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Title: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonythomson on August 07, 2010, 08:07:13 am
Hi, my local bike shop is recommending a Gunnar frame.
I have never heard of them, (doesn't mean much) does anyone have any view as to their quality, service etc

Thanks
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: Tourista829 on August 07, 2010, 10:07:37 am
Tony, Gunnar makes very good stuff. I believe their Grand Tour is a steel frame. It has all the bells and whistles. A few things I like are the chain stays are 445mm which will give you plenty of clearance for rear panniers. The wheel clearance is up to 38c with fenders. You can get it with S&S couplers for an additional $750. I like the frame sizing every 20mm, or if you are into custom fit, they provide that option for for an additional $275. By the time you get done you are looking between $3000 to $4000. If I may make two suggestions. A&E Cycles of Seattle Washington has a pretty good set up. 18 stock sizes and for an extra $100 they will custom fit you. They make all their own frames. I have 3 friends who purchased bikes from them and really like their bikes. They even take a $100 off the hard case if you have the bike shipped in it. Worth a look. The other resource we like is SJS Cycles in the UK. My girlfriend purchased a bike from them and loves it. The only rub, as I previously mentioned in a post, was they are not really set up for S&S Couplers. So they would want you to repaint the bike after they put them in. ($1250 ouch!) I believe Bilenky in Phila, Pa. offers this option for around $500 and they may be able to do it, in a way, that keep the original paint.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: TimTyler on August 07, 2010, 11:57:50 am
A&E Cycles of Seattle Washington has a pretty good set up.

Do you mean R+E Cycles? http://www.rodcycle.com/
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: Tourista829 on August 07, 2010, 09:59:43 pm
Yes I did mean R+E Cycles, Rodriguez, thank you for the correction.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: DaveB on August 08, 2010, 09:41:21 am
Gunner frames are made by Waterford Cycles and are very highly thought of. Here is the Sheldon Brown/Harris Cyclery web site description of them:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/gunnar.html

Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonythomson on August 09, 2010, 04:48:42 am
Thanks - see what happens on Tuesday as the bike shop thinks he might be able to resurrect my 25 yo Nigel Dean!! Been festering away for 10 years.  I have my doubts but if not will certainly consider the Gunnar with S&S as becoming obsessed with being able to fold the bike for travelling.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: DaveB on August 09, 2010, 07:54:36 am
Along with the Gunner look at Co-Motion's touring bikes as they are very experienced with S&S couplers. Another experienced S&S builder is builder is Bilenky.   
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: ducnut on August 09, 2010, 11:13:46 am
I'd love to have a Gunnar!

If you're considering frames in that price range, Lynskey is another option. The family used to own Litespeed and sold it. They ended up getting back into the business with the Lynskey brand. Extreme high quality stuff.

http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/a/
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonupgilly on August 09, 2010, 02:57:05 pm
Anyone know if there are any Gunnar dealers in the UK?
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonythomson on August 09, 2010, 03:02:44 pm
Anyone know if there are any Gunnar dealers in the UK?

Hi yes I'm in the UK and dealing with Rock n Road in Southampton - the first shop who I have found knowledgeable about touring bikes. Where are you as heading up to the Midlands on the canals over the next 2 weeks.

Tony
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonupgilly on August 09, 2010, 03:40:50 pm
Hi Tony,

I'm in Broadstairs in Kent.  About as far East as you can go without getting wet.  No canals near us I'm afraid.  My sister has travelled them in the past - had a great time - very relaxing.  I used to come out your way to Calshot - taking groups of A level students on field studies.

I'm in a real dilemma about what to do about a bike as it doesn't look as if I'm going to be able to use the Trek now so I am looking at all options.  Never heard of Gunnar frames.  Have looked into Thorn, so will probably now look into Gunnar too.  Let me know if you have any further thoughts on them.

Hope you have a good trip.

Regards, Gill
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: tonythomson on August 10, 2010, 10:33:57 am
Hi Gill
have just been into the shop and have to say very impressed with the guy there.  All I've heard is good about Gunnar - the cost rockets up though for a frame only from £1100 as against a Surly LHT £350 both of which will do the job adequately. For me now it's which one I can source quickly.

Very disappointed that no one in UK seems to make frames specifically for unsupported touring.  UNLESS someone out there knows different.
Please let me know if you do.

Good luck off to the canals now 5 hours late leaving after looking at more bikes!
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: ducnut on August 10, 2010, 10:41:26 am
Very disappointed that no one in UK seems to make frames specifically for unsupported touring.  UNLESS someone out there knows different.
Please let me know if you do.

Have you considered Thorn?

http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/models.html
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: gregg on August 10, 2010, 05:58:55 pm
I'll give a simple answer to the OP's question. Yes, Gunnar frames are excellent. They are made by Waterford Cycles, one of the USA's premier custom steel frame builders, owned by Richard Schwinn (yes, that Schwinn).  Gunnar is their more affordable (less fancy) line of frames.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: paddleboy17 on August 12, 2010, 01:35:56 pm
Waterford, Wisconsin is where Schwinn built their higher end Paramount bikes.  It is the only part of the business that the Schwinn family held onto when Schwinn went bankrupt. 

