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The note posted by jhhoover only pertains to the 2014 (or earlier) versions of Southern Tier Section 1. That section was updated in the fall of 2019 and we adjusted the route to use SR 98 and go through Calexico. SR 98 does have shoulders but they diminish to closer you get to Calexico.
Long term bridge outages on S80 and alternate route S29 have closed both these routes to thru traffic.  (The S80 bridge is located near the "S80" label on the map.  The S29 bridge is located where the blue line stream crosses S29 just south of I8.) Hence, the longest segment of I8 shown on Section 1 Map 4 is open to bicycles. Although much of the open segment on S80 on Section 1 Map 4 is very rough.  CA98 east of S29 essentially has no shoulder and has significant truck traffic.
Classifieds / For Sale: *NEW* Brooks B17 saddle
« Last post by emilanak on December 11, 2019, 10:59:17 am »
This Brooks Standard B17 saddle came stock on the new bike I just purchased, but I prefer to use a different saddle. It is brand new, never used or adjusted. The asking price is $100 plus shipping (determined based on buyer's zip code). Shipping from Lancaster, PA. Please email me if interested. Thanks!
General Discussion / Re: Traffic in Yellowstone
« Last post by hikerjer on December 11, 2019, 10:37:54 am »
Same here.  While I'm open to an occasional motel/hotels, its rare and has to under special circumstances - illness, exhaustion, absolutely prolonged lousy weather, safety, etc. Besides, I love the feeling of freedom and spontaneity of camping  and I guess I sort of like the reverse type of elitism it gives me. You know, the feeling that I'm somehow superior to those poor folks enclosed in the steel and glass of their in RVs. Besides, I'm kind of cheap. Probably not a correct attitude, but there it' is for the right or wrong and I sort of do enjoy it. Apologies the RVers out there.  I know you're good people, for the most part.  Just please watch your mirrors when passing us cyclists.:P
General Discussion / Re: Using a Bump Box while biking
« Last post by staehpj1 on December 11, 2019, 08:59:57 am »
I have been fortunate enough to have never needed to have to wait for parts to be shipped to me, but it certainly could happen.  It has happened to others that I have either ridden with or met on the road.  One guy needed some proprietary parts that were peculiar to his bike.  Another needed a fork after dropping a wheel into a monster pot hole and none that fit his bike was available.  He called all the shops within a couple hundred miles and then ordered one.  When I met him he was waiting for delivery.

Many of us may never need to rely on having parts shipped, but to think it could never happen is naive in my opinion.  Things can and do break and some things may not be available where you are without ordering and having them shipped.  Any part can fail and you can't carry them all.  So when/if it breaks somewhere that a replacement isn't available waiting for one to be shipped may be the best or only reasonable option.

Some folks may need to have medications or other necessities shipped to them for one reason or another.  I never have, but as I get older I guess that possibility gets more likely.  I have only had things shipped from home for pure convenience, but never had to wait around for them and getting a package from home has been pretty nice the few times I have done it.

When I have done the bump box thing, it was way more trouble than it was worth.
General Discussion / Re: Using a Bump Box while biking
« Last post by BikeliciousBabe on December 11, 2019, 08:08:10 am »
A guy on my cross country trip basically trashed two wheels with one monster pothole. Fortunately, we were close enough to a city with a good LBS. He was able to limp there the next day. (We split up his group gear.) The shop was able to replace both wheels. Guess he should have been carrying an extra wheelset?
General Discussion / Re: Traffic in Yellowstone
« Last post by staehpj1 on December 11, 2019, 05:09:10 am »
In addition, the National Park Service used to have caps on concession prices.
Rooms/cabins that used to cost $175 per night are now north of $400.
It had not occurred to me to address lodging prices, I had just assumed Scott would be camping in the hiker/biker sites, a bad assumption maybe.  Being a bit of a cheapskate, I can't imagine paying $400 per night especially on a bike tour.  I have a hard time wrapping my head around one night's lodging costing more than my total lodging and campsite fees for the entire 73 days of the Trans America.
General Discussion / Re: Traffic in Yellowstone
« Last post by hikerjer on December 11, 2019, 03:50:58 am »
Gotta weigh in on this one. I live in Billings and have ridden your route, esp the Beartooth Pass, on numerous occasions.  First, concerning Yellowstone. I've ridden just about every road in the park and while they aren't great, they are certainly doable. As has been mentioned, much depends on your timing. After Labor Day would be best but the weather can be iffy the later the season gets.You just don't know but I'd bet on the good side. Weekends and mid-day are not the best but I've ridden during those times without much trouble but I have a fairly high tolerance for traffic. You don't say if you're camping or not but both Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Park campgrounds have hiker/biker campsites which run $5-7 dollars and there is always room. The Lamar Valley is, ideed, beautiful. I wouldn't let the negative vibes deter from the ride.  Now the Beartooth Pass. One of my favorite rides and like you, I'm an old retired guy but still try to the ride pass once every summer although I didn't make it last summer for some reason I'm not sure of. I've crossed it twice fully loaded on my touring bike and numerous times on my road bike. Guess I have to disagree with the previous post about the Beartooth Pass being particularly brutal. High, yes. Hard, yes.  Long, yes but brutal depends on you and the situation I guess.  We all have different experiences. I've ridden far worse. The Lost Coast of California comes to mind.  The grade on the Beartooth Highway is rarely more than 6% and there are plenty of places to pull over and rest amid outstanding scenery. Slow and not particularly heavy traffic and good shoulders for the most part. Of course, at that elevation, weather is everything and I mean everything. On both of my tours across the pass I've lucked out and had great weather but I've been up there when it was absolutely miserable. As you probably know, the pass is almost 11,000 ft and above timberline muchof the way so there is absolutely nothing to hide behind if the weather goes south. It can be horribly miserable and even downright dangerous so if there is any hint of sketchy weather wait it out in Red Lodge (great little town) or plan an alternative route, perhaps through Cody, WY and the east entrance to the park where the elevation is not so great and it's still gorgeous riding along the Shoshone River. Also, the advice about altitude sickness is worth considering. I've seen it disable really fit riders and hikers at lower elevations than the Beartooths. Might be another reason to spend a day in Red Lodge to acclimate a bit. Anyway, for what's it's worth, that's my opinion.

