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Gear Talk / Re: Thoughts on 2011 Salsa Fargo Complete bike build?
« on: November 24, 2010, 03:07:26 am »
Just ordered my wife the 2010 Fargo once we confirmed via test ride that a size small won't be too big for her with the big wheels. She was really excited about how stable the bike felt during the test ride.

Decided to order just the frame (and very glad they changed the paint job so we don't have matching bikes) for a couple of reasons. For starters, we're going to flat trekking bars with SRAM grip shifts and SRAM rear-deraileur. May still be having wheels built with dyno hub and, regardless, want to invest in stronger wheels right off the start. And I want that XT triple chainring.

Secondly, I want to build the bike myself to continue sharpening my own self-reliance. I'll have the shop install the headset, but ordering the parts one by one from online discounters and building the bike slowly over the winter should really help me get to know the bike and be able to repair it when the time comes.

Lastly, we're in a down-sizing phase and ordering the parts individually allows us to pay as we go with the money we get from selling things we no longer use or want.

Just a few things to consider when deciding to buy a complete bike or build up your own.

General Discussion / Re: Wii training
« on: November 24, 2010, 02:57:26 am »
I'm almost positively certain there isn't an actual cycling game that would incorporate a trainer or stationary bike, however people have had some success strapping the Wii-motes to their pedals and playing the jogging game on Wii Fit.

Sort of along those same lines, I'm really impressed with the quality of workout you can get out of EA's Active 2 for Xbox Kinect. The hard setting has me burning 250+ calories in about 35 minutes with an average HR of 141bpm. Not too bad for "playing videogames."

Routes / Re: Highway 2 in MT
« on: October 21, 2010, 12:25:28 am »
Thanks MaryK. We're planning (and halfway done saving -- woo-hoo!) for an extended round the world trip. Being that we live in western WA, the plan was to follow Northern Tier to Lake Superior, then bang a left and head up into Ontario near Thunder Bay. Long story short, following the Northern Tier route would basically be a way for us to not have to reinvent the wheel for the first 1800 miles or so. I suppose we could venture further south in MT and hit up Bozeman and Missoula, but we'll eventually have to cross the plains and, well, I imagine it doesn't quite matter where you do it, it's going to be pretty similar.

Routes / Highway 2 in MT
« on: October 20, 2010, 02:23:42 pm »
Looking at the Northern Tier route, I see it follows Highway 2 through much of eastern MT and into ND (heading east, obviously). I've done some spot-checking of this road using road view on Google Maps and it seems that there's little to no shoulder and lots of rumble strips where there is any semblance of shoulder.

I imagine the traffic is pretty light, but I also imagine it's travelling pretty fast.

Can someone who has done the Northern Tier comment on the road conditions along this stretch? I trust ACA to pick a good route, but I certainly have my concerns.

General Discussion / Re: Parking Your Car while Touring
« on: September 28, 2010, 11:20:04 pm »
Yep, Enumclaw is nice. I pass through quite often to go mountain biking out at Greenwater. Wouldn't leave my car at the fairgrounds for 3 days though. Heck no.

General Discussion / Re: Parking Your Car while Touring
« on: September 28, 2010, 03:52:50 pm »
Thanks for all the great suggestions everyone. A friend of mine had actually recently done the route we're about to do and suggested the QFC (upscale Wal-Mart) right in the town I was hoping to start/finish in. I called the manager and he said that it would be fine, to just let the mgr on weekend duty know so he doesn't have it towed.

Now let's just hope the weather holds... route tops out around 6000 feet.

General Discussion / Re: Newbie has pannier capacity question
« on: September 23, 2010, 03:34:48 am »
Just throw my .02 in here, but for quick trips like this (which is what our limited experience entails) my wife and I have been pretty fond of the Tokpeak rack and Trunk bag w/fold out panniers. The rack and bag came to about $135 total and for trips that are just 2-3 days and don't require lots of gear, they're perfect.

We're not going to take them on a Northern Tier or anything like that, but I expect to use it paired with my Burly Nomad for a 9-day tour next spring as well as our 2 nighters this fall.

General Discussion / Parking Your Car while Touring
« on: August 06, 2010, 12:10:46 pm »
Wife and I are headed out for a few days to do a loop around Mount Rainier. I did the RAMROD ride in 2008 (Ride Around Mt. Rainier in One Day) but the 150 miles and 11,000 feet of elevation gain are too much for my wife to handle (and for me to enjoy at current fitness level) in one day so we're going to take our time and do it over three days.

Question to the group: Where do you leave your car when touring? Responses specific to the Enumclaw, WA area would be wonderful, but general responses are great too. We've only done one mutli-day trip so far and it was easy -- we left our car at a ferry terminal then went island hopping in the San Juans -- but now I'm curious about other ideas. Any suggestions are appreciative.

