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Offline PeteJack

66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:40:37 pm »
This happened to me in Tulsa on 11th St, on the ACA route, at 1 in the afternoon. I was rear ended by a van. 11th St starts off as rural and ends up a mad rush with no bike lane or shoulder.


I ended up in the ER and it finished my tour. Try and find an alternate to 11th St.The guy at Lees Bikes who helped me ship my bike back said he wouldn't dream of riding 11th St. I wrote to ACA about it and heard nothing back. So I can't help with an alternate. FYI my injuries were not too bad and it could have been a lot worse.

Offline John Nettles

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2016, 06:07:15 pm »
sorry to hear of your accident.  I live in Tulsa and mostly agree.  You don't say where specifically on 11th but, yes, in some places it is a main road that I would not ride either.  My guess is that you didn't even get to the hardest part based on the picture.  The problem is 11th is Route 66 and does have a lot of neat old Route 66 icons, buildings, and such.  If you go over 1/2 mile to a city road bike route, you miss the majority of it.  Catch-22.

At least you survived westbound Route 66 east of Claremore.  I would not ride that either.

If you are still in Tulsa and need some assistance (place to stay, getting to/from transportation, etc.), feel free to contact me privately.

John

Happy trails and may the wind be at your back!
John

Offline PeteJack

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2016, 07:13:42 pm »
According to my iPhone it was between S. Louisville Ave and S. New haven Ave. And I have to agree with your comment about E of Claremore getting onto 193rd Ave was grim. I thought I'd got the worst over when I'd done that!
« Last Edit: June 07, 2016, 07:28:24 pm by PeteJack »

Offline John Nettles

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2016, 09:29:44 pm »
Yep, the hardest (westbound) is probably between Harvard and the river.  While it sucks you got hit, at least you are fine overall.  Obviously, most major roads in any major town are a lot like this one, i.e. lots of traffic, no shoulder, etc. so I wouldn't overall say 11th Street is the worst I have been on by any means but yes it does suck, especially fully loaded.  Problem is do you follow Route 66 or do you go another safer route which would materially change the route?  My vote would be for a safe route and lots of GPS way points showing where the R66 sites to see are so you can take a side road to them.  Obviously, there are areas they reroute due to safety.

On the positive side, Tulsa is seriously looking at making R66 much more biker friendly, i.e. making it a two lane road with divided bike lanes or something similar.  While that does not help you right now, hopefully they will get it done sooner rather than later.

Again, if you need anything, feel free to contact me.

John
Happy trails and may the wind be at your back!
John

Offline John Nelson

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2016, 12:39:10 am »
Although 11th in Tulsa can be an issue, Manchester in St. Louis is much, much worse. In spots along 11th, I either rode on the sidewalk or took the lane, depending on the situation.

Offline PeteJack

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2016, 08:54:01 am »
Although 11th in Tulsa can be an issue, Manchester in St. Louis is much, much worse. In spots along 11th, I either rode on the sidewalk or took the lane, depending on the situation.
That's what I should have done John. I agree with you that Manchester was bad. The ACA route through Joplin MO  was crummy too especially as there is the Frisco Greenway bike path that takes you to within a couple of blocks of the match line and avoids all the traffic, no need for insets or anything. I found that with my iPhone after following Historic 66 signs got me off route, no such luck in Tulsa.

Offline Nick_Bonner

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2016, 10:06:20 pm »
A friend of mine got rear ended on 66. Ended his tour too


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Offline PeteJack

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2016, 10:16:01 pm »
A friend of mine got rear ended on 66. Ended his tour too


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Whereabouts Nick? I'm thinking of going back and finishing it but some places e.g. OK City and Amarillo have me looking for a way round them

Offline Nick_Bonner

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2016, 10:59:02 pm »
Texas I think?


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Offline giantcycle99

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2017, 07:25:27 am »
Pete, I wonder if you have re started your route 66 tour?  I have some info, for riding Route 66 in and out of OKC, in both directions here:  http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/yesthereiscampingatthecitylake

I live in OKC, and I would not ride the AC route in to Edmond, nor in to OKC.

However, I just had a Route 66 rider, and saw the new map for the Oklahoma section, and thankfully Adventure Cycling has changed the route in and out of Edmond, on on the east side. 

I know of NO ONE that would ride on 2nd street in Edmond, and the older maps, from 2015 brings you in to Edmond from the east.

