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Routes / Re: Gravel roads/ alternatives on the Pacific Coast Route
« on: May 04, 2017, 04:53:35 pm »
There's an interesting detour off 101 just south of Klamath. see this It has some gorgeous pavement but once you reach the coastal cliff the road is essentially been left to slide down the cliff. It is rideable but will require a little hiker-biking. Once past the slide spots you return to some fabulous abandoned road connecting to the parkway. It beats slogging along 101 . .

This is the old Highway 101 alignment. When you reach the left turn to head out to the coast you will see the remnants of the old bridge across the Klamath. The old bridge was washed out during the floods of 1964 - there's an information board that tells that story.

edit: I've added photos to the RidewithGPS page


Are there any long tunnels on the Pacific Coast route?

There are two tunnels in Oregon, neither particularly long. The northern tunnel, Arch Rock, isn't that long but it has a bend in it (i.e. you can't see the other end) and is slightly uphill. There's a button for the warning lights and supposedly vehicles are limited to 35 mph- good luck with that. The warning lights are not on long enough if you're heavily loaded or just plain slow or both. The second tunnel at Heceta Head is a short and straight - no issues there. The only other tunnel (Tom Lantos Tunnel)  is in CA north of Montara (Half Moon Bay). It is long but has really wide shoulders. But you don't have to take that as you can take the Devil's Slide trail (old highway) - if it's open. All three are well lit.

Just my opinion . . You shouldn't need a headlight in July. A tail light however is strongly advised for the tunnels as mentioned. Given that the coast can be foggy that time of year, a tail light is a definite plus. As to a mirror, that's a personal preference that is always hotly debated (along with helmets). I ride with a mirror mounted on my sunglasses. It makes it easy to maneuver the mirror to see what's behind me, keeps my head pointed the right way, and significantly reduces my neck strain. I have no preference for handlebar mounted mirrors, as looking down instead of forward isn't so great (my opinion). You should try the mirror of your choice before your trip to see what works best for you. It's good to know when those semis are coming up.

Santa Rosa, CA

Looking at the alternative route through the Salinas Valley proposed by the ACA, I'm thinking of allowing three days to do this.
The first part looks fairly flat, so I'm thinking perhaps a 60 mile first day and stop overnight in King City.  Any thoughts on this? Is this a good place to stop over? It has both campsites and motels.
After that the route is more challenging so perhaps a second day of 40 miles and stop over near Lake Nacimiento, again, there seem to be reasonable facilities there.  Final day about 40 miles again into Cambria.
Any thoughts/advice appreciated.

Correct - the first part is fairly flat. Note too that there is a fair amount of ag traffic on this road. King City is pretty quiet these days. Yes, there are motels, don't know about the campgrounds, and haven't stayed in either in King City. As an alternate you could consider riding out to Arroyo Seco instead of shooting for King City. If you do, the next day you can skip crossing over to the east side of the valley and detour on Central Ave, ride a short stretch of 101 and pickup Jolon Road without crossing the river.
As for the second day, yes it is more challenging. Way fewer options for supplies along the route. There is no store in Jolon (at least there wasn't the last time I was there). There is or used to be a campground just inside the gate Hunter-Liggett - I don't know if it is still open to the public. If you go in the gate, you will need an official ID - not like the old days. There is a store at Lockwood. Continuing on, it's a pretty stiff climb to Lake Nacimiento. Facilities at LN aren't cheap and the boat noise on the lake can be annoying. But it's at least a place to stay - there aren't many options here unless you go into Paso.
As for the third leg, to go into Cambria, you can take Santa Rosa Creek Road. Has a short wall on it and a some steep tube-popping descents. It has also suffered some storm damage as well. Best to check locally before taking that road. Otherwise it's CA 46 to CA 1 and then you can choose whether to go north to Cambria or south to Cayucos (and Morro Bay SP).

Just one other word of caution - The Northerly wind blows mighty hard through the Salinas Valley in the afternoons. That's fine if you're headed southbound, but you northbound riders might want to keep that in mind and get an earlier start.


From the Pacific Coast Section 4 addenda (2/27/17):

It is unknown when the bridge will be replaced. Due to a lack of nearby roads, an extensive reroute is required. The reroute is 145.7 mi. and can be found at this RideWithGPS link: It is about 30 miles longer than the Pacific Coast route. It begins on map 46 in Marina and ends on map 51 south of Cayucos. Services are limited for the 60 miles between King City and Paso Robles. Also, because this route travels inland, the weather will be significantly different than that on the coast. It will typically be drier and up to 20 degrees hotter.


Just a suggestion - just past mile 136 on your route is the intersection for Santa Rosa Creek Rd / Old Creek Rd.. Take the left at Old Creek and enjoy a quiet descent and short cut to Cayucos. Part of the SLO bike club's Lighthouse Century. YMMV.


