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Route Development => Bicycle Route 66 => Topic started by: JMilyko on December 22, 2010, 02:33:26 pm

 
Title: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on December 22, 2010, 02:33:26 pm
As you may or may not know, Adventure Cycling recently announced our intention to create Bicycle Route 66 which will follow the historic US Route 66 highway as much as practical. You can read more in this press release:

http://www.adventurecycling.org/news/20101122.cfm?use=web (http://www.adventurecycling.org/news/20101122.cfm?use=web)

And these two blog posts:

http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/11/bicycling-mother-road.html (http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/11/bicycling-mother-road.html)
http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/12/bike-route-66-continued.html (http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/12/bike-route-66-continued.html)

The main purpose of this forum area is to provide a place for cyclists to talk about the development of Bicycle Route 66, offer suggestions and generally stay up to date with the project as it unfolds.

We look forward to the conversation.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: knolltop on December 23, 2010, 08:04:30 am
Hooooorah!
Let me know if there's any type assistance needed.  Retirement makes it possible to lend a hand.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on December 28, 2010, 07:57:14 am
Hi Michael,

Thank you for the offer of assistance. Stay tuned. Where do you live? Your location will determine what kind of help we might ask for.

Thanks again,
.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: knolltop on December 28, 2010, 08:41:10 am
PM sent.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: dwnptrl_777 on December 28, 2010, 09:14:12 pm
Saw your post on Twitter and had to jump in here to say I'm excited about this route!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Half-fast Otti on December 31, 2010, 10:09:26 am
I too look forward to the Rout 66 ride.   Here in St. Louis one of the local organizations has a ride that starts just inside Oklahoma and rides back to St. Louis on the old Route 66.  One of your writers rode along with us in October 2009 and wrote an article about it.    I would love to do it again and hopefully it won't rain on us the whole week as it did in 2009.   
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: reed523 on February 25, 2011, 07:34:16 am
I'm in Perkins OK.  35 miles north of 66.  Might be able to help.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Tourista829 on February 25, 2011, 08:22:12 am
JMityko, this is wonderful news!!! Thank you. If ever in Amarillo, Texas there is a great French Bakery called Franks. He is from Paris and how he got to Amarillo is a subject of speculation. The best French Bread, Baguettes, and Pastries. They are closed on Mondays. If others have ridden Route 66 are there other interesting places that stood out that you might want to share? Let's create a little excitement! ;D
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: pat4701 on March 04, 2011, 06:51:49 pm
I'm really excited about this route.  I'm in Oklahoma and will help in any way I can.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on March 09, 2011, 09:26:59 am
Thanks Reed and Pat! Send me a PM or email with your contact information and I'll get your names added to our list of possible support people.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: arickrick on March 17, 2011, 03:22:37 pm
You may be aware already, but if not, FYI:  There is in print a fine mapset giving a good overview of the Route 66.  It is a 8 map set, one for each state, called  "Here It Is, Route 66, The Map Series", by Jerry McClanahan and Jim Ross.  It is available on Amazon, and may help your research.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on March 18, 2011, 07:45:30 am
You may be aware already, but if not, FYI:  There is in print a fine mapset giving a good overview of the Route 66.  It is a 8 map set, one for each state, called  "Here It Is, Route 66, The Map Series", by Jerry McClanahan and Jim Ross.  It is available on Amazon, and may help your research.

Thanks, we'll look into it.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: CharlieG on April 03, 2011, 11:59:23 pm
I'm in Amarillo and will help any way I can.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on April 04, 2011, 10:55:01 am
I'm in Amarillo and will help any way I can.

Great, thanks! If you'd send me your email and/or other contact information in a PM, I'll add you to our list of possible volunteers.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: csykes on April 05, 2011, 10:46:35 pm
On a visit to Flagstaff AZ I needed some quick help with a bike problem.  Absolute Bikes on Rt 66 near the heart of town gave good service quickly and at a reasonable price. 

Is this the kind of information that is helpful for this effort?
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on April 06, 2011, 09:26:51 am
On a visit to Flagstaff AZ I needed some quick help with a bike problem.  Absolute Bikes on Rt 66 near the heart of town gave good service quickly and at a reasonable price. 

Is this the kind of information that is helpful for this effort?

You bet! Getting this kind of information helps us narrow the choices of what businesses to list when there are multiple options.

Thanks,
.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Crooked Letter on May 12, 2011, 06:45:45 pm
Very excited about this project.

I live in a rural western Oklahoma town directly on 66... It would be a dream to have a route at my front door!