My local dealer sold both brands.  It may be that Waterford will do more custom work, and Gunnar is the way it is.  Gunnar does seem to be Waterford's value line.  Your bike shop should be able to tell you eerything you need to know.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: Tohono Rat on August 29, 2010, 02:36:06 pm
Gunnar frames are EXCELLENT.... Steel is real!  If you have any possibility of riding off-road, look at their Rock Tour frame.  It is a mountain bike frame made exclusively for touring.  I have one that I LOVE LOVE LOVE.  I will be doing 500+ off-road miles in Northern Spain on it in the spring.  This is their description from their web site:

So when the Adventure Cycling Association opened the Great Divide Trail, we decided to build the perfect bike for the explorer. We mixed in some old school goodness with some leading edge features.

With a shorter top tube than our race designs, you can enjoy a more comfy, upright fit for all day exploration. Our leading edge chainstay disc mounts let you mount a rear rack without interfering with the disc brakes (chainstay disc mounts are available only on sizes 16″ and up). And disc brakes make your life a lot easier in the mountains. No more overheating your rims on controlled descents. Plus, you get lots of tire clearance whether for 26 inch wheels or our no-extra-charge 29er designs. Rack mounts and triple water bottle boss sets give you lots of ways to secure your cargo. Our head tube gusset system adds strength and provides excellent fork clearance, whether you go rigid or mount today’s suspension forks.

Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: Tourista829 on August 29, 2010, 03:48:04 pm
As Artie Johnson use to say on Laugh In, "Very Interesting!" However, there is nothing to laugh about, it looks like a very good mtn or even an expedition bike. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: canali on September 07, 2010, 09:18:45 pm
check out their newer 'fast lane' model....has disc and can run fatter tires (up to 38" i think with fenders) and even handle loads of up to 40-50 lbs...not a true touring gig and yet not a true sport frame....this frame and the 'grand tour' were ones that Richard (schwinn) suggested I look at and even tweak in my search for an 'all rounder' (for both touring and randonneuring, even if I had to swap out a ligher wheel set and remove the racks for less weight, which I'm cool with).
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: driftlessregion on September 17, 2010, 11:06:19 pm
It used to be that all Waterfords were lugged and no Gunnars were, but Waterford does offer some non-lugged frames.
Not only are their frames great but Richard Schwinn has been a terrific advocate for bicycling in the state included president of the Bicycle Federation of Wisconsin not too long ago.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: paddleboy17 on September 22, 2010, 01:07:26 pm
If you want a lugged frame, I think your only choice is to buy a Waterford or a Rivendell.  Waterford also makes Rivendell's frames.

I think most of Waterfords frames come lugged or TIG welded.  You pay a premium to get a lugged frame.

As far as I know, all of the Gunnar frames are TIG welded.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: mikeedgar on October 22, 2011, 08:20:39 pm
check out their newer 'fast lane' model....has disc and can run fatter tires (up to 38" i think with fenders) and even handle loads of up to 40-50 lbs...not a true touring gig and yet not a true sport frame....this frame and the 'grand tour' were ones that Richard (schwinn) suggested I look at and even tweak in my search for an 'all rounder' (for both touring and randonneuring, even if I had to swap out a ligher wheel set and remove the racks for less weight, which I'm cool with).

I have a Fast Lane with disk brakes. It is for "light touring" and so I pull Burley Nomad. The Nomad only puts about 11 lbs on the bike. I had no problems on a 3000 mile ride.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: driftlessregion on October 22, 2011, 11:36:11 pm
There other lugged frames but most are expensive custom frames such as Bob Jackson, Vanilla and Bruce Gordon. Waterford's non-lugged, i.e., TIG welded frames are the competition frames and all Gunnar are TIG welded. Most Waterfords are built to customer fit while most Gunnars are stock frames but they do offer custom fit too. Gunnar charges more for that but Waterford does not.
Waterford has off and on made Rivendell frames but Rivendell is currently made by Mark Nobilette while others like the Atlantis and Home Hilsen by Rivendell are made by Waterford. Curt Goodrich, one of the premier frame builders in the country at one time also made Rivendell frames, probably before he was famous. Some of the other Riv brands are made in Asia.
Title: Re: Gunnar frames - are they any good????
Post by: ducnut on October 23, 2011, 06:56:28 pm
I have a Fast Lane with disk brakes. It is for "light touring" and so I pull Burley Nomad. The Nomad only puts about 11 lbs on the bike. I had no problems on a 3000 mile ride.

Thanks for reviving this thread. I'm looking at going to a steel-framed, disc bike. I'd totally forgotten about this model and am going to give Waterford a ring, in the AM.