Routes / Rumble Strips on Western Express?
« on: March 24, 2017, 07:53:16 pm »
This arrived in the local chat list. CA 88 is the concern. Hopefully they'll take comments after 23 March [apologies for the late post].

From: Sos, Austin@DOT<>
Date: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:04 PM
Subject: EA 10-1C430 Rumble Strip project in Amador and Alpine Counties

Hi all,
Attached is a project with proposed centerline,edgeline, and shoulder rumble strip locations on SR 16, 49, 88, and 104 in Amador and Alpine Counties. . Any location specific feedback on this project you can provide may assist Caltrans in the design phase of the project. You can see the project locations by looking at the attached document and a google map - link->.
Here is the legend for the map:
Green--Centerline rumble strips
Red--Edgeline rumble strips
Yellow--Centerline and Shoulder rumble strips
Blue--Centerline and Edgeline rumble strips
If you have any comments on the project, please email them to me by March 23.
Austin Sos
Native American Liason • Office of Rural Planning
Caltrans District 10
1976 E. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.,
Stockton, CA, 95205-7015
711 TTY

Routes / Re: Pfeiffer Bridge at Big Sur work around
« on: March 24, 2017, 07:28:47 pm »
You can always check this for the latest CA road conditions and pan to the coast area. It doesn't show local road closures.

As for the route proposed by Bclayden, it's a wonderful route. N-F through Hunter-Liggett is pretty sweet. I'd check with Monterey County though as to road conditions. It also drops you right into Kirk Creek Campground.

Santa Rosa, CA

Routes / Re: Why does the PC route bypass Olympic Peninsula?
« on: August 21, 2016, 06:42:53 pm »
Interesting discussion. I too have ridden both Lake Crescent (2009) and 112-113 (2014) and chipped in with comments as appropriate in this forum. We've been spending a lot of time in that area in the last 6-7 years and love riding in the area. I'm surprised to not see any mention of the Olympic Discovery Trail ( as an alternative route. [I have issues with the ODT around Sequim but that's another matter.] Sure the two tunnels are not open yet, but when they are, avoiding Lake Crescent will be a no brainer. The west end at Lake Crescent is paved and looks pretty sweet. The stretch from PA out to Joyce is darn nice as well. It's just the gap between the two . .  As to the nature of traffic along Lake Crescent it certainly is no worse, and in my mind, a whole lot better, than riding through Sea Ranch in CA where there has been no upgrade on CA 1 since Sea Ranch was built. And yes, the clearcuts in the area suck and do detract from both routes. YMMV.

Since we've traveled to Port Townsend several times in the last three years, we've driven the stretch along Hood Canal - other than the proximity of campgrounds I wouldn't take it over the peninsula route - way more traffic (and fast) and so-so shoulders. Certainly scenic enough.

Count me in the camp that favors riding the Peninsula and taking in the side trips, if you can. The part that does rub me the wrong way is the lack of HB camping sites at both Kalaloch and Hoh (not to mention a lack of showers). Sure would like to see ACA put some pressure on the Park Service on this. Riding 18 miles one way from 101 to the Hoh to not find a camping spot is not acceptable.

Santa Rosa, CA

Addendum: see this for trail status

Of note from that page is this:
Hwy 112 and Lake Crescent to Cooper Ranch Rd

Work is continuing along the Waterline Route, which will connect from Hwy 112, via Gossett Rd, to the East Beach trailhead on Lake Crescent. Current effort is on opening the section of old RR grade from the south end of Gossett Rd to the Waterline Road. When completed this will become the ODT route, replacing the temporary Joyce-Piedmont Rd. route. (posted July, 2015)

The Spruce RR segment construction is now complete from East Beach Trailhead to the old RR grade, except for paving. Paving will be the final step when all construction is complete, about 2018-19. The trail is open now, and users can connect through to SolDuc Rd and beyond using the old (rough) single track path through the tunnel area. This section will be closed summer 2016 for construction through the first tunnel. Specific closure dates will be posted here when available. (posted Jan 2016)

The 2 mile connecting segment, from the Hwy 101 crossing west of SolDuc Rd to the SolDuc bridge, has completed design and should be in construction summer 2016. In the meantime, use the shoulders of Hwy 101 and the 2918 Rd to connect between existing trail segments.