Oklahoma recently made advances on a state project... http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/oklahoma-senate-advances-route-66-bicycle-trail-bill/ (http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/oklahoma-senate-advances-route-66-bicycle-trail-bill/)

I've got some ideas for routes west of OKC. Anyone else out there in OK?
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Crooked Letter on May 12, 2011, 07:00:29 pm
From Texola, Oklahoma... border of Texas/Oklahoma to Elk City there are many many miles of the original route that is drivable with very low traffic volume... quite literally we could put signs along it tomorrow and have a viable route... however Interstates parallel 66 much of the way... this gets annoying and... plus new bridges and removed bridges skips original 66 towns (like my own) that were on the map for years... until now LOL.  Fortunately there are some great paved country road... no stripes... quiet... that are much more pleasant even if its only one mile line from the Interstate... additionally I'd love to some reasonable 'jogs' in the bike route to show off some of the geology of the Great Plains... (and come to my front door! ;)  its not flat as everyone thinks... :)

Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on May 13, 2011, 08:44:23 am
Very excited about this project.

I live in a rural western Oklahoma town directly on 66... It would be a dream to have a route at my front door!

Oklahoma recently made advances on a state project... http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/oklahoma-senate-advances-route-66-bicycle-trail-bill/ (http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/oklahoma-senate-advances-route-66-bicycle-trail-bill/)

I've got some ideas for routes west of OKC. Anyone else out there in OK?

Great! I've sent you an email to follow up.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: john on July 18, 2011, 09:07:07 am
Hi My name is John and I am a member of 'The Sons of Shankly' a group of middle to old aged lunatics from Liverpool England who raise money for Mc Millan Cancer Relief.  We cycled Route 66 in the summer of 2005 and raised $50.000 for the cause.  In July - August of 2012 we are attempting to cycle along Route 66 again but will via off near springfield and cycle on through Kentucky and Vaginia.  We will then be able to say we cycled from the Pacific in Los Angles to the Atlantic at Virginia Beach.  If anyone could advise us about the route from Route 66 at Springfield to Vaginia Beach we would be most greatful.

Good luck with your personal adventures or goals.

Regards:

John & The Sons of Shankly
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: csykes on July 18, 2011, 11:29:54 pm
Be careful how you spell Virginia!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: staehpj1 on August 04, 2011, 02:24:48 pm
Hi My name is John and I am a member of 'The Sons of Shankly' a group of middle to old aged lunatics from Liverpool England who raise money for Mc Millan Cancer Relief.  We cycled Route 66 in the summer of 2005 and raised $50.000 for the cause.  In July - August of 2012 we are attempting to cycle along Route 66 again but will via off near springfield and cycle on through Kentucky and Vaginia.  We will then be able to say we cycled from the Pacific in Los Angles to the Atlantic at Virginia Beach.  If anyone could advise us about the route from Route 66 at Springfield to Vaginia Beach we would be most greatful.

Good luck with your personal adventures or goals.

Regards:

John & The Sons of Shankly
It would be pretty easy to join the Trans America Route not too awfully far south of there.  That or maybe join it where the two routes cross near Girard KS
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Bicycle Rider on August 10, 2011, 01:37:59 pm
Unfortunately, living in South Carolina I cannot give much physical help. However I am very interested in the progress of this route, as I am currently in the early planning stages of the east/west leg of a cross country and back grand tour (http://www.adventurecycling.org/forums/index.php?topic=9474.0). My biggest problem so far is I want to pass near Dallas, TX on my way to Los Angeles. I have found a possible way as far west as Anniston, AL. (about 70 miles east of Birmingham). so the first part of the way is pretty well off. Dallas to Los Angeles is still a big blank spot though.

A long time ago I drove from San Diego to Dallas along US 380. A very nice road, but that was 30 years ago, and I don't remember there being much along the way as far as overnight stays were concerned. At least not close enough to each other for practical self contained bicycle travel. And it only goes as far west as I-25 in New Mexico. Still, it remained my only known corridor. However[comma] it is just a little over 300 miles from Dallas to Amarillo (200 to Oklahoma City). If the 66 route is finished by then it would be perfect, as I could pick it up there and it will take me all the way to El Lay! :D So obviously I am going to watch this thread with great interest. Anybody have any wild ideas as to when this A.C.A. route might just come into existence?
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on August 11, 2011, 07:48:36 am
Hi Bicycle Rider,

Anybody have any wild ideas as to when this A.C.A. route might just come into existence?

