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I think it is a better route.
Absolutely empty - maybe one car per hour.
Logging trucks could be an issue if active logging is taking place.
Trego has a nice little cafe.

How empty was it for me?
I decided to change my pants in the middle of the road.
With zero worries that anybody would come along.
Of course, there are also zero services.
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General Discussion / Re: Picking up the Trans America from DC
« Last post by rwinot25 on June 09, 2023, 06:38:21 pm »
follow the Atlantic coast route # 3 south from D.C to the intersection of the Trans Am outside of Richmond VA.
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Routes / Northen Tier - Jennings to Trego (section 2 - Montana) shortcut ?
« Last post by mcw15 on June 09, 2023, 06:09:44 pm »
Hello!
Did anyone tried to bike on the Lake Creek road (NF48)?
it cuts of around 20 miles and about 500ft and skips Eureka, trying to not do 100+ miles day.

thanks for the insights!
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General Discussion / Re: cost per day to tour
« Last post by froze on June 09, 2023, 05:15:01 pm »
In general it costs about as little or as much as you have to spend for it.  In winter 1984-85, two of us had 66 days on the road, from Florida to San Diego.  Cycling 100% of the distance.  The actual days in the saddle were 54.  We did a huge loop around south Florida, down to the Keys, and back to Stuart before commencing the trip to California.  That is part of the 66.  All costs, including the drive-away car to return were about $1600.00. 

Do you realize that trip you're talking about was almost 40 years ago?  That same trip today would cost you $4,672, that's almost $71 a day for a 66 day trip if you include the rental car.
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I too would be cautious coming up suddenly on three pit bulldogs lurking in the road.  These dogs have a bad reputation for viciousness, very strong jaws and not letting go.  It is said they are actually as gentle as a lamb.   The ferocious ones are trained to be that way.  Like lawyers, it is the 95 % that give all the others a bad name.  I probably would have turned around at the sight of them, and looked for another way.

Except not all Pits are gentle as little lambs, there is a reason why homeowners insurance companies won't insure a home with Pits.  I'm a landlord, and my commercial policy on the buildings won't allow me to rent to anyone with a Pit.  There are a few other dogs they won't allow either.  This reputation Pits have is documented by claims at insurance companies which is why they don't want them on the property.

My mom had a Pit and it was gentle as a lamb, but others are not.  So, while 5% (no documented percentage available, but let's use that since that example was given) other breeds will be less than .01%, so that is why insurance companies don't want that breed as well as a few others.  I only accept small dogs, and they have to show renters insurance in case of a liability issue, plus pay $20 a month extra which effectively discourages most of my renters from having a dog or a cat, which I do not allow cats at all.

The other dogs insurance companies don't like are Chows, Rotts, Doby's, Presa Canarios, and even German Shepherds.  Some other insurance companies will get even pickier and they add another 5 dog breeds to that list, Great Danes, Akitas, Siberian Husky, and wolf hybrids.  But if you are willing to pay a higher premium you can find insurance companies that will accept any dog, but I'm trying to keep my premiums, thus expenses, low.


I had no idea about dogs and insurance premiums.  Instinctively, it does make a lot of sense.  I mean, who wants to be in a place populated by dogs half the size of a horse, and animals known for deadly attacks?  You want to live in a safe place, not return to the jungle. It is the same reasoning that prevents renting to some kinds of people.  Is it appropriate to move a repeat recidivist offender who is in and out of prison next door to a family with children?  It is not a good idea because, like some dogs, they raise the possibility of harm to others.

I do background checks on all would-be renters, but laws in Indiana are such that a convicted child molester is required to tell landlords of their status because if there are families living in an apartment the molester cannot be there or face being arrested.  There are special places these people can go where they're not around kids and they must register wherever they live, I have a special place I would like to see those people go live, but the law would frown on me taking them there...

Even if after doing a background check and they check out ok, move in, then suddenly are doing illegal activities, here in Indiana, once the person is arrested, I can go to court and get an emergency 7 day eviction.  One of the buildings I bought had such a tenant, thankfully he got arrested, and I evicted him, more thankfully he accepted Christ into his heart at a later date, but I would still not rent to him because of the damage he did when he left and has never paid for those damages, but he has been straight and legal now for the last 12 years and to me that's more important than paying me back for the damages.

