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indyfabz

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Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2015, 04:07:37 pm »
This sounds terrible but I just cannot do the color.  I figured since I was building the bike I would truly make it mine.  The powder coat company is very well known and has a great reputation.  They do bikes and when speaking to the guy it sounded like he knew exactly what I was talking about.  Im going to call him back, maybe this morning, and make sure he clearly understands.

Do they do Cerakote applications? Back in May I had my custom ti road frame colored with Cerakote. It's a ceramic coating that is allegedly stronger and lighter than paint. Some of the builder's MTB customers have been using it. The colors are matte, but if they are custom blended them with the gloss white you get a sort of pearl finish. The downside is that if you do get a chip you cannot purchase touch up "paint."

The stuff is primarily used to coat firearms, but more and more people have been using it for bikes:

http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/gallery/?category_id=249

This is the bike my builder built for himself last year. The photo doesn't do it justice:

http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/gallery/detail/10744/Cerakote-Custom-Mix-of-H137-Gloss-White-and-H169-Sky-Blue/

Paintbytodd also did my frame.

Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2015, 04:49:23 pm »
Indy that bike is sweet.  I have not asked but it says on their web site that they do ceramic instead of powder coating if you choose to go that way, not sure if it is the same thing.

I just got my frame today.  The blue is not that bad, as a matter of fact nowhere near as bad, but I still want my custom color.  I didn't realize it but my frame comes with the place to mount shifters on the down tube.  I was not planning on putting them there.  Do you guys know if all the Disc Trucker frames come that way?  I guess if I didn't want to mount my shifters there I don't have to.

Oh well, what a pretty frame.  I really appreciate this site and having a means to talk to you guys through this process.  Thanks to everyone for their input.

Offline RonK

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2015, 10:21:54 pm »

I didn't realize it but my frame comes with the place to mount shifters on the down tube.  I was not planning on putting them there.  Do you guys know if all the Disc Trucker frames come that way?  I guess if I didn't want to mount my shifters there I don't have to.
That is where you mount the cable stops, but you could mount downtube shifters there if that was your preference.

Sounds like you haven't thought about shifters yet?
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Offline DaveB

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2015, 10:29:18 pm »
I didn't realize it but my frame comes with the place to mount shifters on the down tube.  I was not planning on putting them there.  Do you guys know if all the Disc Trucker frames come that way?  I guess if I didn't want to mount my shifters there I don't have to.
Those downtube mounting bosses are standard on nearly all Surly road frames.  Both my Cross Check and Pacer also have them. 

They are a feature, not a bug, and you are by no means limited to downtube shifters.  Shimano (and others) make cable housing stops that bolt to these bosses and let you use nearly any type of shifter you wish including brifters, barends, Retroshifts, etc.   Note these strops come in rounded back type for "standard" (1-1/8") diameter downtubes and flat back for larger diameter downtubes.

Also, a pair of these came with every Shimano aftermarket STI sets and most barend sets.  So, many bike dealers have a bunch of these as surplus and will sell them cheaply or even give them to you if you are a good customer.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2015, 10:32:05 pm by DaveB »

Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2015, 10:49:15 pm »
Thanks guys.  I have thought of shifters just haven't made up my mind.  I was thinking of something more up to date but I understand that those systems can be a little tougher to fix in a pinch.  My Di2 system on my Super Six would not be a good fit.  I am going to install the shifters on the down tube, I like that idea.  Since there is a place for them to be mounted it just makes sense.  I don't want bar end, down tube it is.

Offline DaveB

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2015, 09:48:54 am »
Thanks guys.  I have thought of shifters just haven't made up my mind.  I was thinking of something more up to date but I understand that those systems can be a little tougher to fix in a pinch.  My Di2 system on my Super Six would not be a good fit.  I am going to install the shifters on the down tube, I like that idea.  Since there is a place for them to be mounted it just makes sense.  I don't want bar end, down tube it is.
Having ridden quite a lot with downtube shifters in the past, I recommend that you reconsider using them for a touring bike.  They are reliable and precise but about as inconvenient as you can get if you need to shift in a hurry because you got surprised by the terrain.  Barends are better but not by much.  Brifters are, by far, the most convenient shifters but, as you note, can be difficult to impossible to fix if they fail. 