It will likely be late 2014 before the first map sections will be available.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Bicycle Rider on August 12, 2011, 11:16:27 am
Alas, that is at least a year too late, I'm planning to depart in March of '13 :-[  I don't suppose you know of a web site that shows places to spend the night either on or near the highway (camping or motel)? I can find alternate routes on my map program for the sections where the interstate covers it.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on August 25, 2011, 08:58:33 am
I don't suppose you know of a web site that shows places to spend the night either on or near the highway (camping or motel)? I can find alternate routes on my map program for the sections where the interstate covers it.

You might want to check the resources in these two blog posts to fill your gap:

http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/11/bicycling-mother-road.html (http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/11/bicycling-mother-road.html)
http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/12/bike-route-66-continued.html (http://blog.adventurecycling.org/2010/12/bike-route-66-continued.html)

I hope this helps.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Moni on December 27, 2011, 08:13:31 pm
I am in Oklahoma City, and previously lived in Tulsa.  Rode from Tulsa to Luther several times, self contained... and now, rode from Luther back to Edmond numerous times.

I currently live on the route (66 that is).  I could prolly help some too.

I am also in the warm showers list, and let people stay at my place, when ever possible.

Moni
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on December 28, 2011, 01:02:38 pm
Hi Moni,

Always good to hear from you! Thanks for offering some assistance with Bicycle Route 66. I believe we've already had the driving research done through Oklahoma but may want feedback as the process proceeds. If you could send me your current contact information, I'll keep it on file for that purpose.

Also, if you'd like to be listed on the maps as a Cyclists Only Camping or Lodging option, we can do that, too. Just let me know.

.Jenn.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Moni on December 28, 2011, 03:37:14 pm
Jenn, you have mail.

Moni
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on December 29, 2011, 08:17:35 am
On a visit to Flagstaff AZ I needed some quick help with a bike problem.  Absolute Bikes on Rt 66 near the heart of town gave good service quickly and at a reasonable price. 

Is this the kind of information that is helpful for this effort?

Yes, this kind of information can be helpful. Especially when there are multiple choices for the service directory. Thanks for letting us know. I'll put your note in the  file.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: bike4fun on February 13, 2012, 04:36:34 pm
Hi My name is John and I am a member of 'The Sons of Shankly' a group of middle to old aged lunatics from Liverpool England who raise money for Mc Millan Cancer Relief.  We cycled Route 66 in the summer of 2005 and raised $50.000 for the cause.  In July - August of 2012 we are attempting to cycle along Route 66 again but will via off near springfield and cycle on through Kentucky and Vaginia.  We will then be able to say we cycled from the Pacific in Los Angles to the Atlantic at Virginia Beach.  If anyone could advise us about the route from Route 66 at Springfield to Vaginia Beach we would be most greatful.

Good luck with your personal adventures or goals.

Regards:

John & The Sons of Shankly

John,
The Transamerica route crosses old Route 66 just east of Springfield, at Marshfield, MO.  You could stay on old 66 'til there, then follow the TransAm to near Yorktown, VA and figure out a route from there to Virginia Beach, only a short distance away.

Mike
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: BikingBrian on August 04, 2012, 01:46:20 am
This great article on the route appeared today! http://grist.org/living/the-mother-of-all-rides-biking-across-america-on-the-old-route-66/
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: lscheetz on October 17, 2012, 05:29:13 pm
There are a lot of Route 66 Bike journals posted at www.crazyguyonabike.com/  One of my favorites is Oris Barber's at http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=1&doc_id=7977&v=1Ou/

At crazyguy... you can search to find a lot of journals.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jfinchgo on January 03, 2013, 05:34:26 pm
Jennifer,

I believe I read somewhere that the ACA Route map was anticipated for 2014; are they still on track for 2014?  Do you have any idea whether it would be available in time to ride the route in 2014?  I just finished the Atlantic Coast route this summer and my wife and I are hoping to ride Route 66 in 2014.

Regards,

Jeff
Chicago, IL
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on January 04, 2013, 11:47:02 am
Hi Jeff,

I believe I read somewhere that the ACA Route map was anticipated for 2014; are they still on track for 2014?  Do you have any idea whether it would be available in time to ride the route in 2014?  I just finished the Atlantic Coast route this summer and my wife and I are hoping to ride Route 66 in 2014.

We are shooting to have Bicycle Route 66 maps published late 2014 so unfortunately, I don't think it will match your desire to ride the route in 2014.