Also here in Indiana, there is what is called Section 8 housing, these places take poor people and felons, I will not convert any of my places to Section 8 even though I would probably make more money, and guaranteed payment.

I was in another line of business for over 25 years before becoming a landlord, that line of business required that I be a quick and accurate study of people, and due to that experience I know when someone is not going to be a good renter, and all the people that I have rented to have never given me an ounce of problems.  Landlords are not supposed to not rent to someone because they think that person may be bad, but there are loopholes we use to get around that.

The one thing I forgot to mention is that a renter who has a dog must also pay a $100 security deposit that is non-refundable, on top of the $20 a month and renters insurance.  So far I haven't run into any issues with some strange dog, they do have to tell me the type of dog due to my insurance company's restrictions so I can give them a thumbs up or down.  If I ever do run into a problem like someone gets a dog and doesn't tell me the monthly fee will be double!  That would probably make them move out, which would be fine with me.
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General Discussion / Re: Picking up the Trans America from DC
« Last post by Pat Lamb on June 09, 2023, 04:50:03 pm »
I would suggest taking the W&OD rail trail to Purcellville, Virginia. From Purcellville it is about a thirty-five mile distance to Front Royal, VA, the northern end of the Skyline Drive. You would need to come up with your own route between Purcellville and Front Royal, but there are plenty of tracks on sights such as Ride With GPS where people have ridden between the two.

In Front Royal you can take the Skyline Drive through Shenandoah National Park, a distance of 105 miles. The southern end of the Skyline Drives is the northern terminus of the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Trans-America trail intersects the Blue Ridge Parkway there at Afton, Va.

This is the route I would take, but it seems like O.P. is trying to avoid the Appalachians.  Having grown up as a young boy in southwest Virginia, I can't figure out why anyone would do that.  :) 
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General Discussion / Re: Picking up the Trans America from DC
« Last post by DanE on June 09, 2023, 01:49:38 pm »
I would suggest taking the W&OD rail trail to Purcellville, Virginia. From Purcellville it is about a thirty-five mile distance to Front Royal, VA, the northern end of the Skyline Drive. You would need to come up with your own route between Purcellville and Front Royal, but there are plenty of tracks on sights such as Ride With GPS where people have ridden between the two.

In Front Royal you can take the Skyline Drive through Shenandoah National Park, a distance of 105 miles. The southern end of the Skyline Drives is the northern terminus of the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Trans-America trail intersects the Blue Ridge Parkway there at Afton, Va.
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The bridge is supposed to be finished in next month. I have a call into the OK DOT to give me an update and to ask about riding on I-40. I'll post when I get answers, though our detour avoids the interstate so I suspect bicyclists aren't allowed on it.
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General Discussion / Re: cost per day to tour
« Last post by BikeliciousBabe on June 09, 2023, 09:35:51 am »
(Variables - area of the country, population density, food preferences, calories burned/aomount of food consumed, grocery vs. cafe vs. restaurant, camping vs. hotel, etc....)

Most recent - rural, 8000 kcal/d, grocery plus one meal a day in a cafe, one motel a week.

~$60/day.

Yep. Geography alone can greatly affect the price.  When I was coming down the Atlantic Coast a couple of years ago, the KOA in Cuddebackville, NY wanted close to $110 for a campsite. I kid you not. Got a site at the campground sightly off route, but that was even $35 with a cash discount.

But it's not just in the east.  A site at a MT state park was $18 in 2019 for residents.  $28 for non-residents.  $10 more if you made a reservation.  And a shower was another $3. Some federal campground have been raising prices as well. For example, a BLM place along the Big Hole River in Divide, MT that I have stayed at a few times used to be $5.  Now, it's $10.
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Dear all,

as I'm scheduled for a ride through ACA Adirondack Park Loop and ACA Green Mountains Loop starting the Monday after next I wanted to check back if you have any news on the current situation in terms of air quality and if the wildfires up north are making the region unrideable?

I guess strong winds and/or rain would have an extremely positive effect on the current situation (air wise) so therefore I'm currently sticking to the planed route;

Happy for any updates.

Safe rides and thanks a lot,
Peter
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