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General Discussion / Re: How much water to carry?
« Last post by davidbonn on April 03, 2024, 11:00:33 pm »
I'd work backwards to figure out how much water to carry.

A reasonable rule of thumb is that over the course of a hard day's ride, on the average you'll need to drink about 4 liters of water.  If it is particularly hot or dry or at higher elevations you might drink more.  Then figure out where you can get water over the course of your day's ride and you can calculate, roughly, how much water you'd need to carry on any segment.

If you have to camp someplace without a good water supply a very rough rule of thumb is that each meal will take 1 liter of water per person.  That's both to prepare the meal and do a basic clean of your dishes afterwards.

The above figures are fairly generous but good rules of thumb for planning purposes.  With experience you might learn you can get away with less water or you might discover you need more.

Most trips I can easily get away with two or three 24oz (0.75 liter) bottles.

On some very dry trips and very dry sections I might carry two 64oz (2 liter) bottles on the front fork cages.  There are places in the American Southwest (and even in parts of SE Oregon and S Idaho) where that wouldn't be enough, and you might be looking at 50-75 miles between safe water sources.
General Discussion / Re: GDMBR cell phone company ?
« Last post by Noosa_nomad on April 03, 2024, 05:31:04 pm »
Thank you for the advice. I will be stopping at every opportunity. My entry permit is for 90 days and I intend to make full use of it. At 71 I won’t be knocking out centuries every day😂
The rustling of tall grass.  Birds.  Especially the screech of a hawk overhead.  Cows mooing in the distance.  At night in the tent, the sound of owls.  Had a fine minute conversation with one on a limb right above my tent a few years ago.  Neither of us understood what the other was hooting about.
General Discussion / Re: How much water to carry?
« Last post by BikeliciousBabe on April 03, 2024, 05:23:24 pm »
That sounds like it should be sufficient.  I use two 25 oz. bottles and a 40 oz. CamelBak.  Every once in a while, I will fill an extra bottle, such as a Gator Ade bottle, with water for a long, hard (and possibly hot) stretch.

Be on the lookout for potential water sources, like schools, parks and places like USFS campgrounds along the day's route.  One time we even stopped at a private campground and asked to fill out bottles.  The person working the office was happy to let us.  On the Northern Tier, we stopped in a couple of bar/restaurants for water and were even offered ice.  Topping off the bottles just in case can't really hurt.
General Discussion / Re: GDMBR cell phone company ?
« Last post by BikeliciousBabe on April 03, 2024, 05:13:20 pm »
Thank you. As long as i can get a signal near towns I’ll be fine. For everywhere else I’ll rely on the in-reach.
That might not always be the case.  For example, I remember being in Wise River, MT, which is on the GDMBR and has a couple of restaurants, a small country store, a school and even a post office.  Verizon did not have coverage there.  Maybe things have changed.  Also, you may get a weak signal in places that will allow text messages (sans photos) to (eventually) get though, but not calls.

BTW...Stop into the Wise River Club before heading up the climb.  Good food.  Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top fame recently became a co-owner along with Tim Montana.  Don't know if Gibbons spends much time there.
Gear Talk / Re: What's your rain riding plan?
« Last post by neilbrew on April 03, 2024, 02:54:12 pm »
"...if you ride in the rain you're going to get wet and that the goal is not so much to stay dry, but to stay warm. If a fabric is truly waterproof, the rain may not penetrate, but you're going to be equally wet from the perspiration you generate."

That's the tricky balance, isn't it? The rain gear must have physical ventilation or you'll drown from your own sweat. No doubt the breathable fabrics help, but in my experience, it doesn't breathe enough for me. Irregardless of the air temperature, I have such an internal temperature difference when riding compared to standing around that actual underarm and back openings are a requirement for me.

davidbonn, I agree, I've got a similar plan to air out wet items outside of the panniers the next day after a soaking....I expect there to be something in the on-bike "drying rack" rotation every day. Also, a wet tent will be in a pannier with other wet things, and dry things with dry things in other panniers. I neglected to mention in my original post that I did try a Frogg Toggs rain suit, however, I found the material too fragile for riding and the cut was more appropriate for parachuting rather than riding, so I abandoned that idea.

Great input all, keep it coming!
General Discussion / Re: How much water to carry?
« Last post by Westinghouse on April 03, 2024, 02:15:28 pm »
For road cycling and long distance touring through towns, two 24 oz bottles of water are sufficient because service areas are so numerous.  None of my cycling (36,000 miles through 19 countries) was all that  remote. 99.9 % roadway cycling. Remote raises questions.  How remote?  How long in remote?  Are there water sources you know about there? The more sources of food and water available to you constantly, the less you need to carry, and that is one way of reducing weight.
General Discussion / Re: GDMBR cell phone company ?
« Last post by Westinghouse on April 03, 2024, 02:05:19 pm »
My input is probably known to just about everybody, except me.  Only from reading about the GDMBR I think there are areas where phone connections are  unavailable.  I bicycle toured the wide world without a cell phone.  It should not be a problem, but one never knows what emergency might arise.
Gear Talk / Re: What's your rain riding plan?
« Last post by John Nelson on April 03, 2024, 11:26:30 am »
On tour, I ride regardless of weather. For me, riding in the rain is no worse than sitting around all day.
Gear Talk / Re: What's your rain riding plan?
« Last post by davidbonn on April 03, 2024, 10:20:29 am »
No matter what waterproof/breathable technology you use in your clothing, once the outer fabric wets out it will no longer breathe.  And in any event if water is beading up on the fabric the clothing will not breathe through the water droplets.  None of these fabrics will perform very well when dirty, and if you are realistic on journey they will be dirty more often than not.

Baggy and loose fitting raingear will be somewhat more comfortable and less steamy than tight fitting shells.  And ventilation options are very important.

I really dislike rain pants.  One reason is that even when equipped with side zippers they vent poorly.  Side zippers are also a major and likely failure point.  The other is for such an expensive clothing item they are astonishingly easy to pulverize on an adventure.
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