Sorry,
.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: DMGingrich on April 03, 2013, 05:11:01 pm
Hi, three of us have had a great time cycling parts of Route 66.  We've covered the first half- between Chicago and Vega, TX (just west of Amarillo).  We are planning this year's trip between Flagstaff and Vega.  Still mapping out our route - and have used the Route 66 route maps for New Mexico.

I sure would appreciate any tips about cycling this part of Route 66!

Plan to finish up next year with the remainig part between Flagstaff and Santa Monica.  Very disappointed to hear that the Adventure Cycling maps/helps won't be out until the end of the year.

We have been having a great time.  But we are concerned with all the interstate sections as we get further out west.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on April 04, 2013, 08:31:32 am
Hello DMGingrich,

Glad to hear you've enjoyed your adventure thus far on Route 66. I wish we could have the maps ready for you sooner. Right now, the information is still pretty rough. It sounds like you found the New Mexico information ok, we are following a lot of what you see here:

http://www.bicyclemaps.org/rt66/Route_66/Welcome.html

It is planned that we will choose routes off of the interstate (even if it's not the actual Route 66) as much as possible though there will be times when interstate is the best/only option. We want a great bike route with the Route 66 history, however, sometimes routing will trump history.

For next year's trip out of Flagstaff, you might want to peruse this blog that covers the distance from Flagstaff, AZ to Barstow, CA:

http://www.bikingbrian.com/tag/route66tour2010/

Best wishes on the rest of your journey!

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mcallawa on April 08, 2013, 05:43:49 pm
A really fun section of Route 66 seems to be missing from the New Mexico Touring Society Route 66 maps mentioned in other posts. I have ridden the old Route 66 from where NM 6 intersects I-40 just west of the Rio Puerco, (about 20 miles west of Albuquerque) all the way to Thoreau, NM. Basically old 66 is the frontage road for I-40 from Grants to Gallup, NM, but the most interesting sections are where it goes away from I-40 near NM 6 and Laguna Pueblo. So here is how to find it:
E-W: From Albuquerque there is an I-40 frontage road to Rio Puerco (take West Central Ave. out of town. Cross I-40 at the top of the big hill and ride along the north side of I-40). You have to get back on the Interstate west from Rio Puerco. Get off I-40 at the NM 6 ramp. Turn left and cross over the I-40 overpass heading south on NM 6. Turn right about a half mile at the first road you come to which crosses a bridge over the BNSF RR tracks. This road has bad pavement with some gravel areas, but it gets better in a mile or two. This is the old, undisturbed Rte 66! You can see the faint center stripe, and the old telephone poles are still present in some areas. Also it is pretty far off I-40, so you get the feel of the old road. After several miles a natural gas pumping station appears on your left, then old 66 crosses over I-40 again and meanders roughly parallel to I-40, passing through Laguna Pueblo, and Cubero, NM. Cubero has an ancient motel where Ernest Hemingway allegedly wrote parts of 'The Old Man and the Sea.' Keep west on this road and it eventually crosses I-40 again, and runs past the lava beds of El Malpais, crossing I-40 again and heading into Grants, NM where it is the main street. Keep on it out of town and stay on the north side of I-40. You will come to Thoreau after some miles. 66 continues as the frontage road from here but I have not ridden it, so I don't know if it's continuous or not.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jamawani on April 08, 2013, 06:28:31 pm
The problems with trying to retrace Route 66 are that it is discontinuous and often chock-a-block up against I-40.
(And that's when I-40 hasn't been built on top of it.)

I still believe riding from Cuba via Crownpoint, Window Rock, Second Mesa, and Tuba City -
Gives you a far better feel for what the Route 66 scenery and culture was like on an open road.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mmoser on April 10, 2013, 12:14:52 pm
Thanks for your ideas on Route 66!  Suggestions from riders who have been to the area are big considerations for us as we choose a route.   

Mcallawa, the route you described was actually considered as research was done, but because of some of the reasons you mention here (bad pavement, discontinuous frontage road, in addition to unsafe riding conditions), we agreed on the route you see on the New Mexico Touring Society website, after doing research and collaborating with that group.
 
Jamawani, your suggested route sounds beautiful!   However, when conditions allow, we are trying to keep the route as close to Route 66 as possible.
 
In general, for our Bicycle Route 66, we are trying to follow Route 66 as much as possible, as long as it would provide a good long distance bike tour.  The route will, however, veer off in places where we feel like Route 66 no longer makes a good bike trip (keeping our members and customers in mind).   Things that we consider are safety, traffic, pavement condition, shoulder width, visibility, available services, scenery, and historical points of interest.
 
