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Title: Kickstands?
Post by: EnduroDoug on May 07, 2010, 12:57:28 pm
I haven't owned a bike with a kickstand in several decades but my wife and I are setting out for our first multi-day tour around the San Juans next week and I'm starting to think a kickstand might come in handy, especially since my bike will be hooked to a Burly Nomad cargo trailer and I'd rather not have to detach it everytime I want to lay the bike down. Nor do I want to always have to lean it against something, especially if we stop at a cafe for lunch and have to leave it on the sidewalk.

Do most people tour with kickstands? If you installed one after-market, which one? Did it go on well? I'm particularly interested in those that will not mar up the surface of the frame and also be compatible with disc brakes. She's riding a 26" bike and I'm on a 29er (700c). Both mountain bikes with 1.5" touring tires.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: Tourista829 on May 07, 2010, 01:46:59 pm
Like you for years I refused to use a kickstand. I now have rediscovered them. Two suggestions below.

I use a Pletscher dual kickstand that attaches to the bottom bracket. I like it because I sometimes use a single wheel trailer and it allows me to keep the bike upright when parked. If you get it, put a couple of rubber tips on the ends to prevent sliding. www.thorusa.com

There is a company from Germany called Hebie that also makes a dual kickstand. It also attaches to the bottom bracket but a different design. http:///www.hebie.de



Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: rvklassen on May 07, 2010, 02:31:13 pm
Do most people tour with kickstands?
We don't.  We use the ClickStandtm.  Less weight, will not mar the paint.  At least as stable.
http://www.click-stand.com/ (http://www.click-stand.com/).

Each stand is custom made to the size of the bike.  Pricing is competitive with kick-stands. 
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: whittierider on May 07, 2010, 02:47:03 pm
That ClickStand looks like a good idea.  Many frames are no longer made to take the clamping pressure of an aftermarket kickstand, and putting one on could damage the frame, weakening, crushing, or cracking it.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: paddleboy17 on May 07, 2010, 03:35:44 pm
I ordered a Click-Stand and it came Wednesday.  Looks pretty good for my Waterford.  We used to just lay the bikes up against something.  On a tour last summer, the guy I tour with got poison ivy or some other toxic vegetation and he was not happy.  The only issue I have so far with the Click-Stand is that I have to remove the frame pump to use it. 

The Click Stand guy builds and ships pretty fast.  I was really impressed by that.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: EnduroDoug on May 07, 2010, 07:02:53 pm
Thanks everyone. That Click-stand looks like a fine solution, especially since I would otherwise be taking the kickstand on/off depending on usage and that would lead to greater chance of damage to the frame. Think we'll just go without for our trip next week and order up some click-stands when we get back.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: staehpj1 on May 07, 2010, 08:18:59 pm
"Do most people tour with kickstands?"

I'd say of the bike tourists I met (mostly on the TA), the majority did not use kick stands.  The split was probably 70/30 or so favoring without, but that is just an estimate based on the riders I met on one coast to coast tour.

I prefer to do without one.  I almost always can find a place to lean my bike, but also don't mind laying it on it's side.  An extra pound or two just isn't worth it to me.  Oh and most of the bikes I have seen blow over were on kickstands.  A bike already laying on it's side can't blow over :)
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: johnsondasw on May 07, 2010, 11:07:58 pm
I tour with the Nomad.  You don't need to detach it to lay the bike on its side.  I've done it hundreds of times.  I'm not a kickstand fan, but different strokes.....
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: ride4life on May 08, 2010, 10:42:37 am
I have a pletcher bipod kickstand, and it is sometimes handy.  Having said that, I did not buy one for my husband's bike, and might take mine off.  It does not seem to be able to handle the bike at full load (cooking equiptment, camping equiptment,etc) although it probably could if you were credit card touring.  Also, the bolt seems to come loose easily, and is not so easy to tighten with a multitool, you really need a skinny tool to get up in there where it's mounted to the bottom of frame.  when it's a little loose it rattles, but eventually it swings into the krank arms ...disconcerting. 
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: ezdoesit on May 08, 2010, 06:49:14 pm
Here is another vote for the clickstand I got mine last year and wouldn't be with out it ever again. I ride a 2008 Fuji Touring Bike 53 CM.
I f I ever lost it I would order one with out hesitation.
The owner Tom I believe is his name is a great person to deal with and he has an outstanding product.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: rvklassen on May 10, 2010, 09:40:19 am
"Do most people tour with kickstands?"
An extra pound or two just isn't worth it to me. 

