Different types of steel frames

[Qeyser]

Hi All,

I'm considering building a bike for loaded, long distance touring.  I'm fairly certain that I'd like a steel frame; I've been looking at the (many) choices out there, and I have some questions about the differences between them.

First: How much difference does the type of steel make in terms of the reliability and durability of a frame?  I don't need the lightest frame, but I do need something that will perform solidly for several thousand miles under a heavy load.  Should I really consider a frame made from fancy air-hardened steel alloys (e.g. reynolds 853), or would a "plain old" cro-moly frame (e.g. reynolds 525/531 or even generic 4130) be more than enough?

Second (a similar question): Do hand-made frames have a real advantage over well-made, mass-produced frames when it comes to reliability and durability?  I know that a Rivendell Atlantis (*sigh*) or a Bruce Gordon would be great for a long, unsupported tour, but a Soma DoubleCross or Surly LHT might also be sufficient -- and much less expensive.

Thanks,

Vince

[driftlessregion]

I can't answer it definitively but my understanding is that 853 is not only lighter but stronger than the venerable 531. You can't go wrong with either. I love the ride of my Waterford RST with 853 and took it on the Northern Tier without problems. There are many good reasons to get a custom frame from these great makers. For me a 54 yr old tall, not-as-flexible-as-I- used-to-be male, getting the custom fit, made just for my needs, was one of the most important reasons for not buying an off the rack bike.

[Beep!Beep!]

Have a steel framed Puegeot Princeton with 700C wheels and is an mtb which has a C.A.D sticker on the frame, well worth looking out for as this means the frame has been designed with a computer so should make for a better frame. Check the welds as rough suggest a bad frame, for me it's the componets not the frame that makes a good bike even my bike has good gearing, racing type wheels plus despite only costing £40 is in good nick. Pick something that has the right components then worry about the frame.