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Routes / Re: East to West or West to East
« on: June 28, 2014, 01:28:56 am »
Out of curiosity, what and how did you determine this?  For instance was the wind out of the E @ 8mph average and W @ 8.5mph average or was it 51% out of the west and 49% of the east but the wind was stronger out of the west for instance, and/or east of the Mississippi, it blew westerly and vice versa? Sort of a really neat study you did!  Any summary you can provide?

For me, the sun is a factor (hard on my eyes) so I tend to ride west or north given a chance.  However, never ride the west coast northbound (from experience)!


Connecting ACA Routes / Re: Steamboat to landers w/o rabbit ears pass
« on: June 17, 2014, 12:50:57 am »
Only one real paved route.  Head west to Craig, CO, north to I-80, east to Rawlins (legal to ride on I-80 here) totaling 159 miles.

While you specifically requested paved, you might consider some unpaved options such as heading north on CR-129 to WY-70 east to Encampment north to I-80 west to Rawlins totaling 158 miles of which 28 are unpaved but decent in dry weather.  With a decent touring tire (not a thin racing tire), you would be fine.  Second route is much more scenic.  A third option is follow the Great Divide for 128 miles of which 58 are decent unpaved roads.  Most scenic.  Again, with a 32-35mm touring tire, you would be fine.

Routes / Re: To Detroit from Pittsburgh
« on: June 04, 2014, 04:53:33 pm »
Looking at Google maps, I see there is a rail trail most of the way to Stubenville (bonus is you can be in three states in one day!), then ride over toward New Philadelphia (partly on a rail trail), then head north toward Cleveland (again, partly on a rail trail but I think it is not that good south of Canton???) then west over toward Detroit via the NT or UGRR Detroit section.  You can get a map mailed to you via General Delivery at any US post office.

Sorry I can't help you more.

Routes / Re: To Detroit from Pittsburgh
« on: June 04, 2014, 04:33:25 pm »
Have you looked at ACA's routes?  You can get to Cleveland from Detroit via Canada or the US.  From there you can go toward Erie, PA, and connect with the UGRR Spur into Pittsburgh.

If you have and do not like those routes, Ohio has many rail trails.  Search online and see what you get.

Routes / Re: Hi bemidji to denver
« on: May 16, 2014, 07:52:14 pm »
My routes pretty much go North/South in that part of the country (not too many diagonal roads).  If you get over to Fargo, I can get you south to Glenwood, IA then west over to Holdredge, NE.  After that, my routes tend to go WNW or WSW to Cheyenne, WY or Colorado Springs.  If you want those routes, email me privately at j0hn _at_ nettlesfamily then com (hate spammers).  However, it will take an hour or two to write it up so please do not request unless there is a good chance you will use.  John

Routes / Re: Hi bemidji to denver
« on: May 16, 2014, 06:22:06 pm »

Look up "Bicycle Maps" for the various states you would like to ride through, i.e. "Bicycle Maps Nebraska" and see what you can find as most states have a bicycle map online showing things like traffic counts, some services, etc.  In that part of the country, most county roads are low-traffic so probably no worries.  Your biggest problem is to ensure you do through a big enough town periodically to get groceries as rural America is rapidly de-populating and the services along with it.

Happy Trails, John

Routes / Re: Fargo, ND to Manitowoc, WI
« on: May 03, 2014, 01:38:16 pm »
I would recommend you look at the Wisconsin Bike Maps by county and review the various counties along your proposed route.  You could get over to Menomonie, WI, and take the rail trail to Eau Claire then make it over to Wausau and take the rail trails over to Green Bay then Brillion at which point you make it over to Manitowoc.

If you prefer to ride along the Mississippi (following ACA's Great Rivers route), I have a route going from La Crosse to Manitowoc.  Contact me privately for the route.

Wisconsin is a great state to ride in, enjoy the ride!


Routes / Re: Geronimo Trail
« on: April 24, 2014, 08:26:33 am »
I too am considering it for a future ride.  So far, I know it is 79 miles.  From Animas (not much there other than a cafe and CS), (BTW, nothing between Lordsburg and Animas either), the first 20 miles are paved.  At mile 28.7 is a stock pond.  At Mile 48 is a ranch or Border Patrol station (not sure which).  At mile 74 another 5 miles of pavement start.   Water may not be an issue if you can ask for some from the ever-present border patrol trucks going by.  Sorry I can't help more.