The click stand is about 75 grams.  That would be less than 3 oz.  ;D
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: staehpj1 on May 10, 2010, 12:33:47 pm
"Do most people tour with kickstands?"
An extra pound or two just isn't worth it to me. 

The click stand is about 75 grams.  That would be less than 3 oz.  ;D

That may be true for the Click Stand, but it certainly isn't for some of the other options mentioned.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: Tourista829 on May 10, 2010, 01:50:24 pm
Click Stand??? Is that the thing we used back in the 70'sand 80's that attacked to the frame and the metal piece flip out and held the front tire in place?  ???
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: whittierider on May 10, 2010, 02:04:53 pm

Quote
Click Stand??? Is that the thing we used back in the 70'sand 80's that attacked to the frame and the metal piece flip out and held the front tire in place?   ???

I think that was the "FlickStand."
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: waynemyer on May 10, 2010, 02:29:37 pm
It was indeed the FlickStand.

In lieu of a FlickStand, I use a strap of heavy velcro and secure my front wheel.  This lets me reliably lean the bike just about anywhere, even if there is a grade.  Won't do anything to prevent poison ivy though.  Yikes!   :o
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: rvklassen on May 10, 2010, 03:27:30 pm
Click Stand??? Is that the thing we used back in the 70'sand 80's that attacked to the frame and the metal piece flip out and held the front tire in place?  ???
Nope.  The click stand was only invented sometime around 2007 (patent application filed January 2008).
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: deniseh on May 19, 2010, 12:01:19 am
I solo toured 6 weeks last year with a burley nomad and a fisher 29er without a kickstand.  I seriously recommend that you get a kickstand if at all possible.  Since there are two of you, the situation wont be so bad if one of you holds the bike when you attach the trailer; however, attaching the trailer by yourself is a royal pain.  Also, it is hard to find things long enough to lean the bike and trailer on.  When you lean just the bike it easily falls down, due to the pull of the trailer, and every time the little black rubber part that attaches to the bike gets harder to get lined up.  Best of luck.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: bogiesan on May 24, 2010, 11:36:36 pm
the old Esge bipod stand on my Easy Racers Tour Easy recumbnet has 35k on it and is starting to wobble around. I'm going to need a new one soon, thanks for the link to Thor.

bogiesan
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: TwoWheeledExplorer on June 20, 2010, 11:45:05 am
I have Greenfield rear-mount kickstands on both my Trek patrol bike and my Bianchi Volpe. (Can't find a stand that will fit over the disc brake support piece on my Novara Safari.) I used to take a lot of guff from my fellow MTBers, but almost all bike medics and cops use rear kicks. Makes it easier to get into the rack pack or panniers.  ;D

I tried a center-mount, "traditional" kickstand for the Safari, and it would not stay tight, scarched up the paint, etc. So for now, until one of my LBSs or REI come up with an acceptable solution,  I ride it without.

Ride safe,
Hans
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: cyclocamping on August 21, 2010, 12:54:43 pm
The best kickstand for loaded bikes are made by Pletscher (swiss made). The best deals out there can be found here: Save on Pletscher Bicycle Touring Kickstands (http://www.cyclocamping.com/products.asp?cat=37)
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: Tourista829 on August 21, 2010, 05:26:18 pm
I have a Pletscher dual kickstand for my Comotion. I had to take it off, on a recent trip. It wouldn't tighten because the bolt was bent and the kickstand kept hitting the left pedal. (how the bolt got bent was beyond me) It had it's pluses and minuses.
+'s the bike can actually stands up with a loaded single wheel trailer attached, and good for working on the wheels of your bike.       
-'s heavy, can shift and bind cables and when I put rubber tips on the ends, to keep the bike more stable, the kickstand cuts through the tips, no matter how much I file.

I might switch to a click stand. I also saw an interesting kickstand, on a Dutch Bike. It was a dual kickstand that worked differently from the Pletscher. The dual stand was wide, stable, and folded, one on each side. It was from a company called Hebie. Too bad it was on a cargo work bike.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: pptouring on August 21, 2010, 08:47:16 pm
We tried the Pletscher center stand and it is a great stand, but we couldn't keep it tight.