Please, look at the date on your maps, and get the addendum for this section!  It is better, but still not my choice... but you would miss some Route 66 stuff on my route.

Moni

Offline PeteJack

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2017, 08:26:42 pm »
Thanks Moni.

I'm planning on restarting my ride from Tulsa on May 1 and plan on taking your better route, the one on Crazyguy, through OKC I like the idea of quiet roads. I'd rather stay in one piece than be a 66 purist. In fact the guys at Phat Tire Bike in Tulsa have a safer way for me to get through there that I plan on using.

I would still like to visit the National Memorial. Will that be difficult?

Offline giantcycle99

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2017, 07:43:32 am »
Pete, I can route you there.  I ride all over OKC all the time.  It will make a HUGE difference what time of day, and weekend or not.
Traffic will be heavy during "rush hour".  Weekend is BEST, with very light traffic that close to down town.

The Memorial is between Robinson on the east, and Harvey on the west.  NW 5th street used to go through between Robinson and Harvey, before the bombing.  That is now the area for the Memorial.

If you try this on a Sunday morning for instance, you can ride down Classen Blvd. till 13th street.  Go east on 13th to Robinson.  South on Robinson will take you right to it.  This can also be ridden on Harvey, I just prefer riding south as well as north on Robinson.

If you come at other times, Classen can be busy.  It is a 6 lane road, with 3 going in each direction (north south).  But it will take you by several route 66 icons.  including this while going north bound:   Not sure, how the image attachment works, this is my first try

You may be better off going down Walker at other times, but it is hillier.  Again, go to about 13th, then over to either Harvey or Robinson to the Memorial.

Shartel would also be a good option, it will bring you through the Paseo district.  Very artsy fartsy :)  but a bit rough as far as road surface.

I am on warm showers.

Moni


Offline Manilishi

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2017, 01:25:10 am »
Hi- I agree Tulsa is dangerous to ride I'm currently westbound 66 arrived Tulsa this evening but reason I'm posting is I was pulled over while on the ACA route in Verdegris Oklahoma ( the town east of the blue whale of catoosa) by Verdigris police department.  I was wearing helmet, riding with traffic , close to the white line, riding fully loaded. I pulled off onto the shoulder when I was pulled over and laid my bike on its panniers. The officer came up and told me he had received calls about me riding in traffic. He said the town attorney had nearly run me over. I kept my mouth shut and continued to listen. He told me that section of the road has no shoulder but there was a shoulder the rest of the way out of town to the bridge. I continued to listen and kept my mouth shut. He told me in Oklahoma A bicycle is required to have a red flashing light going he said something about I should have a white light on the front. At this point I pointed to my red blinky light and said I have one but I don't use it during the day I wasn't aware I needed to - I have a headlight for the front it's just not on there now. Then he asked me where I was from where I was going and where I started so I told him and showed him the ACA map and pointed to where we were on the map. He asked for my ID and told me to sit tight. I turned on my blinky light and took a seat on the ground and just sat there while he ran my ID. He came back shortly and told me I was good to go. I took off down the shoulder this time and when I got to the blue whale of catoosa I called my girlfriend and had her look up the bicycle laws in Oklahoma- sure enough it was as I figured- no law about daytime lights in fact a red reflector is sufficient and can be supplemented with a red illuminated light also Oklahoma gives full rights to the Lane - but ride as close as safe to the white line at the edge of the lane. Oklahoma also gives you a 3 ft safety buffer- cars must give you 3 ft. When passing- something my home state (Michigan)does not. I felt like I had to let this incident be known so I posted it here. In case you were wondering I shut off my blinky light once I left his town( I need that for nighttime!!  )  In case you were wondering I'm clean cut freshly shaven wearing clean clothes riding a nice looking bike with four nice clean small matching panniers and nothing on the top of the rack- in short there's no way he mistook me for a homeless guy on a bike either.   Ride safe ! - Jeff Myers

Offline giantcycle99

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2017, 12:36:53 pm »
Hi Jeff

So sorry about that STUPID cop.  There are quite a few here in Oklahoma.  Glad you didn't get any real crap from him.

I am in OKC.  Do you need a place to stay?  I am near 63rd and May.

Moni

Offline Manilishi

Re: 66 in Tulsa is dangerous
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2017, 01:12:31 pm »
PM sent...  :)