst lay it gently on the ground.  Sure beats it toppling over unexpectedly.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: shepherdhike on March 19, 2009, 12:36:22 pm
I wouldn't be without my kickstand. I hate laying my bike and gear on the ground. I haven't had any problems with my single kickstand, but the double one would be awesome for working on the bike, as I'm touring alone and don't have an extra set of hands to help. Wish I'd thought of it before I started out.

Nancy
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: John Nettles on March 19, 2009, 04:39:40 pm
I guess I am in the minority here, but I prefer no kickstand.  It is simple, and I don't ever seem to be at a loss to find a good sturdy place to prop my bike up, or at the worst lay it gently on the ground.  Sure beats it toppling over unexpectedly.

I used to be like that and it worked quite well.

However, more and more places don't like you to lean the bike against the window and so I can still keep an eye on it but it is not hurting anything.  I have only had it topple twice....once due to a kid playing with the bike and once my fault.  I just take the time to place it right and it is fine.  It is great on club rides when everyone is stopped and only a few places to lean.

It also allows a more variety for locking a bike to a pole.
Title: Re: Is it worth installing a kick stand?
Post by: nobachi2000 on September 19, 2009, 01:06:48 am
I purchased a new GT Outpost with disc brakes and installed my Greenfield Stabilizer Rear Mount ATB Kickstand.  I keep hitting the stand with my left feet while pedaling because it is moved away from the my rear axel disc brake.  I changed the angle but it still sticks out too much.  What kind of kickstand do I need?