If you have other ideas/suggestions, please keep them coming.  We definitely value your input.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jfinchgo on April 19, 2013, 11:42:12 pm
I believe I read that the route has essentially been laid out.  My wife and I are planning on starting from Flagstaff (we have a house in Phoenix) and riding East to Chicago in the spring of 2014 and then riding from Flagstaff to Santa Monica in the fall.  I'm concerned about facilities & accommodations between Flagstaff and Gallup, NM as we're trying to make this a credit card trip without any camping (i.e., without having to carry camping gear).  Can you provide any information about the towns and/or facilities & accommodations along the route between Flagstaff and Gallup?

Thanks,

Jeff
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mathieu on April 26, 2013, 10:42:44 pm
I don't know what ACA has planned for the route between Ash Fork - AZ and Williams - AZ. As far as I know the original Route 66 is completely replaced by Interstate 40. To bypass this 19 mile long section involving 1600 ft of climbing, I took today County Rd 142, also signed as Double A Ranch Rd, out of Ash Fork. After 4.8 mi the road changes to FR-124 but keeps its name Double A Ranch Rd. It soon becomes a dirt road with a solid red-brick surface, until it gets paved again a couple of miles before Williams. It is a rolling, very scenic road. Of course it also involves at least 1600 ft of climbing and totals 29 miles, but in a quiet setting without diesel fumes. Dirt roads are also less risky for punctures than the shoulders of Interstates. Part of FR-124 runs along the Santa Fe railway. I saw 8 freight trains passing in the 2 hours I was on this road, more than the number of cars and motorcycles. There is no way of getting lost if you keep the two numbers County Rd 142 and FR-124 in mind, because the main road is much broader and much better maintained than the side roads ending on it. While a dirt road may not be liked by all cyclists, I would recommend it at least for eastbound Route 66 travel. Westbounders might try to outpace the heavy trucks on the Interstate.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mmoser on May 02, 2013, 11:44:57 am
Jeff,

We have not mapped out services yet, but between Flagstaff, towns with services are spread out at reasonable riding distances of 40-60 miles (see any map of the area).  There is not much in between, though.  So you'll want to carry enough food and water for the entire day, plus a bit extra for emergency. The area with the fewest services is between Holbrook and Gallup, but when last checked there was a hotel, restaurant, and gas station in Chambers.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mmoser on May 02, 2013, 11:48:20 am
Mathieu,

Thanks for your ideas on routing between Ash Fork and Williams, AZ!  We generally avoid dirt roads because many do not like to ride them, but we will consider this as an alternate if we have room as we are laying the route out.  We may be in touch for more details if we decide to include this alternate.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mathieu on May 04, 2013, 12:26:13 am
Hi Melissa,
There is a very recommendable dirt road between Winston and Holbrook to bypass about 30 miles of the I-40.  It has a top-quality surface and is very quiet. See my notes and pictures in www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=1&page_id=323372&v=2i

Today I cycled the section between Gallup and Grants-NM. Having cycled fearlessly through LA, I have to say that I found the I-40 in New Mexico between Exit-36 and Exit-44 very scary. The shoulder is almost unrideable, so you have cycle close to the white line. Big trucks are passing in touching distance. Either the shoulder should be repaired or ACA should opt here for a safe but long bypass. Between Exit-44 and Exit-47 the shoulder was OK. From Exit-47 the very good and quiet road NM-122 runs to Grants.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mmoser on May 06, 2013, 11:41:52 am
Hi Mathieu,

Thanks for these recommendations!   I'll check out your crazyguyonabike blog and again, may get in touch if we decide to use this as an alternate. 

For the section between Grants and Gallup, we came to the same conclusion about the safety of that interstate segment and plan to avoid it.  Very scary indeed!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jamawani on May 06, 2013, 12:12:26 pm
It is regrettable that the need to follow an exact routing
takes precedence over the quality of the cycling experience, itself.

In the case of northeast and northwest New Mexico -
One can ride from the Grand Canyon via Cameron, Tuba City, and Second Mesa,
To Window Rock and Crownpoint with variation from there either to Abq or Santa Fe.
All paved with short dirt segments to nearby sites such as the spectacular Chaco Canyon ruins.

Taking such an alternative will give the cyclist the "feel" of a trip in the 1930s -
Even though the exact routing is slightly different.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on May 09, 2013, 10:45:36 am
Hi jamawani,

It is regrettable that the need to follow an exact routing
takes precedence over the quality of the cycling experience, itself.

