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Gear Talk / Re: The Newer Cro-Mo Steel Frames
« on: August 02, 2016, 12:41:56 am »
Keep in mind that real Cro-Mo steel is essentially the highest quality steel there is.  It's used to make rifle barrels to include the largest cannons, steel aircraft frames, axles etc. etc.  anywhere high strength to weight ratio is required.  The real stuff is expensive and if you're making it you will get it certified so you can sell to the market.

Gear Talk / Re: The Newer Cro-Mo Steel Frames
« on: August 02, 2016, 12:32:05 am »
Da no,

But if you ask Surly is it certified to meet SAE or ANSI standards the answer is "no".  I contacted one of the manufactures mentioned above and verified that their tubing met no standard so even going down the valid path of which cro-Mo alloy is best for which application is just not worth considering with these frames. 

This all said please take note that nowhere did I say these mid level steel frames were not good.  For their price point they are very very good and get the job done.  But I think I'm making a valid, applicable point.

Gear Talk / Re: The Newer Cro-Mo Steel Frames
« on: August 01, 2016, 10:00:30 am »
The facts are there already folks.  Makers such as trek, surly, salsa and others are stating bikes are made from Cro-Mo steel and laymen such as the people who have responded to my post believe that all Cro-Mo steels are the same.  The fact is that without some sort of certification I can call anything I want to cro-Mo steel.  And the cro-mo steel they are using has no certifications.  Those are the facts like it or not.  I'm not a conspiracy theorist.  Uncertified cro-Mo steel is not a commodity item.  I guess I'm living in a fantasy world called, "reality". 

Some of the responses to this post are WAY out in left field and just not worth answering.

Gear Talk / Re: The Newer Cro-Mo Steel Frames
« on: July 31, 2016, 11:47:16 am »
 A touring frame can be made that will survive the loads from steel that is not as good as real Cr-Mo but it will be heavier.  Who is to say that is not what is going on?  Actually I do believe Surly and Trek are deceiving.  They claim its Cro-Mo steel but it has not been verified to be Cro-Mo steel.  It meets no specifications that are accepted by the industry.  If you want to believe it's Cro-Mo steel that's up to you.  Think about it.  If you are a manufacturer of Cro-Mo steel tubing wouldn't you have it certified by to some standard to prove it?

Gear Talk / The Newer Cro-Mo Steel Frames
« on: July 27, 2016, 03:35:26 pm »
Have you noticed that the entry level steel touring bike/frame makers come up with their own cool sounding name for their "Cro-Mo" tubing?  I believe that this is because they're sourcing tubing from parts of the world that has not been certified by any recognized agency that cerifies Cro-Mo tubing.  So if the tubing has not been certified to meet any sort of ANSI standard then is it really Cro-Mo tubing?  I say no, it isn't, else the manufacturer would advertise that fact.  I believe this is why the old steel bikes made with the real stuff, Tange, Tru-Temp, Reynolds etc. have skyrocketed in price.  Something to ponder.

Routes / La Route Verte Montreal to Rimouski
« on: July 24, 2016, 07:31:46 pm »
Just finished it and had an awesome time.  Much more camping available east of Quebec City.  Met lots of interesting cyclists and local people.  The locals want to help too much sometimes.  I always start out with "excuse je ne parle le Francais. Vous parle anglais?"  And you're good to go.  Seemed perfectly safe and saw a few single females riding by themselves with no issues.  Bring your bug juice and a tent that can stand up to wind and rain.  Food is readily available along the way.  This trip changed my life as all good experiences do.

I was turned down at multiple community centers due to local kids having camps (understandable) and asked about churches and nobody said cyclists could stay there.  I never went in to the churches and asked though.

I found many more campgrounds east of Quebec City and its not a problem there.  Ended up staying at a hotel for one night in Sorrell Tracy because I could find no camping.

You helped me immensely.  Thank you!


I'm not seeing any campgrounds between Montreal and Quebec City on the Route Verte.  Does anybody know what the options are?

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