Looking for Rain Pants

[dkoloko]

So you are saying that you can have waterproof and breathable?  I guess that depends on how much you sweat and how hard you are exercising.   My experience has been and remains that waterproof and breathable fabrics are never breathable enough that I am not wet with sweat when wearing them while riding at my usual pace.

This is an example of what I mean by "old". It is almost invariable that someone in these conversations will begin, "I have never found a...that...or words to that effect.

[staehpj1]

So you are saying that you can have waterproof and breathable?  I guess that depends on how much you sweat and how hard you are exercising.   My experience has been and remains that waterproof and breathable fabrics are never breathable enough that I am not wet with sweat when wearing them while riding at my usual pace.

This is an example of what I mean by "old". It is almost invariable that someone in these conversations will begin, "I have never found a...that...or words to that effect.

Perhaps that is because they have actually tried recent offerings in waterproof breathable garments and not found them especially beneficial for their particular usage.  It seems to me that is useful information.  As is the fact that they apparently work well for some folks in their usage.

[SlowAndSlower]

  It seems to me that is useful information.  As is the fact that they apparently work well for some folks in their usage.

That is useful information, but not in the context of the OP quest. Opinionated responses to posts, especially when some one is seeking sources and not opinions,  just does not kick the can down the can down the road much.

[Pat Lamb]

  It seems to me that is useful information.  As is the fact that they apparently work well for some folks in their usage.

That is useful information, but not in the context of the OP quest. Opinionated responses to posts, especially when some one is seeking sources and not opinions,  just does not kick the can down the can down the road much.

Given the context of the thread (OP was asking for something I, and apparently others, thought was impossible); OP's irate response to the opinion it didn't exist; and OP's lack of response when I asked what he'd found -- I think the answer to the original question is that waterproof and breathable rain pants still don't exist!  That, IMHO, is not kicking the can down the road, it's a quasi-definitive response.  "No" may not be the answer that was sought, but it's helpful if the questioner can accept it.

[SlowAndSlower]

I think the answer to the original question is that waterproof and breathable rain pants still don't exist!  That, IMHO, is not kicking the can down the road, it's a quasi-definitive response.  "No" may not be the answer that was sought, but it's helpful if the questioner can accept it.

Clearly my point. The can didn't move. Your opinion is it doesn't exist but that does not mean it does not exist. So where did that get us? BTW I don't believe it exist either but I don't know that as a fact so I remained silent on the issue.

[staehpj1]

I think the answer to the original question is that waterproof and breathable rain pants still don't exist!  That, IMHO, is not kicking the can down the road, it's a quasi-definitive response.  "No" may not be the answer that was sought, but it's helpful if the questioner can accept it.

Clearly my point. The can didn't move. Your opinion is it doesn't exist but that does not mean it does not exist. So where did that get us? BTW I don't believe it exist either but I don't know that as a fact so I remained silent on the issue.

The can doesn't necessarily have to move for the post to be of use.  My response was written not so much for the OP, but for the new tourist who might stumble upon the thread.  If no one questions a premise they are likely to take it at face value.  I think it is of use for them to read that while some think waterproof breathable stuff is the greatest thing since sliced bread others find it to not work well at all in their usage of it.

I don't want to win over those who are happy with it, but if I were new to the subject, I'd want to know that there is not widespread agreement.

[johnsondasw]

Gore-tex has always worked very well for me.  Event fabrics have always worked well.  Patagonia's new line of waterproof-breatheable works too.  I have used all of these hiking, climbing, and biking on hard, sweaty outings in very wet conditions and they worked.  I also sweat profusely, FWIW.