It depends on what you mean by road friendly.  Yes, you could ride most of the route.  However, I would suggest you take the paved alternate route from Kremmling to the Steamboat as that section going up from the river is a little rough.  North of Steamboat, the road is paved for the first 30ish miles.  Gravel to Wyoming, some paved, then once you start the gravel again (Aspen Alley) it is gravel until about 3/4 way to Rawlins.  Also, you know you can go from Silverthorne to Kremmling via paved roads.

All that said, you can also consider the great bike trail from Frisco (Silverthorne to Vail).  Continue on the path to to CO-131 (west of Edwards) and then north to Steamboat.  If you wanted part of the GD, once on CO-131, head east on CR-134 (near Topanos) until you connect with the GD at CR-16 which is nice (gravel, but doable).

I replied to your message.  You can also contact me directly at J0hn at nettles family com (no space between nettles and family).

If you decide to go to Tishomingo, MS, on the Natchez Trace, I can get you to Asheville on lower-traffic roads.

I can also get you to Tuscaloosa from Kosciusko (also on Natchez Trace).

If you can get from Tuscaloosa to Weaver, AL, you can take the Chief Ladiga Trail (a paved rail trail) to Smyrna, GA (NW of Atlanta) where you can connect to other trails to get you to Coventry, GA.  If you can get from Coventry to anywhere between Seneca, SC and Highlands, NC, I can get you to Asheville on lower-traffic roads.

From Front Royal, you can take the W&OD paved trail to Washington, DC (trail starts in Purcellville, VA) where you can connect with Atlantic Coast Route which would bisect the Canal Trail.  Another option is to ride along the coast in NJ and come thru NYC that way (via ferry on the rough parts) and take the various trails north of NYC to Poughkeepsie and connect with the AC route there.

If any of these sound good, contact me privately and I will see about getting you the route.


Routes / Re: East Coast to West Coast Trip
« on: March 26, 2014, 12:03:22 pm »
Got it.  Since everyone's goals are different, in 35 years of touring, I have not heard of a program that exists.  Basically, you will need to buy the individual map segments you need, review them, make a rough draft of your itinerary to see where you can be each day based on your individual needs.  There are way to many variable to do a realistic program.  For instance, you may need a motel and/or restaurant at the end of your daily goal but only a campground exists.  Therefore, you will need to decide what is best for you, cutting the daily distance or going longer.  If it is very hilly, you may choose shorter.  If flat and you have a tailwind, go longer.  But you need to visit Aunt Sally who lives 20 miles off route also.  This is why a program doesn't work.

Realize, no plan will survive a few days it seems so just be familiar with what you can do and what you want to do.

Again, best wishes!

Routes / Re: East Coast to West Coast Trip
« on: March 26, 2014, 11:27:58 am »
I am not trying to sound rude, but you have checked out the ACA maps, correct?  If so, I am confused as to what you are asking.

In either case, based on your pretty ambitious goal of a 30-day crossing and ending at the Golden Gate, you will almost need to do something very similar to the TransAm route to Pueblo where you connect to the Western Express.

Best wishes!

Using the AL and MS traffic count maps and google streetmaps, I came up with a quick route.

Aliceville to Pickensville via Sapps Road (low traffic county road) to AL-86 (low traffic state road).  Pickensville to Brooksville via MS-388.  Brooksville to Louisville via Lynn Creek Rd and Brooksville/Louisville Rd (all low traffic county roads).  Louisville to Kosciusko is MS-14 (low traffic after you get out of town a couple of miles) to Knox Rd (county road about a mile before MS-19).

By low traffic I mean sub-2000 average vehicles per day.  A lot of the county roads are sub-1000.  This was compiled by using the AL and MS traffic count maps and google streetmaps.

Remember, you get what you pay for .  If you use it, please post how it went.

Bicycle Route 66 / Re: Route 66 - Sullivan to Marshfield Mo
« on: March 11, 2014, 11:27:19 pm »
While I do not have topo maps, I have driven the I-40 numerous times between Tulsa and St. Louis.  The route you want is in the hear of the Ozarks so you will be either going up 300 foot in elevation or down 300 foot in elevation.  It gets a little better toward Marshfield.

If you are concerned about hills, I would suggest you take the Katy Trail to Clinton and from there I can get you a detailed cue sheet to Girard, KS.  Much flatter.  Only a day or two of a few noteworthy hills.

Happy Riding, John

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