Oh, and I'll save the inevitable "leave your car at home" reply the trouble and say we definitely plan to do that on a future trip, but we're pressed for time and can't afford the extra day it would require on each end right now. But thanks anyway.  ;D

Sanuk, there has been ample discussion about Seattle area bikeshops on the Evergreen Mtn Bike Alliance (formerly BBTC) listserve and also on the Washington forum page at

Gear Talk / Re: Salsa Fargo - Lemon of the year!
« on: July 08, 2010, 01:29:22 pm »
For what it's worth, I bought a 2009 Fargo frame/fork yesterday at an unbeatable price ($375 brand new!). It's very easy to allow a couple of negative accounts convince you to steer clear of a purchase. IThe internet has given us nothing if not the ability to cast doubt into every decision we make in life. Though I appreciate the head's up by the original poster in this thread, I decided to trust the overwhelming positivity expressed in this thread on MTBR.

I intend to take my time building it up over the fall and winter and look forward to using it on a 9-day Olympic Peninsula road/fireroad tour next summer. The speed-wobbles will surely be on my mind when I take it on the first loaded spin down a nearby hill, but I'm going to assume the problem isn't terribly common or won't rear its head for me.

And if it does... buyer beware. At least I know Tim @ salsa will likely be there to help me get it straightened out.

General Discussion / Re: How Realistic is 125 miles daily mileage?
« on: May 27, 2010, 10:36:59 am »
You can do it. If you just take your time and don't try to race it, you'll be fine. Spend 7 to 10 hours on the road, unloaded, with your fitness, and you probably can't help but hit at least 110 miles per day, and probably closer to 125 like you're shooting for.


General Discussion / Re: mountain v. road clipless shoes/pedals
« on: May 27, 2010, 10:33:40 am »
Another vote for mountain. I've been running SPD-like cleats (Time ATACs to be exact) for over a decade and can unclip and get my foot down just as fast as as anyone riding platform pedals or toe-clips. Not that I need to often, being able to track-stand for a few seconds buys you some extra time.

There were some really good points made about traction, comfort, and being able to walk around in stores (or on ferries) without looking like a duck. I have the newer Shimano Look-style pedals on one of my bikes and though the shoes are super stiff and really comfortable when pedaling, I wouldn't even consider taking them on a tour.

Just picked up a pair of the Pearl Izumi clipless sneakers and really like them so far. When touring, I don't want to look like I'm part of the spandex mafia or that I'm out for a "workout" and I really liked the blend of casual styling with moderate stiffness in the sole.

Gear Talk / Re: Kickstands?
« on: May 07, 2010, 07:02:53 pm »
Thanks everyone. That Click-stand looks like a fine solution, especially since I would otherwise be taking the kickstand on/off depending on usage and that would lead to greater chance of damage to the frame. Think we'll just go without for our trip next week and order up some click-stands when we get back.

Gear Talk / Kickstands?
« on: May 07, 2010, 12:57:28 pm »
I haven't owned a bike with a kickstand in several decades but my wife and I are setting out for our first multi-day tour around the San Juans next week and I'm starting to think a kickstand might come in handy, especially since my bike will be hooked to a Burly Nomad cargo trailer and I'd rather not have to detach it everytime I want to lay the bike down. Nor do I want to always have to lean it against something, especially if we stop at a cafe for lunch and have to leave it on the sidewalk.

Do most people tour with kickstands? If you installed one after-market, which one? Did it go on well? I'm particularly interested in those that will not mar up the surface of the frame and also be compatible with disc brakes. She's riding a 26" bike and I'm on a 29er (700c). Both mountain bikes with 1.5" touring tires.

Thanks in advance.

Gear Talk / Re: Bicycles for off-road riding
« on: April 06, 2010, 02:22:59 pm »
Regarding 700c wheels off-road... I've been riding the bigger wheels for mountain biking for 4 years now, including a 7 day 350-mile off-road tour through the Canadian Rockies in BC and a 3-day crossing of the Kokopelli Trail in CO/UT and numerous lengthy day-trips on very rugged singletrack in the Cascades and have not had a single problem with the wheels. In fact, after the first year riding the 29" wheels, I tried to go back to the 26" and just didn't feel safe anymore (mental, I know, but it is what it is). And I love how they maintain momentum through the rollers and on pavement or forest road.

If you get them built good and solid (I have Bontrager Mustang OSB rims) the chance of tacoing one is very slight. I have another 29er with a set of DT swiss wheels that I've been hitting even burlier terrain and doing some 3 to 4 foot drops and big rocky singletrack rides with and the wheels are staying as true as the day I bought the bike. My point is: don't worry about the incredibly slight chance of tacoing a wheel out there. It can happen, sure, but after thousands of miles on singletrack and unpaved roads of all conditions, I can safely say it's not even something I worry about for a split-second.

I currently ride a Moots Mooto-X YBB (1" soft-tail 29er), a Kona Unit-29 (singlespeed 29er), and a Specialized Stumpjumper 29er (full-suspension 29er). In the process of converting the Moots into a touring bike by switching from hydro disc brakes to mechanicals, getting rack eyelets installed, and swapping out the fancy XTR components for something a bit less fragile.

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