During our last (May/June 2010) European tour we learned about front low rider stands, so after returning to the states we ordered some and installed them on our Co-Motions. Currently, we've (my wife and i) have moved on to the Greenfield rear kickstand and the Tubus lowrider kickstand for the front rack. Unfortunately, we've only had the stands installed for a couple weeks and have not really tested them under load, but so far we are very pleased with them.  

Greenfield Rear Stand (http://www.greenfieldny.com/chart_bicycle.htm)
Tubus Low Rider Stand (http://www.ortliebusa.com/CartGenie/prod-297.htm)

I'll post some pics tomorrow of our setup.

ron

edited: I'd like to add that I have put all my weight (~153lbs) on the bike with both stands extended and our bikes held up fine.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: cyclocamping on August 21, 2010, 08:50:44 pm
I prefer the Pletscher Multizoom rear kickstand (http://www.cyclocamping.com/proddetail.asp?prod=52900/1) over the double leg. And you're right it is annoying to have the the kickstand breaking through the shoe. I add a washer inside of the shoe so it last longer, maybe you can try that. I met a guy once who had someone who welded a wider disk at the end of the kickstand leg, I should have that done at some point too - no shoe problem after that.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: cyclocamping on August 21, 2010, 08:54:03 pm
Robenne, did you have the Pletscher Double leg mounted with the Pletscher Deluxe F8 plate (http://www.cyclocamping.com/proddetail.asp?prod=51623)? People say that the kickstand doesn't get loose with that one - and it's pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: Tourista829 on August 21, 2010, 11:21:34 pm
Ron, I did not know that Tubus offered a front low rider stand. You got to hand it to the Germans. Was Manny able to order it for you? I still use my trailer. Will it keep the trailer upright when parked? (with use with the rear Greenfield) I am still going to investigate the Hebie, but as you know, good luck finding one in Tampa. Are you going to post, your pictures from your recent trip to Europe?

I believe it's Stepanie, from Cyclocamping, thanks for your advice. I went to Home Depot but I needed a 3/8 size 2 3/8'' bolt but they only had 2" 1/2. I  may order the Pletscher Delux F8 plate. Bikes are always a work in progress.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: pptouring on August 22, 2010, 11:07:33 am
Here are some pics of the stands.

(http://pedalpowertouring.com/imgTmp/stand1.jpg)

(http://pedalpowertouring.com/imgTmp/stand2.jpg)

(http://pedalpowertouring.com/imgTmp/stand3.jpg)

(http://pedalpowertouring.com/imgTmp/stand4.JPG)

(http://pedalpowertouring.com/imgTmp/stand5.jpg)

@cyclocamping - Yes we had the Pletscher Dual leg and it is a great stand, but we couldn't keep it tight. If this setup doesn't work out I'll look into the Deluxe F8 Plate.

@Bob (aka Toursita829) - Yes UBC was able to order these for us from OrtliebUSA. Before leaving Germany I checked OrtliebUSA and saw they were available here in the US. You know I have no idea how this setup will work with a trailer, I guess I pull the trailer out, hook it up, and see what happens. I'll let you know. We are working on a new blogging site that will be complete with pictures, videos, stories, etc... from our tours. We think our next small tour will be along the East Coast starting in Maine and riding down to DC. Then for another tour we'll go up to DC and ride back down here to Florida.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: Tourista829 on August 22, 2010, 10:28:59 pm
Ron, Thanks for the picture of the Tubus low rider stand. It looks good. Your trip from Maine to DC sounds exciting, small tour? We use to vacation in Bar Harbor and toured in New England. You will have a great trip. How long will you alot for your trip? Look forward to your Blog with pictures & videos.
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: cyclocamping on August 26, 2010, 10:35:50 am
I have seen people traveling with this kickstand too and seem to be happy with it.

http://www.click-stand.com/ (http://www.click-stand.com/)
Title: Re: Kickstands?
Post by: mu2flyer on September 23, 2010, 10:26:42 am
I use the Pletscher dual kickstand and find it to be handy if installed and used properly. I wrapped heavy duty thick plumber’s pipe wrap around the attachment points on the bike first. It’s like electrical tape only thicker and wider. This will keep the frame from scratching. At the beginning keep a big Allen wrench with you and continue to tighten until it stops moving. You’ll find as you use it, it loosens but it’s just settling in and eventually finds its final tightened position. When using the kickstand while loaded I Velcro the front wheel to the frame to keep  the front wheel from turning one way or the other changing the balance and causing the bike to fall over. It’s a clever design but it would be nice if it had a wider stance when deployed. That being said, I’m glad I purchased it.