If you'd like, shoot me a PM and we can discuss it in greater detail. I may even be able to help you out when you get into Billings.  Are you flying in?  Help you out - that is if I'm around.   My tentative plans have me on my own tour around then.  But you never know.

Best of luck and go for it.
General Discussion / Re: Traffic in Yellowstone
« Last post by big blue cat on December 10, 2019, 05:06:24 pm »
Yes you are correct about 2 of 3 things. I am from the Louisville area & i do have lots of touring experience but I am retired & loving the heck out of it. I have looked into Cody & you're right about the $$$$$. I really like the Yellowstone area. I have been Beartooth but I didn't go through Yellowstone.
General Discussion / Re: Traffic in Yellowstone
« Last post by jamawani on December 10, 2019, 09:17:28 am »
Scott -

Based on your previous posts I'm going to guess that you are from Louisville and are close to retirement age.
Also, that you have experience with tours or a week or two.
Plus, camping or motels??
All are important given the route you suggested.

I have lived in Wyoming since 1990.
I have biked every roadway in Yellowstone many times - most recently this past summer.
I've also biked all of the approaches. Once lived in Jackson in the 1990s.


The Beartooth Highway from Billings into Yellowstone is brutal.
Coming from near sea-level would make it extra tough with risk of altitude sickness.
With prevailing winds southerly and westerly - the opposite direction may be better.
Also, ending in Cody rather than Billings. (Yeah, limited air service and more $$.)
Compare the downhill profiles heading east on US 212 vs. Hwy 296.
On the Beartooth you would be crunching brakes - on Hwy 296 you can fly.
Both have serious climbing - best left to the end of a trip.

Jackson is easy to fly into with excellent services in town to prep for a bike trip.
Excellent bike trail from Jackson to Jenny Lake.
Hiker/biker camping in Grand Teton and Yellowstone - but these close during Sept.
Major work n the highway between the two parks - nasty, gravel surface summer of 2019.

Northbound, the South Entrance Road in Yellowstone involves a big climb with no shoulders.
This should be attempted only in the early morning or evening when traffic is lighter.
West Thumb - Lake Road is lovely with shoulders. Make sure to take Gull Point Rd.
Lake - Canyon Road is terrible, scenic but terrible. No shoulders, broken pavement edges, drop-offs.
Gorgeous views and incredible wildlife. Worth it, but challenging.
North Rim Drive at Canyon is a zoo with cars and RVs galore. Ugh!
Canyon is one of the best camping/lodging spots with incredible hikes.

Canyon - Tower Road has less traffic but no shoulders and crosses Dunraven Pass.
Sweet 8-mile downhill zoom heading northbound.
The Northeast Entrance Road thru the Lamar Valley is delightful.
It is one of the nicest rides in the park or anywhere.
Consider stopping to hike out on the Lamar River Trail.

Labor Day is late next year - Sept. 7th.
The earlier you ride in Sept., the better the weather.
Also, services close soon after Labor Day throughout Yellowstone.


25 years ago, September used to be a great time to cycle in Yellowstone.
Beautiful time of year - far less traffic. Crisp - maybe with a dusting of snow.
Not so anymore.  It's almost as busy as summer with reduced services.
So it can be harder to find camping and/or lodging in Sept. now.
And traffic is almost as intense.

In addition, the National Park Service used to have caps on concession prices.
Rooms/cabins that used to cost $175 per night are now north of $400.

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