So, an alternative:  Check out  gevenalle.com  (formerly Retroshift).  They make brake lever mounted brackets that come with mounted shift levers (or accept your own downtube levers or barend shift levers) and are available in 9,10 and 11-speed versions and with brake levers for road/cantilever/road disc or V-brake/MTB disc brakes.   These levers also offer a friction option for rear shifting in the unlikely event the indexing is a problem due to damage, etc.   They offer the convenience and rapid accessibility of brifters with the durability and low replacement cost of downtube levers.    I have them on three bikes, two 10-speed and one 8-speed, and for convenience, cost and reliability, would never go back to anything else.



Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2015, 03:32:27 pm »
DaveB thanks.  I really appreciate the insight.  I have never even ridden a bike with shifters on the down tube or the bar ends.  I have not been to crazy about the thougth of bar end shifters, I just dont think I would like them.  I wasnt crazy about the down tube either but I have to admit, at least for me, there is something sexy about that retro look and the simplicity of shifters on the down tube.  It makes perfect sense about what you say and I do beleive that you are correct.  I would love to hear from someone who is using down tube shifters, just another opinion.  Im coming from the Di2 electronic shifting so allof this will be new to me.

I will definately have to check out gevenalle.com.  I am not sure I understand exactly, it's not your explanaion just me.  I am going to you tube them and maybe I can find something there.  Thanks again. 

Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2015, 03:46:28 pm »
DaveB I went and looked at the gevenalle shifters, nice!  I have never seen those before.  Youtube has some good videos showing them in action.  One guy mounted a shifter on the down tube, for the chainrings and then had the one for the rear cogs on the right brake.  Pretty cool.  I am going to do some more research, I like these.

What do i do with the spot on my down tube?  The place for the shifters to mount.  Do I just cap these things?  Thanks for sharing this.

Offline RonK

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2015, 04:23:29 pm »

What do i do with the spot on my down tube?  The place for the shifters to mount.  Do I just cap these things?
As previously posted, you mount the cable stops on them. That is the point where the cable housing ends.
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Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2015, 04:51:27 pm »
Thanks Ron, im an idiot.  I remember someone saying that earlier.  I found a picture of that on the net, thanks.

Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2015, 10:16:29 am »
Ok, ordered the Cane Creek headset, any thoughts on a stem and bars?  I think I want the standard drop bars but not sure what companies to start with.  What I have read tells me that the stem needs to fit to the bars and stem to headset.......obviously.  What are the name of the bars that look like regular old drop bars but the drops kind of flare out a little?  What exactly is there purpose?  I had never seen them until I started building this bike. 

Offline RonK

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2015, 04:22:11 pm »
I think the flared bars you mentioned are probably Salsa Woodchippers. These are intended for MTB's and adventure bikes such as the Salsa Fargo I'm currently building.
I suggest you consider a Nitto Noodle bar or Randonneur bar.
The Noodle bar has slight backwards sweep. I have it on my tourer and find it quite comfortable.
The Randonneur bar has a slight flare to the drops. 
If you do choose Nitto, take care when ordering that you get the right diameter. There are two. Which diameter doesn't much matter as long as it matches the stem.
A Nitto stem would be nice but not essential.
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Offline RussSeaton

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2015, 04:49:14 pm »
Regarding the flared drop handlebars.  Rivendell sells the Nitto bars mentioned.  Velo-Orange also has a few flared handlebars.  A Google search for "Randonneur" handlebars may also turn up flared bars.

Offline fiveonomo

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2015, 05:10:33 pm »
Thanks guys.  Do those bars serve a special purpose or are they just another set of bars?  I guess what I am asking is are they built specifically for a certain riding style?

Offline RonK

Re: Surly LHT/Disc Trucker
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2015, 05:22:48 pm »

Thanks guys.  Do those bars serve a special purpose or are they just another set of bars?  I guess what I am asking is are they built specifically for a certain riding style?
They are built for a frame with a short top tube and a long head tube such as the Fargo
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