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Offline lars714

Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« on: March 23, 2015, 06:19:03 pm »
Hello people of the forum.

This summer starting at the end of June me and two of my close friends were going to ride from NYC to FL, following the Atlantic Coast route. Recently our third man dropped out, we need three or more people to make this trip happen. And right now the trip is off.

Not many people are willing to take time out of their jobs and summers to ride a bike over 1300 miles. Thats why I have reached out to the forum, everyone here shares the same love and passion for bicycle touring. We have spent countless hours preparing and planning for this trip and now it might not happen.

Anybody considering or willing to join us contact me at larsenhawk17@gmail.com. If you need more information contact me as well.

There is no work to be done except buy your own gear and ride with us. We have done all the heavy lifting and desperately need someone to make this trip happen for us.   

All the best,
      Lars714

Offline John Nettles

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Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2015, 07:32:15 pm »
Lars,

While this trip is not for me (I have already done it), I am curious as to why you "must" have 3 people to go?  I did it solo and many more cyclists do it solo or with just 1 other person than with 2+ persons.

Hope you can find a buddy, John

Offline staehpj1

Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 05:29:56 am »
I am curious as to why you "must" have 3 people to go?  I did it solo and many more cyclists do it solo or with just 1 other person than with 2+ persons.
That made me wonder as well.  I always figured one was a good minimum number to go :)

I can think of two reasons why three might be his minimum.  One is that they want to split expenses three ways.  Given that this tends to be a route with expensive camping, that could be a good reason.  The other reason that comes to mind would be if it was a guided trip that had a minumum.

Lars,  I hope you get to go and have a great trip.

Offline lars714

Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 09:46:38 am »
The reason we need a minimum of three people is because we are two high school students. Our parents don't feel it is safe traveling in a pair in case something goes wrong, the only way they will let us go is if there are 3+ people.

I am open to any suggestions, tips and alternatives. This trip has special meaning to us, we have spent over a year planning and now we might not go due to an additional rider.

Anyone at all that has the slightest interest, please reach out.

All the Best,
   Lars714

Offline John Nelson

Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 10:08:14 am »
There are various posts on this site about safety. Try to find some of them and show them to your parents. As you have said, the chances of finding a stranger to accompany you are slim (and a stranger may introduce as many risks as it mitigates), so your chances will likely be better to either convince your parents that you will be okay (and you will, of course) or to find another friend to go. I wish you the best of luck. Everybody your age should have an adventure like this.

To improve your chances of finding someone, however, you might provide more details of your plan. How many miles do you plan to do in a day? What and where do you plan to eat? Where do you plan to sleep? Do you like to start early or late in the day? Quit early or late? Stop frequently during the day to see and/or do things, or keep moving? How fast (MPH) do you plan to ride? Are you traveling heavy or light? How do you plan to get home from the end?

BTW, I've never heard anybody previously express that 3+ makes you safer. Interesting idea.

Offline John Nettles

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Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 10:37:59 am »
Lars,

I can empathize.  My first "long" trip was only a month but I was 15 and my parents made (rightfully) me go with an older person.  Since I wasn't murdered, robbed, and/or raped, my parents let me go on bigger trips.

When I was 17 and the summer before my Senior year in high school, I wanted to do the TransAm.  My parents decided I had to have others to go with me.  I arranged through BikeCentennial (ACA's predecessor)  to ride with two others.  We took off and in less than 3 days, I knew we were not compatible as one (the oldest @ 25) had misrepresented himself.  I am a meat eater, prefer to ride in the morning and be done by 2pm-3pm, and wanted/needed to ride about 55 miles per day on average so I could be back to school in time in August.  Unfortunately, the oldest was a vegetarian, like to ride in the afternoon until dark, and didn't want to be tied to a schedule/deadline.

After 10 days, I convinced my mom to let me try it myself.  I finished the trip, again without being murdered, robbed, and/or raped, in Lewes, Delaware (I went through DC instead).  Best trip of my life.  Mind you, when I say best, I have 50k+ miles of loaded touring and 36 years experience.  About 1/3 if this was during summer bike rides before I graduated college and started life.  Heck, my Dad is 92 and he still somewhat worries about me. 