The trail from the 2918 Road (Sol Duc Bridge) to Cooper Ranch Rd Trailhead will be subject to temporary closures between May 12 and about Sept 1 2016, due to selective logging adjacent to the trail and some hauling on the shared (wide) section of the trail. Closures will be posted at both ends of this section and trail users can detour by using the shoulders of Hwy 101 between the FS 2918 road and Cooper Ranch Rd. There will be no closures on weekends or Federal holidays. (Posted May 2016)

Major construction work has been announced for Hwy 101 along the south shore of Lake Crescent for 2017 and 2018. We do not expect any significant widening but the shoulder paving should be repaired. There will be periods of closure of Hwy 101 with traffic rerouted to Hwy 112. These may coincide with closure of the trail on the north shore as part of the tunnel reconstruction, in which case the bike alternate will have to be Hwy 112 (there is no other way through). Closure dates for both will be posted here as they are announced. (posted May 2015)

Just from the blog, I'd say that looks pretty cool. Looking forward to the Pac Coast and WE versions.


General Discussion / Re: Black Hills Mickelson Trail and 38C tires
« on: April 27, 2016, 03:42:12 pm »
We rode the trail - Custer to Hill City and back - in 2006 on a tandem with 30c cyclocross tires. Other than one soft spot, it worked well, though we had to work for it. Look forward to riding more of it one of these days . . .

Santa Rosa, CA

Gear Talk / Re: Bike pump for Big Agnes air mattress
« on: February 24, 2016, 06:35:43 pm »
I've used a fit ball pump with a piece of 5/8" i.d. poly tubing to connect the pump to the mattress. After a long day, who wants to waste themselves blowing up the pad? for me, worth the space and the weight (negligible). BTW, notice any issue with the pad squeaking on the tent floor?

Santa Rosa, CA

Routes / Re: Anyone ride on 101 along Lake Crescent in Washington
« on: September 04, 2015, 05:07:03 pm »
I've ridden both 101 at Lake Crescent and 113/112. I agree with AdventurePDX - do it early but that may not help. I don't think the Lake Crescent route is that dangerous but maybe that's just me. The gyppo logger trucks are back in business and that does change the equation. They are not that frequent and if you're attentive to your situation you can make it work. Unfortunately westbound is easier than eastbound. The shoulders are tight, that's why there are warning lights. But there are pullouts that you can use as needed. I just think 113/112 is a nasty slog with many bad shoulders, hard climbs, and more logging trucks.

You said CDT - do you mean ODT? The new ODT on the north side of the lake is gorgeous - you would pick it up just before the summit and descent to Lake Crescent. Have not been on the portion east of the lake - is that the portion you're concerned about? Looks like they are talking about tunnel reconstruction in future years but from reading the trail status I'm not sure I understand what is under construction now.

Routes / Re: Has anyone ridden CA hwy 70 aka the Feather River hwy
« on: August 20, 2015, 04:38:44 pm »
Actually, I don't think you will see much logging traffic - more like cargo trailers headed to Reno - both bulk and liquids. It's definitely doable. The only other caveat [for anyone else interested in this thread] is that there are two adjacent tunnels on the route in the lower section (west) that require lights. It's not that you couldn't ride without, but you would be foolish to not be well lit in these, as the easterly of the two is quite long and on a climb going east. I think the canyon is an absolutely great ride and worth the hassles. I find the squeals and eerie noises that accompany the trains threading their way through the canyon an interesting auditory experience, but that may not be everyone's cup of tea.


Routes / Re: Has anyone ridden CA hwy 70 aka the Feather River hwy
« on: August 19, 2015, 12:26:46 pm »
Yep. Tough call . . It's got a hard climb on 4 lane road to Jarbo Gap but the descent to the canyon is pretty good. There are many sections of the road with no shoulder and there is moderate to heavy truck traffic. There are many good sections of the road. It is as scenic as it can get. Once you turn off to CA 89 north the traffic drops but the shoulders don't get any better. After Greenville, there's another long climb to get up to Lake Almanor. I think it's a good route, just depends on your stomach for a tight road. If you take your time and don't mind dodging traffic every now and then, it'll work. I think it's better than CA 32. BTW, the attached pic was taken during Thanksgiving Black Friday, which is a great time to ride the canyon without any traffic.

Routes / Re: Pacific Coast Route- Smokey??? Cell phone service?
« on: August 19, 2015, 12:09:30 am »
We were in Eureka over this past weekend. The smoke was particularly bad in Garberville on Sunday when we returned home to Santa Rosa. Who knows what it will be like in September by the time you're down here and then which way the wind might be blowing. You're going to have to check the weather service forecasts to get a sense of which way the wind is blowing. They do note excessive smokey conditions in their forecasts and if you follow their Twitter feed (@NWSBayArea) they will sometimes issue satellite photos of the smoke plumes.

As for cell service, it's spotty and it will depend on your carrier. But there is fair coverage and you're not likely to be more than 10 miles one way or the other out of cell range. YMMV.

Santa Rosa, CA

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