Author Topic: Cross Spoking the Rhyno Lite.  (Read 3819 times)

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Offline zerodish

Cross Spoking the Rhyno Lite.
« on: May 14, 2023, 03:31:03 pm »
I built a new wheel using a Rhyno Lite rim but rather than use the spoke holes closest to the flange I used the spoke holes farthest from the flange. This gives the equivalent strength to a flange 5 mm wider. Most rims won't let you do this but the Rhyno uses brass ferrules. Santana Tandems uses a 60mm wide flange compared to a 55mm wide flange on Shimano spline brake hubs. This will make the wheel stronger but there is some disagreement on how much. I would say about 25 percent. I can't see and disadvantage to this design unless you are using very large flanges or very small wheels. Not my design it is at least 100 years old. As usual it will be tested to destruction. No photos I can hardy tell the difference from my old wheel.   

Offline ray b

Re: Cross Spoking the Rhyno Lite.
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2023, 02:02:56 pm »
Your handle, Zerodish, suggests you spend some time building wheels, so I'm looking for education.

If I picture what you are doing, it is not clear to me, how placing spokes at a greater angle to the rim creates a "stronger" build.... I simply picture more lateral stress on the hub flange and for head-in spokes, more stress on the spoke head. A more flexible wheel, perhaps, though I picture an increase in lateral flexibility - not something I personally want in my wheels.

Are you still running 2-4 crossing on your spokes?

100 years old.... I'd love to catch up on this. Do you have a reference?

Ride on.
“A good man always knows his limitations.”

Offline misterflask

Re: Cross Spoking the Rhyno Lite.
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2023, 09:19:29 pm »
I'm all in on this.  Zerodish's approach gives a little more dish on both sides, but it's desperately needed on the drive side with the wide cassette clusters the kids are using these days.
I would think there would be more lateral stability.  Spoke tension between sides should be a little closer.

I've been sticking to offset rims for rear wheels to get some dish on the drive side, but they are getting vanishingly hard to find. 

This is one of those obvious ideas that's only obvious when someone points it out.  Waytogo Zerodish.