With historic routes like this we have to walk a line between remaining true to the route as prescribed through history while creating an experience a traveling cyclist would enjoy. What we've learned from creating historic routes is that the people who are interested in the history tend to want to stay as close to it as possible, no matter what. Safety, closely followed by services, is usually the biggest factor we consider when we decide to deviate from that. I agree, your suggested routing might feel a bit more like traveling in the 1930's. It's not clear to me that's what people are looking for by retracing Route 66. Also, your alternative has unpaved sections. According to our latest survey, our membership is still mostly interested in riding on pavement.

None of this means we won't consider including mapped or suggested alternates in the final product. The Lewis & Clark Bicycle Trail route has multiple alternates and spurs in order to preserve as much of the historic information as we could. These factors will all be considered when the route is actually laid out.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: Kamper Kompanion Rv Park on May 12, 2013, 09:32:37 am
Please be aware Kamper Kompanion Rv Park Litchfield, Ill Is giving the camping rate for all bicylclist traveling per bike on route 66 a rate of $6.66 for one night tent camping. Free coffee.

Kamper kompanion Rv Park
18388 E. Frontage Rd.
Litchfield, Ill 62056
217-324-4747
kamperkompanion@royell.net
On I55 exit 60
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on May 14, 2013, 09:09:33 am
Please be aware Kamper Kompanion Rv Park Litchfield, Ill Is giving the camping rate for all bicylclist traveling per bike on route 66 a rate of $6.66 for one night tent camping. Free coffee.

Kamper kompanion Rv Park
18388 E. Frontage Rd.
Litchfield, Ill 62056
217-324-4747
kamperkompanion@royell.net
On I55 exit 60

Thanks for writing in with your information. I have passed it along to the cartographer working with this stretch of our Bicycle Route 66 route so it can be included on the map.

Best,
.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jamawani on May 14, 2013, 12:07:07 pm
Jennifer -

There are no unpaved sections on the stretch I outlined.  I've ridden it.
You can ride all the way from the Grand Canyon thru Window Rock to Abiquiu.
All pavement, low traffic.  Services comparable to the Western Express.

The unpaved part is a zag to Chaco Canyon NHP.  Well worth it.
This park includes some of the oldest and most extensive ancient Puebloan ruins.
Speaking of history.  And I do teach college history.

The fact is - Route 66 in Arizona and New Mexico has largely disappeared under I-40 since the 1970s.
Yes, there is the fabulous section thru Peach Springs.  But between Flagstaff and Albuquerque it is questionable.
In many places the old road from the 1930s is a streak in the desert.
Where there are maintained sections, they often dead-end at a fence on the interstate.
And when there is a usable service road, it can be right next to 20,000 vehicles on I-40.

Nearly everyone who has tried to ride Route 66 has complained about this section.
If you reroute a little bit - i.e. onto Townsend Winona Rd - you are already "off route".
And if you are riding on I-40, you are certainly not riding on historic Route 66.

Although I am not absolutely against riding on an interstate - it defeats the purpose of touring IMO.
I won't detour 100 miles to avoid 5 miles of interstate riding where it's the only option - -
But to plan a route that includes considerable mileage of interstate and service road riding is less than ideal.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mathieu on May 15, 2013, 09:37:49 am
Jennifer,
I won't take issue on the principal route choice. Given that the ACA route will follow the historic Rt-66 as close as possible, I hope that there will be suggested alternates for the noise, smells and spoiled views on the roads running in close proximity of I-40. Between Elk City and Clinton-OK there is a 30 miles long quiet paved backcountry road. On Google Maps it is signed as E1120 Rd, but all local road signs that I saw had EW-112 on it. Sorry, if this duplicates suggestions already made, but I have not seen any proposals for Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on May 16, 2013, 10:37:58 am
Hi mathieu,

I won't take issue on the principal route choice. Given that the ACA route will follow the historic Rt-66 as close as possible, I hope that there will be suggested alternates for the noise, smells and spoiled views on the roads running in close proximity of I-40. Between Elk City and Clinton-OK there is a 30 miles long quiet paved backcountry road. On Google Maps it is signed as E1120 Rd, but all local road signs that I saw had EW-112 on it. Sorry, if this duplicates suggestions already made, but I have not seen any proposals for Oklahoma.

I will pass this along to the cartographer working on this part of the route so he can compare what was researched to your suggestion.

Thanks,
.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on May 16, 2013, 11:17:42 am
jamawani,

There are no unpaved sections on the stretch I outlined.  I've ridden it.
You can ride all the way from the Grand Canyon thru Window Rock to Abiquiu.
All pavement, low traffic.  Services comparable to the Western Express.