To you parents I would say:  If Lars (and the other rider) is truly responsible and mature (at least for his age), he should be fine.  Thousands ride the TransAm every years.  The route is well-established route.  Locals tend to definitely look out after the young, female (not being sexist, just real), and retired.  When I was under 27, I could get help most anywhere, i.e. police would tell me where to camp, look after me while camping, etc.  Between 30 & 50 (I am 50), the help decreases then increases like an inverted  bell curve with 45 being the worst.  Perhaps the locals think what is a fully grown man riding a bicycle and wanting to camp.  He must be a bum.  The retired are thought of as "s/he is just enjoying something.  Great for them".  But I digress.  in today's era of cell phones, it is pretty difficult to be without communication.  Combined with a phone card, make Lars call home every night when possible.  NOTE:  Some nights it just won't be possible due to no cell service and no pay phones available.  But Lars will tell you when he is going out of range, right Lars!.  Finally, to alleive Mom's fears, Lars will carry a satellite tracker so you can track him live (every 10 minutes).  There are two brands, SPOT and InReach.  SPOT is cheaper but InReach is more reliable.  The InReach allows you to text each other also anywhere in the world.  If Lars is NOT responsible and mature for his age, make him wait or go with at least one older (40+) person as they will probably be too tired to get into much trouble.

Lars will occasionally ride with other riders on the TransAm.  Not everyday, but not unusual.

Yes, Lars could get hit by a car and die.  However, that is unlikely.  Especially, if Lars rides conservatively, uses a mirror, and wears a helmet.  The TransAm is old enough so that bikes are expected on certain roads so the locals know to be on the look out.

As an FYI, my daughter and son both have taken solo bicycle trips under age 20.  My son (just turned 21), rode from Jasper, Alberta, to La Paz, Baja California, Mexico, by himself this past late summer/fall.  He was not murdered, robbed, and/or raped.  He was greeted most days with "that is awesome" comments, met the Governor?? of Baja South Department (state), etc.  Yes, I worry about them like any parent should.  But I also know the pluses outweigh the risks of trip.  My wife, a cyclist also, definitely worries when any family member tours, and thus requires me to use the tracker. But she also knows the pluses outweigh the risks. 

Parents, go over to CrazyGuyOnaBike.com and review the 1000s of journals about the TransAm.  Plan on meeting him in a couple of places, i.e. the Yellowstone or near a relative who lives near to the route.

This truly can be a transformational experience for Lars.  He will come back a changed person.  Definitely more fit, but with a quiet sense of accomplishment and appreciation of America and its people.  As I get older, the trips, while meaningful, do not impact me as much.  Perhaps this is due to my extensive travels or with age but regardless, the TransAm is by far my favorite trip.  Should you, or Lars, wish to contact me, feel free.

Best wishes, John

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Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 01:05:18 pm »
The reason we need a minimum of three people is because we are two high school students.

Don't want to get too far off track, but I thought I should mention that some state camping facilities (e.g. , NJ and PA) and even some private ones require at least one person at least 18 years old in a party.

Offline John Nettles

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Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 01:39:55 pm »
Lars, I should mention that while I mentioned the TransAm, the info is the same regardless of the route.  I have done the AC also so was not putting down the AC but strongly prefer the TransAm and feel the TA would arguably be a better route for a first timer.

Sorry if I caused some confusion.  John

Offline Iowagriz

Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 02:15:14 pm »
I can only add that 3 is the perfect number (and old wisdom) for backcountry trips.  1 stays with the injured and 1 goes for help. But on a route with people and cell service within easy reach, I think you could convince the parents you would be ok.  Now if you were riding the Tour Divide it might be a harder discussion as it has more remote areas.  But, unless I am missing something, the AC route will not place you away from people and help, correct? 

Good cell phone, backup battery for it, maybe a SPOT tracker and promised calls or texts each day.  Good luck!

Offline staehpj1

Re: Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2015, 07:50:33 pm »
Kind of an off the wall suggestion maybe, but could you possibly do the Pacific Coast or the Trans America instead.  On the Pacific Coast in Oregon and California, you can camp in hiker biker sites most of the time.  You will almost certainly fall in with a group that you can camp with and maybe ride with.  I was with a large-ish group most nights in camp and we typically planned where to stop the next day.  I probably could have ridden with others every day, but didn't choose to.

Those routes are popular enough that you might be more likely to find someone to officially join your group.

Offline RonK

Need additional Rider or Riders ASAP.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2015, 12:50:12 am »
As a parent myself I couldn't think of a better activity for my son to learn about responsibility, group dynamics, decision-making and risk evaluation (among other things) that are invaluable experiences for a young adult.
To give them some peace of mind, provide them with a detailed itinerary and a regular schedule of contacts. If that's not sufficient, take a Spot tracker or Delorme Inreach as others have suggested, and tell them to put the helicopter away.
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