The unpaved part is a zag to Chaco Canyon NHP.  Well worth it.
This park includes some of the oldest and most extensive ancient Puebloan ruins.

Sorry, I either misinterpreted your earlier suggestion or was confusing it with a different post altogether. I agree, Chaco is amazing. My husband went there a couple of years ago, truly fascinating place. There is an alternate on the GDMBR that passes near it.

Quote
Speaking of history.  And I do teach college history.

The fact is - Route 66 in Arizona and New Mexico has largely disappeared under I-40 since the 1970s.
Yes, there is the fabulous section thru Peach Springs.  But between Flagstaff and Albuquerque it is questionable.
In many places the old road from the 1930s is a streak in the desert.
Where there are maintained sections, they often dead-end at a fence on the interstate.
And when there is a usable service road, it can be right next to 20,000 vehicles on I-40.

Nearly everyone who has tried to ride Route 66 has complained about this section.
If you reroute a little bit - i.e. onto Townsend Winona Rd - you are already "off route".
And if you are riding on I-40, you are certainly not riding on historic Route 66.

Although I am not absolutely against riding on an interstate - it defeats the purpose of touring IMO.
I won't detour 100 miles to avoid 5 miles of interstate riding where it's the only option - -
But to plan a route that includes considerable mileage of interstate and service road riding is less than ideal.

These are all good points. We are not adverse to offering alternates -- paved and unpaved. This route has not been completely laid out yet and there may be a way to incorporate your suggestions as one. I just don't know at this moment. I do appreciate you for chiming in on the topic.

Best,
.Jennifer.

Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: mathieu on June 07, 2013, 01:56:58 am
Having completed the ride from LA to Chicago, I have to agree with the tenor of several comments made by jamawani : the Interstate is a kind of barbed-wire fence that continuously frustrates a free cycling adventure. I hope that ACA somehow takes this into account in drawing a Bike Route 66.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: BikingBrian on June 23, 2013, 12:57:21 am
I don't know what ACA has planned for the route between Ash Fork - AZ and Williams - AZ. As far as I know the original Route 66 is completely replaced by Interstate 40. To bypass this 19 mile long section involving 1600 ft of climbing, I took today County Rd 142, also signed as Double A Ranch Rd, out of Ash Fork. After 4.8 mi the road changes to FR-124 but keeps its name Double A Ranch Rd. It soon becomes a dirt road with a solid red-brick surface, until it gets paved again a couple of miles before Williams. It is a rolling, very scenic road. Of course it also involves at least 1600 ft of climbing and totals 29 miles, but in a quiet setting without diesel fumes. Dirt roads are also less risky for punctures than the shoulders of Interstates. Part of FR-124 runs along the Santa Fe railway. I saw 8 freight trains passing in the 2 hours I was on this road, more than the number of cars and motorcycles. There is no way of getting lost if you keep the two numbers County Rd 142 and FR-124 in mind, because the main road is much broader and much better maintained than the side roads ending on it. While a dirt road may not be liked by all cyclists, I would recommend it at least for eastbound Route 66 travel. Westbounders might try to outpace the heavy trucks on the Interstate.

I've cycled Route 66 from Flagstaff, AZ to Barstow, CA on this tour: http://www.bikingbrian.com/tag/route66tour2010/

I've done the Williams to Ash Fork section twice. The first time was late in the day, and we had such a strong headwind that we couldn't go faster than 15 mph - even on a fully loaded tandem. I wish we were going uphill eastbound to have a tailwind.  ;D The second time was late morning, and I had no such problems with the wind. In general, I've found the I-40 shoulders in Arizona to be quite excellent. 

But I-40 shoulders in New Mexico, well that's another story. I was on a business trip to Gallup, NM and saw the abysmal condition of the shoulder when driving back to Albuquerque. But then I saw this route <http://www.bicyclemaps.org/rt66/Route_66/Welcome.html> which looked encouraging. Following an older Route 66 alignment is "legitimate" to me because it is still in the spirit of seeing the history.

I put Route 66 east of Flagstaff on hold because I just wasn't excited about riding large sections of I-40, even with the possibility of combining with a business trip to NM. But I'm encouraged that there may be some creative alternates, so I am waiting for the maps with excitement!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: OldDogBC on February 26, 2014, 07:18:57 pm
Good Evening!

I'm route planning for an April 2015 Southern California to Bar Harbor, ME trip and was wondering if the Route 66 map project was still scheduled for publishing this year? Just curious and hoping it will provide options / detail for the CA - AZ- NM part of the journey.

Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: JMilyko on February 27, 2014, 08:44:41 am
Hello OldDogBC,

I'm route planning for an April 2015 Southern California to Bar Harbor, ME trip and was wondering if the Route 66 map project was still scheduled for publishing this year? Just curious and hoping it will provide options / detail for the CA - AZ- NM part of the journey.

We are just finishing the layout of the Bicycle Route 66 maps. The intended publication date of the maps is targeted for early 2015.

.Jennifer.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: OldDogBC on February 28, 2014, 01:13:51 am
Thank you and looking forward to the route maps!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: OldDogBC on March 16, 2014, 11:00:58 pm
It is regrettable that the need to follow an exact routing
takes precedence over the quality of the cycling experience, itself.

In the case of northeast and northwest New Mexico -
One can ride from the Grand Canyon via Cameron, Tuba City, and Second Mesa,
To Window Rock and Crownpoint with variation from there either to Abq or Santa Fe.
All paved with short dirt segments to nearby sites such as the spectacular Chaco Canyon ruins.

Taking such an alternative will give the cyclist the "feel" of a trip in the 1930s -
Even though the exact routing is slightly different.

Hi jamawani. Could you provide the highway numbers or road names for the routes above? I'm working on routing through this area for a Coast to Coast next year. In another post you mentioned that services are similar to other ACA routes. Do you have any of that detail? Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: bgphelps2 on October 02, 2014, 09:52:52 pm
I just recently rode my touring bike on route 66 from ABQ to Gallup, NM.  When the road was paved, it was a good ride for the most part. But it was very disjointed! It ended abruptly and I had to get on I-40. When I got to Grants, I discovered from the State Police that it was illegal for me to ride on I-40!  Excuse me!!!! The bike shop in ABQ, the NM Bike Coord and everyone I talked to about directions knew my routes and said nothing about it. Yeah, I-40 is wild and crazy for a cyclist but at least it has shoulder.  The legality of riding I-40 because Route 66 ends is a whole other issue ACA.

I wonder how the ACA is planning their Route 66 through NM because it is very disjointed. The road out to Crownpoint was endless.  The 20 mile dirt road out to Chaco was in fair condition with a washboard surface.  I rented a minivan for that excursion. If I had tried it with my touring bike with 700x32's, I would be blithering idiot now. It is a spectacular site but a mountain bike would be the preferred and smart bike to choose.

So ACA, I'd like to see a draft of your planned Route 66 through NM.  Downtown Grants main street had a new surface which was very rough and uncomfortable for touring or road bikes.

Route 66 has a lot of potential as a bicycle route but I was skeptical to its relevance as a scenic, historical bicycle route.  In NM, most of the 'iconic' places are demo'd or closed up.  Only geezers, much older than I who have once been there, would attribute any importance to the sites.  But they wouldn't be on bicycles or motorcycles. 

As just a cycling road, yes, Route 66 has relevance.  But not to the majority of cyclists going on it. I think it's historical relevance is for the older geezers in their motorcars, not on bicycles.

But what do I know? I don't know the purpose or plans of the ACA concerning Route 66.  Somehow, I know they will do a good job though anyway.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: jamawani on October 04, 2014, 02:26:23 am
BG -

As I have said many times before, a route that attempts to follow Historic Route 66 religiously will be very disappointing for cyclists. The two main reasons are 1) There are many places where I-40 or other interstates have been built over the old route with no parallel route - so you have to ride on the interstate. 2) Where there is a parallel road, it is often a service road to the interstate with all the noise and ugliness of the interstate - plus often a pretty lousy riding surface.

I have argued for a route that attempts to recreate the "feel" of Historic Route 66 in New Mexico and Arizona rather than the actual physical route. (Not to mention that the physical route changed many times.) This would involve, perhaps, riding from Abiquiu to Cuba to Crownpoint to Gallup, then riding via Window Rock and Second Mesa to Tuba City and the Grand Canyon.
Title: Re: Welcome to Bicycle Route 66!
Post by: sam21fire on October 18, 2014, 05:39:55 pm
I'm hopeful..but not expectant...that this sort of project will generate enough publicity and thus funding to improve the road condition for a large part of this route.  I just finished riding from Hesperia to Goffs in SoCal and most of that section is poor with parts being almost unridable.   Here's a crazyguy link to my blog for the trip.  Feel free to email me if you have any other questions at sam21fire at gmail.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/MojaveDesert

Sam